i thought we were supposed to have another 1st round pick by the end of the weekend

i thought we were supposed to have another 1st round pick by the end of the weekend
- 2Real

About 11 hours since the snag in the TDA trade for a low prospect was reported resolved. Didn't really sound that complicated.

You're going to have to do better than this. A lack of aggressiveness was not his issue. This is a player that has done nothing but improve, every year.
- MJL

I don’t have to do anything, he didn’t move his feet, he didn’t play with a good pace, that translates to a lack of aggressiveness. He made a huge leap this year.

Not at all. I don’t want Hayes and his contract. Even if 50% retained. I hope the blues could do something to better the defense which has been terrible the last few years. Krug alone doesn’t move the needle for me and bringing back a overpriced contract is not good either. Sanheim really doesn’t seem to help the Blues just gets them away from Krug. Blues signed Leddy and Scandella and those contracts hurt. The only defensemen I would keep if I’m starting over and can trade anyone would be Faulk. He is fine. Parayko MAYBE keep.
- BluesDroogie

There was nothing wrong with sanheim until Fletcher got involved with resigning him. He is a 5 x 5.5 guy.

Frost did not lack aggressiveness before this season.
- MJL

Yes he did. One of his biggest issues was his tendency to float around and be a perimeter player.

Frost did not lack aggressiveness before this season.
- MJL

Sometimes you need to drop an agenda and admit that you were misguided in this instance. To say that Frost didn't lack aggressiveness before this past season is just wrong. Hell, he would probably admit to it. Of course, that might mean that you'd have to give Torts some credit for lighting a fire under his ass and improving his play, and we know that you'd rather have your eyes gouged out by birds then give Torts a shred of credit for anything.

and the Couturier re-signing and the Ellis trade and the JVR non-trade......
- mr4tno

I don't blame the Ellis signing on him. The coots signing was too long but before his back issues. The jvr episode was entirely on him.
I'm glad fleece me feltch is finally gone

I don't blame the Ellis signing on him. The coots signing was too long but before his back issues. The jvr episode was entirely on him.
I'm glad fleece me feltch is finally gone
- Bob Habib

I believe this is incorrect. If I'm not mistaken Hextall signed JVR (or are you talking about Hayes?). That was the big free agent signing of his tenure. And we wonder why he is unemployed along with Chuckles.

https://twitter.com/twelc...amp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I believe this is incorrect. If I'm not mistaken Hextall signed JVR (or are you talking about Hayes?). That was the big free agent signing of his tenure. And we wonder why he is unemployed along with Chuckles.
- Phillywhiteout

Chuck being unable to move JVR at deadline i what he is referring to...... Because trades are hard

https://twitter.com/twelcher15/status/1673117265854603264?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
- Just5

jesus

I don't blame the Ellis signing on him. The coots signing was too long but before his back issues. The jvr episode was entirely on him.
I'm glad fleece me feltch is finally gone
- Bob Habib

Somebody needs to take the blame for Ellis. Maybe the medical staff?

Somebody needs to take the blame for Ellis. Maybe the medical staff?
- Sinisalo4vr

Ellis is 100% on Fletcher....He said on 32 thoughts podcast that he was very happy with the moves he made that summer in trading Patrick and Myers for Ellis, getting Ristolainen and he knew they weren't going to get 490 games from Ellis, but didn't expect 4.....Funny part is it never gave him any pause at all as to why Poile was willing to essentially give away Ellis for peanuts.

Ellis is 100% on Fletcher....He said on 32 thoughts podcast that he was very happy with the moves he made that summer in trading Patrick and Myers for Ellis, getting Ristolainen and he knew they weren't going to get 490 games from Ellis, but didn't expect 4.....Funny part is it never gave him any pause at all as to why Poile was willing to essentially give away Ellis for peanuts.
- Flyerfan2868

And don’t forget the most important part. Ellis ALWAYS was a sidekick. A robin to Batman. Anyone would look decent playing next to Weber or Josi. So stupid to think Ellis would be some savior.

And don’t forget the most important part. Ellis ALWAYS was a sidekick. A robin to Batman. Anyone would look decent playing next to Weber or Josi. So stupid to think Ellis would be some savior.
- SMS4016

I think when this trade was made both players were cooked and the GMs traded duds for the optics that they were filling a need I.e. young center for top d-man… for the fans. The fans think that problems were being addressed when really these GMs were just trying to save face and get out from under their own mistakes

And don’t forget the most important part. Ellis ALWAYS was a sidekick. A robin to Batman. Anyone would look decent playing next to Weber or Josi. So stupid to think Ellis would be some savior.
- SMS4016

The real problem is Chuck didn’t recognize that he had leverage. Ellis was in decline fot at least 2 years with a lot of games lost to injuries. The Preds needed cap relief. Chuck should have made them take on some salary.

I think when this trade was made both players were cooked and the GMs traded duds for the optics that they were filling a need I.e. young center for top d-man… for the fans. The fans think that problems were being addressed when really these GMs were just trying to save face and get out from under their own mistakes
- black_francis

Except fletch got stuck with contract that was gonna last for years…. He thought he was getting top pair dman. Honestly I’ve never looked at Ellis like that. I never got why people thought he was so good. Don’t get me wrong he was a fine player. But he played whole career with Weber/Josi.

Cf got raped in that deal. The contract alone for a player that wasn’t even gonna be a #1 like he was being sold as.

Fasten your seatbelts, the next 48-72 hours is gonna be very bumpy. The last 48 was and nothing happened. This site is gonna be golden in the coming days!

Frost was definitely not an aggressive play driver until this past year. In fact it was mid year that he started showing initiative. That is not me busting on him that is just what we all saw. As a young player I understand it takes time 1-3 years to build confidence and find your way in the NHL.
To his credit he did find that confidence and I would share that credit with the coaching staff.
Frost, Tippett and TK are Torts biggest development wins on the team so far.
- Hosher12

That is not correct. I'm not sure who "we" encompasses but there are numerous people who saw differently. The issue with Frost both under Yeo and Tortorella was that he was not put on the proper spot. Both in terms of ice time and linemates. When he played with skilled offensive player on lines that had the puck more. He produced. I guess you forgot about the span of games at the end of the 21/22 season. Tortorella had to be talked to and convinced to play young players more, including Frost but it's a development win for him? Tortorella had nothing to do with Konecny.

I don’t have to do anything, he didn’t move his feet, he didn’t play with a good pace, that translates to a lack of aggressiveness. He made a huge leap this year.
- ClaudeFather

The signs were there the entire time. All he needed was to be put in the right spot.

Sometimes you need to drop an agenda and admit that you were misguided in this instance. To say that Frost didn't lack aggressiveness before this past season is just wrong. Hell, he would probably admit to it. Of course, that might mean that you'd have to give Torts some credit for lighting a fire under his ass and improving his play, and we know that you'd rather have your eyes gouged out by birds then give Torts a shred of credit for anything.
- Phillywhiteout

Sometimes you need to actually bring something to the table besides empty rhetoric. Tortorella had to be talked to and convinced to play him more. Tortorella held him back.

Sometimes you need to actually bring something to the table besides empty rhetoric. Tortorella had to be talked to and convinced to play him more. Tortorella held him back.
- MJL

For those that think that being up in the press box gives Torts a different perspective on the game, it doesn't. He's basically up there to shoot the poop with DB (and to let his assistants do his job). Apparently there is no time during the week for DB and Torts to converse about what goes on in games. I'm pretty sure Torts didn't just revolutionize coaching.

The same thing happened the following game against Buffalo but with Brière traveling elsewhere, Tortorella watched from the locker room instead. He did make his return behind the bench in their last game against Pittsburgh.

“It sucks up there, I didn’t learn a thing up there,” said Tortorella. That is answer alley because everybody has the answer up there because it’s so slow.

“I just think it gives them a chance to develop and see the bench at that spectrum. I think it’s my responsibility.

“It was really good for Danny and I because we got to converse.
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Chuck being unable to move JVR at deadline i what he is referring to...... Because trades are hard
- generalripper

The thing that Danny seems to realize, that Chuck never figured out, is that if you wanna get poop done under a flat cap you gotta be out in front of the market, trade early.

Seems to me DB had trade options for Hayes, Deangelo, Sanheim, Laughton and TK. He will take it right down to the wire to get the best deal which is what a good GM does. I expect the Flyers to get two additional 1st round picks in this draft while covering salary for up to 3 players. Can’t wait to see how this all works out.

Seems to me DB had trade options for Hayes, Deangelo, Sanheim, Laughton and TK. He will take it right down to the wire to get the best deal which is what a good GM does. I expect the Flyers to get two additional 1st round picks in this draft while covering salary for up to 3 players. Can’t wait to see how this all works out.
- jd250

Id like to keep a salary retained spot free for the trade deadline. But if we dont at least gets some picks out of the deal. Not a fan of the deangelo rumoured trade, but not awful at the same time.