Debrincat to Detroit finally done.
Kubalik, sebrango, conditional 1st and a 4th rnd pick,
4 yrs 7.875 extension
- RyeDog13

Isn't that less than he would have made next year had he stayed in Ottawa and the team got the discount in Arbitration?

Good enough gives Sens 2 1st round picks next year.

Don't know if Kubalick stays or gets traded again.

Hope this does not lead to an over commitment (term) with Tarasenko.

Isn't that less than he would have made next year had he stayed in Ottawa and the team got the discount in Arbitration?
- hemlock34

I think it is pretty close to the exact discount price.

I think it is pretty close to the exact discount price.
- spatso

Surprising he was willing to do that for 4 years. Detroit is getting a hometown discount. I am really curious about what a serious offer from Ottawa would have looked like.

Why wouldn’t yzerman want longer term? Cat will be 29 when he signs his next deal.

Dorion HAS to have something else in the works. I would think Tarasenko.

He needs to flip picks or prospects for something else too (Konecny or Laughton)

Why wouldn’t yzerman want longer term? Cat will be 29 when he signs his next deal.
- Trilla

That was perfect and what I have been saying - 4 year deal, and it's great for both parties - I especially like it for DET

No surprise, but Donovan Sebrango was born in Ottawa.

How can you not be happy with Kubalik? 20 goal scorer at $2.5m. Scored 30 a couple of years ago.

And, I have always thought this was about Dorion trying to protect his long term cap position.

This team will contend with some added depth. I hope we see them add one more strong 3rd line skater who plays a solid defensive game.

How can you not be happy with Kubalik? 20 goal scorer at $2.5m. Scored 30 a couple of years ago.

And, I have always thought this was about Dorion trying to protect his long term cap position.

This team will contend with some added depth. I hope we see them add one more strong 3rd line skater who plays a solid defensive game.
- spatso

Just read that Ottawa has only 5M left, is that true? If so, adios Tarasenko. Kubalik is your 2nd line winger and as you say, let's get a good depth defensive forward.

Well, despite all of the banter in recent days about why a DeBrincat trade won't happen with the Red Wings, we've just gotten word of DeBrincat being traded to the Red Wings.

TO DET
RW DeBrincat, Alex (USA)

TO OTT
LW Kubalik, Dominik (CZE)
LD Sebrango, Donovan (CAN)
1st Round Pick, 2024 (BOS)
4th Round Pick, 2024 (DET)

It's a pretty reasonable return... Yzerman obviously wore DeBrincat down on the 4yr deal, which is objectively a pretty good piece of negotiation. Regardless, Dorion got himself out of a difficult situation, and has a functional secondary roster player plus a 1st and a depth blue line prospect in the process. Kubalik should be able to step into a secondary LW role, with some 2nd unit PP time.

It will be interesting to see if they still pursue Tarasenko, given the more urgent need to bolster the two-way quality of the 3rd line. Given the numbers game on the blue line, there might be an opportunity to use some combination of Brannstrom, Thomson, and Bernard-Docker to add a more established 3rd line winger. It's also not impossible that Dorion could flip Kubalik in the process and sign Tarasenko, if that's the scoring winger he really wants to add.

Solid deal for the Sens here. Now they can maybe get Tarasenko done and move forward more.

Watch the Kubalik played with Kane when he scored 30 quotes to come. We are used to that with Debrincat.

Not a great return. Not awful. Surprised Debrincat signed for under 8 mill per. Canadian taxes suck.

Dorion has money to prove himself to a playoff spot now....and sign Pinto. Not a lot, but some to fine-tune the bottom six.

I won't judge this trade fully until more moves are made.

Now that that is out of the way, if the rumors are true, let's find out "why" or "if" the Senators are talking with Calgary.

A nice little trade for Lindholm could fit well into the top 6 forwards, and move Kubalik to the 3rd line with Pinto and Greig/Joseph/Sokolov.
Maybe offer a selection of Brannstrom, Thomson, Greig, Sokolov, Joseph or include one or two and that 1rst round pick we got from Detroit.
Key would be that we would need to extend Lindholm first, before the trade.


A note on Ottawa's cap space. We could probably add an extra $1 million to our cap spce once Toronto buys out Matt Murray in the 2nd buyout window.

Curious.
In the re-signing of Pinto, a comparable may actually be Kubalik.

Maybe Pinto at a reasonable $2.5 million for 3 years ?

We basically rented Debrincat for a year for a 2nd and got a middle six winger and a lower ranked 1st. I'm happy. Moving on.

Ps...more and more it feels like we Traded for Debrinicat in order to increase the value of the team during the sale process.

Watch the Kubalik played with Kane when he scored 30 quotes to come. We are used to that with Debrincat.

Not a great return. Not awful. Surprised Debrincat signed for under 8 mill per. Canadian taxes suck.

Dorion has money to prove himself to a playoff spot now....and sign Pinto. Not a lot, but some to fine-tune the bottom six.

I won't judge this trade fully until more moves are made.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Kubalik had 7 goals, 21 points less last season than Debrincat and he played 120 minutes less of PP time. Much better value at 2.5 mil than Debrincat. He has a hard shot. If they can feed him like they did for Debrincat, you won't be losing much offense at all imo. Hell i wouldn't be surprised if Kubalik outscores Debrincat next season if the Sens use him the same as they did Debrincat.

I think Yzerman hates Czech players. Got rid of Hronek and Vrana at the deadline. Got rid of Zadina and Kubalik now. I can't think of a single player or prospect they have now that is Czech. Maybe Vrana ruined Czech players for Yzerman and he wants nothing to do with any of them anymore.

Kubalik had 7 goals, 21 points less last season than Debrincat and he played 120 minutes less of PP time. Much better value at 2.5 mil than Debrincat. He has a hard shot. If they can feed him like they did for Debrincat, you won't be losing much offense at all imo. Hell i wouldn't be surprised if Kubalik outscores Debrincat next season if the Sens use him the same as they did Debrincat.

I think Yzerman hates Czech players. Got rid of Hronek and Vrana at the deadline. Got rid of Zadina and Kubalik now. I can't think of a single player or prospect they have now that is Czech. Maybe Vrana ruined Czech players for Yzerman and he wants nothing to do with any of them anymore.
- dcz28

Cat will outscore kubalik and I’d prefer if we still had him

Had Kubalik in fantasy last season and remember him starting the season hot and then becoming useless.

In my eyes Yzerman won this deal: got the best player in the deal, steal of a cost, gave up a conditional 1st in a meh draft and gave up a prospect I know nothing about.

PD took a worthwhile risk to acquire Cat. Tried to recoup the assets with what seems like little leverage and that’s all she wrote.

To Ottawa Senators
Travis Konecny, Scott Laughton (25% salary retained)

To Philadelphia Flyers

2021 1st - 10th overall - RW Tyler Boucher
2022 32nd overall pick - C Shane Pinto
Mathieu Joseph
2024 1st round pick (OTT)
2024 1st round pick (DET)
2025 2nd round pick (OTT)

Not like it will happen but fair market value?

We basically rented Debrincat for a year for a 2nd and got a middle six winger and a lower ranked 1st. I'm happy. Moving on.

Ps...more and more it feels like we Traded for Debrinicat in order to increase the value of the team during the sale process.
- GrimmdaGoalie

Agreed, it's kind of a break-even return, plus they got the benefit of the value during the sale, and DeBrincat provided critical insurance against the injury to Norris. I'd also suggest the trade helped to significantly improve ticket sales, and it played a major role in terms of drawing UFA like Giroux and Korpisalo, who are among the most significant free agents to ever sign with the team.

As for upgrading the middle-six wingers, I wonder what ARI might be expecting in a trade return for Lawson Crouse? If something like the 1st-2024 (BOS), Brannstrom, and one of the young wingers in the system would get the deal done, that could be a very interesting addition to the 3rd line (i.e. Joseph-Pinto-Crouse)... and the exchange of the $2.0M salary for Brannstrom could help make it work cap-wise.

Cat will outscore kubalik and I’d prefer if we still had him

Had Kubalik in fantasy last season and remember him starting the season hot and then becoming useless.

In my eyes Yzerman won this deal: got the best player in the deal, steal of a cost, gave up a conditional 1st in a meh draft and gave up a prospect I know nothing about.

PD took a worthwhile risk to acquire Cat. Tried to recoup the assets with what seems like little leverage and that’s all she wrote.
- Trilla

I wouldn't be so sure of that if i were you. Kubalik is in a contract year before hitting the UFA market (unless the Sens re-sign him). He is likely going to be motivated and players having career years in a contract year where they are going to become a UFA happens a lot.

Sebrango was a decent prospect that played for team Canada at the WJC. Not a flashy defenseman but a good defensive one. He just got passed on the depth chart and the Wings have way too many defensemen prospects last season and even more this season in Grand Rapids and he got demoted to the ECHL and was likely headed there again this season. I wouldn't be surprised if he does much better in the Sens system. Grand Rapids was a disaster last season. They fired the coaching staff this summer and made a lot of changes. Most of the Wings prospects didn't look that good on that team.

I wouldn't be so sure of that if i were you. Kubalik is in a contract year before hitting the UFA market (unless the Sens re-sign him). He is likely going to be motivated and players having career years in a contract year where they are going to become a UFA happens a lot.

Sebrango was a decent prospect that played for team Canada at the WJC. Not a flashy defenseman but a good defensive one. He just got passed on the depth chart and the Wings have way too many defensemen prospects last season and even more this season in Grand Rapids and he got demoted to the ECHL and was likely headed there again this season. I wouldn't be surprised if he does much better in the Sens system. Grand Rapids was a disaster last season. They fired the coaching staff this summer and made a lot of changes. Most of the Wings prospects didn't look that good on that team.
- dcz28

Good point. Yzerman did better than I thought he would. You know he must have doubts about DeBrincat's +/- of -31. I believe Yzerman might have been more happy if the entire DeBrincat drama had just gone somewhere else.

Most Sens fans think Tarasenko is the next play for them. Ranger fans are disappointed that cap limitations make it impossible for them to make an offer to Tarasenko.

Rangers need around $8m to resign K'Andre Miller and Lafreniere.

Would prefer to see Sens make a play for Lafreniere in order to help Rangers find a way to sign Tarasenko.