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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 26 @ 12:50 PM ET
Suppisedly the cap will start to rise significantly after next season. I fully expect Krug later in his contract to morph into a Streit role. Veteran Dman on 3rd pair to run the PP. Flyers retain salary when he gets moved. I very much doubt the Flyers will be Krug's last team he plays for on his current contract.
- Trox88


So the Flyers take in the full 6.5M and then deal him what in two years with salary retained? Seems like a great idea.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 26 @ 12:51 PM ET
Yes they are but why get one who seems to be in decline and has 3 more years at 6.5M. Sanheim is a pretty good player. There should be zero rush to move him.
- MJL

no there should be urgency as his NTC kicks in soon. Doesn't mean you dump him for nothing.

also tells me Danny wasn't as on board with the sanheim contract if he is looking to move him.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 26 @ 12:54 PM ET
Yes they are but why get one who seems to be in decline and has 3 more years at 6.5M. Sanheim is a pretty good player. There should be zero rush to move him.
- MJL


Agreed. I asked this yesterday. Why the rush to trade Sanheim? The length of the contract is the only real issue and it’s not a big concern at the moment.

I’m not against moving Sanheim, but let the deal come to you, not the other way around. It should be a TK situation. Wait for a really strong offer.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 26 @ 12:54 PM ET
a GM cant make that promise.
- hello it's me 2050


He can’t promise to try to move him?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 26 @ 12:54 PM ET
He can’t promise to try to move him?
- mikeyo27

wasn't what you said.
Quetzalcoatl
Location: Buffalo Sabres / Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 12.02.2009

Jun 26 @ 12:55 PM ET
Thought this was an interesting read given some of the conversations about Torts. Seems to me we've rightly evolved away from many old school "tough love" methods, but perhaps are passing the ideal middle ground and heading towards too much of a "coddling" mentality.

https://getpocket.com/exp...?utm_source=pocket-newtab
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 26 @ 12:56 PM ET
Agreed. I asked this yesterday. Why the rush to trade Sanheim? The length of the contract is the only real issue and it’s not a big concern at the moment.

I’m not against moving Sanheim, but let the deal come to you, not the other way around. It should be a TK situation. Wait for a really strong offer.

- StepfordSam


I'm not concerned about the NTC. I understand the opinion that it's not a great contract. I like the player but didn't like the contract. I didn't view him as a max term player that got a market price AAV and trade protection. What did the Flyers get in the deal? Regardless I agree, it's not a big concern right now in my opinion.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 26 @ 12:56 PM ET
Lindblom was a buyout. Not a retained salary transaction.
- MJL




I believe it is 3 dead cap slots. Lindblom counts as one
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 26 @ 12:57 PM ET
wasn't what you said.
- hello it's me 2050


Yes it is. Promise to try to move him to another team in the meantime.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 26 @ 12:58 PM ET
Agreed. I asked this yesterday. Why the rush to trade Sanheim? The length of the contract is the only real issue and it’s not a big concern at the moment.

I’m not against moving Sanheim, but let the deal come to you, not the other way around. It should be a TK situation. Wait for a really strong offer.

- StepfordSam

seems all the TK and Laughton trade talk has come to a halt.

The 3 guys in the rumors are 3 guys imo Torts wouldn't mind moving on from.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 26 @ 12:59 PM ET
Yes it is. Promise to try to move him to another team in the meantime.
- mikeyo27

what you said:
"Perhaps Briere is promising Kruger to try to move him to a team of his choosing in the meantime. "

a team of his choosing may not want him
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 26 @ 12:59 PM ET
And as well if the cap takes a big jump…5.1 becomes a lot more doable. He’s still a decent player. Big, fairly mobile, physical. He may be a decent trade option and not a cap giveaway as some seem to think.
- landros 2



agree, he made progress last season, perceived or otherwise, maintain and add a little more O and he becomes viable. His cap is 5.1, use a 3rd team to hold some cap to max out return.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 26 @ 1:01 PM ET
I believe it is 3 dead cap slots. Lindblom counts as one
- WhiskeyMan


That is not correct. A player bought out does not count towards the three salary retention slots
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 26 @ 1:01 PM ET
what you said:
"Perhaps Briere is promising Kruger to try to move him to a team of his choosing in the meantime. "

a team of his choosing may not want him

- hello it's me 2050


Semantics. And “try” is not the same as “will”.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:03 PM ET
Agreed. I asked this yesterday. Why the rush to trade Sanheim? The length of the contract is the only real issue and it’s not a big concern at the moment.

I’m not against moving Sanheim, but let the deal come to you, not the other way around. It should be a TK situation. Wait for a really strong offer.

- StepfordSam


agree to this, Sanheim is a good get for a team, middle 4 D, money is doable, term is a long way away till it becomes a concern.

just my opinion, players mature and decline at different times. Sanheim who stuggles to hold weight was no surprise he took a while to mature. It seems to me, better skaters age better. I think Sanheim has the late bloomer and skating in his favor as he ages.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 26 @ 1:05 PM ET
Playoff teams might have interest in a player like Ristolainen in a depth role for the playoffs if he was on an expiring contract. Why would a playoff level team have interest in a mediocre at best defenseman with 3 more years left on his deal? The chances are remote. Not the kind of player teams have interest in at the deadline with term left. A player would have to be a really good player to take that on.
- MJL


I am not saying there will be a big market but if what I said in my inital post comes true then there could be a team who see's Risto as a benefit in a playoff run. The cap will come up next season more than this season, the Flyers could eat a 1 million, could use a 3rd team to eat cap, they could eat more to max out return
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Jun 26 @ 1:06 PM ET
seems all the TK and Laughton trade talk has come to a halt.

The 3 guys in the rumors are 3 guys imo Torts wouldn't mind moving on from.

- hello it's me 2050


I've noticed. Would be interesting if the only player movement this off-season was among those not in the coach's favor.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Jun 26 @ 1:08 PM ET
So the Flyers take in the full 6.5M and then deal him what in two years with salary retained? Seems like a great idea.
- MJL


The new GM did not sign Sanheim to that extension. Where the Flyers are, did it make sense for Fletcher to sign Sanheim to that extension.? Sure Briere was in the organization at the time, but Fletcher was GM and Pres, he had all the authority. Krug had a lousy season no doubt, but he cannot rebound and be effective over the last 4 years of his contract? Maybe the league just does not view Sanheim in the same favor as Fletcher. If he was a truly coveted Dman locked into an 8 yr contract at a reasobable cap hit, the offers would be better then the STL offer, no?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 26 @ 1:09 PM ET
Semantics. And “try” is not the same as “will”.
- mikeyo27

bottom line is you cant make that promise or you look like a fool
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 26 @ 1:09 PM ET
would pay to hear that pitch. Approve the deal then have a job for life
- hello it's me 2050

😂
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 26 @ 1:09 PM ET
I've noticed. Would be interesting if the only player movement this off-season was among those not in the coach's favor.
- StepfordSam

the ones with all the value!!!!
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 26 @ 1:11 PM ET
no there should be urgency as his NTC kicks in soon. Doesn't mean you dump him for nothing.

also tells me Danny wasn't as on board with the sanheim contract if he is looking to move him.

- hello it's me 2050


Too much term and too much $… for what you get. That contract has effected his trade value for sure.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 26 @ 1:12 PM ET
bottom line is you cant make that promise or you look like a fool
- hello it's me 2050


👌🏻
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 26 @ 1:16 PM ET
That is not correct. A player bought out does not count towards the three salary retention slots
- MJL


Dead Cap slots is different than retention.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 26 @ 1:25 PM ET
Not sure how accurate but saw a source say Krug is waiving how NTC today and to buckle up 🤔
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