Too much term and too much $… for what you get. That contract has effected his trade value for sure.
- landros 2

Also to say his no trade is a nonissue is nuts. Look at what St Louis is dealing w right now and what the flyers dealt w when tryin to move g. A no trade is always an issue and is another reason why that was a bad contract.

Regardless, if I can get a late 1st rounder in this draft and dump an 8 year contract / dman who realistically is somewhere between a 4 and 5 then I would without a doubt pull the trigger. It’s a bad contract. Most of the hockey Sanheim has played while now in his prime has been just ok. Even two years ago he was just ok. Not great. Better than the rest, but no worthy of that deal. Last year he simply was not good and was at best our 4th best dman on a bad team.

I would hope the idea is to flip Krug. I’m assuming he does not like the team the flyers were trying to move him to and that’s the hold up. Not saying he wants to play here either..

I am not saying there will be a big market but if what I said in my inital post comes true then there could be a team who see's Risto as a benefit in a playoff run. The cap will come up next season more than this season, the Flyers could eat a 1 million, could use a 3rd team to eat cap, they could eat more to max out return
- wcorvette

That playoff team would have to pay the 3rd team an asset to eat some of the cap. A playoff team is going to jump through those hoops for Ristolainen? When I say he is a mediocre player, I'm being generous.

The new GM did not sign Sanheim to that extension. Where the Flyers are, did it make sense for Fletcher to sign Sanheim to that extension.? Sure Briere was in the organization at the time, but Fletcher was GM and Pres, he had all the authority. Krug had a lousy season no doubt, but he cannot rebound and be effective over the last 4 years of his contract? Maybe the league just does not view Sanheim in the same favor as Fletcher. If he was a truly coveted Dman locked into an 8 yr contract at a reasobable cap hit, the offers would be better then the STL offer, no?
- Trox88

We're dealing with rumors at this point in time. Links were posted today that there were 4 or 5 teams interested in Sanheim. What offer would you expect? I don't dislike the Sanheim contract enough to take it on the chin to trade him.

That playoff team would have to pay the 3rd team an asset to eat some of the cap. A playoff team is going to jump through those hoops for Ristolainen? When I say he is a mediocre player, I'm being generous.
- MJL

But , generally speaking, your player evaluations leave a lot to be desired

Dead Cap slots is different than retention.
- WhiskeyMan

Strike 3. There is no such thing as dead cap slots in the CBA. There are buyouts and there are salary retained trades. A team has a limit of 3 salary retained trades each season. A buyout does not count towards that.

Also to say his no trade is a nonissue is nuts. Look at what St Louis is dealing w right now and what the flyers dealt w when tryin to move g. A no trade is always an issue and is another reason why that was a bad contract.

Regardless, if I can get a late 1st rounder in this draft and dump an 8 year contract / dman who realistically is somewhere between a 4 and 5 then I would without a doubt pull the trigger. It’s a bad contract. Most of the hockey Sanheim has played while now in his prime has been just ok. Even two years ago he was just ok. Not great. Better than the rest, but no worthy of that deal. Last year he simply was not good and was at best our 4th best dman on a bad team.

I would hope the idea is to flip Krug. I’m assuming he does not like the team the flyers were trying to move him to and that’s the hold up. Not saying he wants to play here either..
- Joe Nardone

Nobody has said that the NTC is a non-issue.

Who were the 3 defenseman that were better? Provorov, York and whom?

Well we are making a brand change, let’s go back to the Philadelphia Quakers!

We're dealing with rumors at this point in time. Links were posted today that there were 4 or 5 teams interested in Sanheim. What offer would you expect? I don't dislike the Sanheim contract enough to take it on the chin to trade him.
- MJL

I actually expect the offers being rumored as pretty much one would expect from a non-top pair Dman with 8 yrs left on his contract. You believe accepting a 1st rd pick and getting back a Dman with half the term is bad value. Ok, no problem. Give me an idea what you believe would be value. If everyone in the organization is for sale with this dumpster fire team besides Gauthier, certainly I would like to read what you consider sufficient value for Sanheim.

That playoff team would have to pay the 3rd team an asset to eat some of the cap. A playoff team is going to jump through those hoops for Ristolainen? When I say he is a mediocre player, I'm being generous.
- MJL

I stand by my opinion, as you do yours. I will add, Vegas showed this season that size and skating is important on D, in playoffs. That said, RRs play will also have to hit what I mentioned initially.

Nobody has said that the NTC is a non-issue.

Who were the 3 defenseman that were better? Provorov, York and whom?
- MJL

Seeler

I actually expect the offers being rumored as pretty much one would expect from a non-top pair Dman with 8 yrs left on his contract. You believe accepting a 1st rd pick and getting back a Dman with half the term is bad value. Ok, no problem. Give me an idea what you believe would be value. If everyone in the organization is for sale with this dumpster fire team besides Gauthier, certainly I would like to read what you consider sufficient value for Sanheim.
- Trox88

lol he never will Put himself out there like that and give any names or picks.

I actually expect the offers being rumored as pretty much one would expect from a non-top pair Dman with 8 yrs left on his contract. You believe accepting a 1st rd pick and getting back a Dman with half the term is bad value. Ok, no problem. Give me an idea what you believe would be value. If everyone in the organization is for sale with this dumpster fire team besides Gauthier, certainly I would like to read what you consider sufficient value for Sanheim.
- Trox88

Yes, if that would be the trade. Sanheim to St Louis for the 25th pick and having to take on Krug. Yes, that is a bad deal. Sanheim alone is worth the 25th pick. Having to take the cap space off of them for a player they want to move, is then worth more.

I actually expect the offers being rumored as pretty much one would expect from a non-top pair Dman with 8 yrs left on his contract. You believe accepting a 1st rd pick and getting back a Dman with half the term is bad value. Ok, no problem. Give me an idea what you believe would be value. If everyone in the organization is for sale with this dumpster fire team besides Gauthier, certainly I would like to read what you consider sufficient value for Sanheim.
- Trox88

The one deal I saw seemed too good to be true for the Flyers. Sanheim, Laughton and Hayes (50%) to the Blue for Krug, a 2023 1st and a second round pick. Then the Flyers were going to flip Krug.

So basically the Flyers were getting $13mil off there cap and getting draft picks. All while not including TK, Hart and any of the young prospects. Seemed really far fetched to me.

I stand by my opinion, as you do yours. I will add, Vegas showed this season that size and skating is important on D, in playoffs. That said, RRs play will also have to hit what I mentioned initially.
- wcorvette

Vegas showed that having size and skating with good players is important. Just having a player with size who is a decent skater, but not a good player, is not.

He would have to have an unbelievable year for teams to want to take on 3 more years. Highly unlikely.

The one deal I saw seemed too good to be true for the Flyers. Sanheim, Laughton and Hayes (50%) to the Blue for Krug, a 2023 1st and a second round pick. Then the Flyers were going to flip Krug.

So basically the Flyers were getting $13mil off there cap and getting draft picks. All while not including TK, Hart and any of the young prospects. Seemed really far fetched to me.
- mickel25

That is a horrible deal for the flyers.

The one deal I saw seemed too good to be true for the Flyers. Sanheim, Laughton and Hayes (50%) to the Blue for Krug, a 2023 1st and a second round pick. Then the Flyers were going to flip Krug.

So basically the Flyers were getting $13mil off there cap and getting draft picks. All while not including TK, Hart and any of the young prospects. Seemed really far fetched to me.
- mickel25

That's too good to be true? Honestly? That deal is basically giving Laughton away for nothing.

Sanheim = 1st round pick.
Hayes + retaining salary and taking Krug=2nd
Laughton=throw in for free.

Vegas showed that having size and skating with good players is important. Just having a player with size who is a decent skater, but not a good player, is not.

He would have to have an unbelievable year for teams to want to take on 3 more years. Highly unlikely.
- MJL

I uderstand your opinion, and I am not saying it would be a huge market but my opinion there would be a market.

The one deal I saw seemed too good to be true for the Flyers. Sanheim, Laughton and Hayes (50%) to the Blue for Krug, a 2023 1st and a second round pick. Then the Flyers were going to flip Krug.

So basically the Flyers were getting $13mil off there cap and getting draft picks. All while not including TK, Hart and any of the young prospects. Seemed really far fetched to me.
- mickel25

I would assume if the Flyers flip Krug, they'll be taking back a contract or retaining salary. I agree that deal was too good to be true losing that much salary.

That is a horrible deal for the flyers.
- hello it's me 2050

Really?

Getting $13mil off the books and getting out of Sanheim's deal. Also, flipping Krug for a third asset. Hayes is all but gone anyway. I like Sanheim and Laughton. But this trade is a trade you make when you are trying to rebuild a roster.

If they were not flipping Krug I would probably not do it.

I uderstand your opinion, and I am not saying it would be a huge market but my opinion there would be a market.
- wcorvette

Is there any precedence for a trade like that? A playoff contender paying the team trading the player an asset as well as a 3rd team as asset to help with the cap. For a mediocre 3rd pair defenseman with 3 years of term left?

Really?

Getting $13mil off the books and getting out of Sanheim's deal. Also, flipping Krug for a third asset. Hayes is all but gone anyway. I like Sanheim and Laughton. But this trade is a trade you make when you are trying to rebuild a roster.

If they were not flipping Krug I would probably not do it.
- mickel25

That's a trade I would call for the GM's head for making.

Strike 3. There is no such thing as dead cap slots in the CBA. There are buyouts and there are salary retained trades. A team has a limit of 3 salary retained trades each season. A buyout does not count towards that.
- MJL

I am going off wheat capfriendly calls the slots. The are dead cap slots in reality

Really?

Getting $13mil off the books and getting out of Sanheim's deal. Also, flipping Krug for a third asset. Hayes is all but gone anyway. I like Sanheim and Laughton. But this trade is a trade you make when you are trying to rebuild a roster.

If they were not flipping Krug I would probably not do it.
- mickel25

yes really. Sanheim isn't a stiff that you need to move ASAP. As CLiff said your giving away Laughton for free +. Horrible deal.

That's too good to be true? Honestly? That deal is basically giving Laughton away for nothing.

Sanheim = 1st round pick.
Hayes + retaining salary and taking Krug=2nd
Laughton=throw in for free.
- MJL

Getting rid of the Sanheim deal and freeing up as much as $13mil in cap space is worth Scott Laughton to me. If they are not flipping Krug I would be hesitant.

Also, I do not think there is a team in the league that would give you a first round pick straight up for Travis Sanheim. The teams that want don't have the cap space to take on his full cap hit.

In this deal, Sanheim and Krug are a wash in terms of AAV. Hayes (50%) and Laughton's AAV use almost of the Blues remaining cap space.

I am going off wheat capfriendly calls the slots. The are dead cap slots in reality
- WhiskeyMan

Buyouts don't count towards the 3 salary retention trade slots.