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LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 11:00 PM ET
Dvorsky is the guy I'd have an eye on if D men are getting drafted ahead of us.
- golfingsince

For a draft that supposed to be center heavy, people are sure talking about defenceman a lot.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 27 @ 11:05 PM ET
Put down the bong, you’re such a drama queen. There are two players in the entire league who have a cap hit of 12 million dollars or higher, McDavid and MacKinnon, he’s not getting 12 million.

They’ll come to an agreement on a long term contract around the 10 million dollar mark with the escrow expected to be paid off and the cap to rise in 2024/25.

- LeftCoaster

Or he could ask for a trade.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 11:18 PM ET
Or he could ask for a trade.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Perhaps. I think he’s going to want to see some major improvements with the way the Canucks do business. There was some nice improvements with Tocchet coming in but they’ve gotta keep building on that.

Kaprizov had a 108 point year and signed for 9 million a year. There’s no hurry to sign him, Pettersson, see how he performs this year. You should be able to compete with two 8+ million dollar forwards, one 7+ million dollar dman and a 6+ million dollar goalie. Like Tampa, as an example, did last year when they lost in the finals.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 27 @ 11:27 PM ET
Put down the bong, you’re such a drama queen. There are two players in the entire league who have a cap hit of 12 million dollars or higher, McDavid and MacKinnon, he’s not getting 12 million.

They’ll come to an agreement on a long term contract around the 10 million dollar mark with the escrow expected to be paid off and the cap to rise in 2024/25.

- LeftCoaster

He's not wrong, the cap is rising and the players know it.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 27 @ 11:36 PM ET
He's not wrong, the cap is rising and the players know it.
- golfingsince

There’s no chance he gets 12 million even with a rising cap. That’s my belief, he’s worth it, but he won’t get it. Comparable players who signed recently don’t make that kind of money. He’s worth a lot as he drives the bus offensively for the club but he’s not a next level player…..yet.

Less than two years ago Barkov signed for eight years 10 million a year. Last year Zibanejad signed for eight years at 8.5 million. Kaprizov just signed for 9 million a year. Pastrnak just signed the sixth largest deal in NHL history for 11.25 million and he’s got a proven track record. Brayden Point just signed an eight year deal for 9.5 million a year and he also has a proven track record.
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Jun 28 @ 12:03 AM ET
There’s no chance he gets 12 million even with a rising cap. That’s my belief, he’s worth it, but he won’t get it. Comparable players who signed recently don’t make that kind of money. He’s worth a lot as he drives the bus offensively for the club but he’s not a next level player…..yet.

Less than two years ago Barkov signed for eight years 10 million a year. Last year Zibanejad signed for eight years at 8.5 million. Kaprizov just signed for 9 million a year. Pastrnak just signed the sixth largest deal in NHL history for 11.25 million and he’s got a proven track record. Brayden Point just signed an eight year deal for 9.5 million a year and he also has a proven track record.

- LeftCoaster

Barkov and Point both are in the "no state tax" of Florida so their take home saleries must be pro rated. Overall all the players listed had to sign deals in the covid hangover of downward revenue. With league funds projected to increase over the next few seasons, agents and players know they are coming into a happy time of contracts. Matthews is already touted to be the richest contract in the league when he resigns. So Petey will for sure be in the 10 to 11 range to stay in Vancouver.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 28 @ 12:29 AM ET
Petey 8/10.25m my prediction
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Jun 28 @ 1:13 AM ET
There’s no chance he gets 12 million even with a rising cap. That’s my belief, he’s worth it, but he won’t get it. Comparable players who signed recently don’t make that kind of money. He’s worth a lot as he drives the bus offensively for the club but he’s not a next level player…..yet.

Less than two years ago Barkov signed for eight years 10 million a year. Last year Zibanejad signed for eight years at 8.5 million. Kaprizov just signed for 9 million a year. Pastrnak just signed the sixth largest deal in NHL history for 11.25 million and he’s got a proven track record. Brayden Point just signed an eight year deal for 9.5 million a year and he also has a proven track record.

- LeftCoaster


Any of those deals to me aren't a true reflection of where the cap is headed. Instead, look at Marner's and Tavares' deals. They're coming to the end of 11M deals, and Patterson is worth more than either.

The cap will rise, so will player salaries especially at the top.
Sayros
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 28 @ 1:22 AM ET
Or he could ask for a trade.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Exactly. Asking for 12M (which his agent wouldn’t be hesitant to do) could be akin to asking for a trade.
Sayros
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 28 @ 1:23 AM ET
For a draft that supposed to be center heavy, people are sure talking about defenceman a lot.
- LeftCoaster


Don’t worry, we’ll find the Oli Juolevi.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 28 @ 1:26 AM ET
Put down the bong, you’re such a drama queen. There are two players in the entire league who have a cap hit of 12 million dollars or higher, McDavid and MacKinnon, he’s not getting 12 million.

They’ll come to an agreement on a long term contract around the 10 million dollar mark with the escrow expected to be paid off and the cap to rise in 2024/25.

- LeftCoaster


Don’t agree. If they want him to sign this summer they need to overpay
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 28 @ 1:50 AM ET

I would be the happiest Canucks fan ever, if they got rid of Pouty and Queenie.
Go Allvin Go
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 28 @ 2:08 AM ET

Management must be asleep at the wheel, agin.

Nice trade by the Flames, Sharangovich is a nice player.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 28 @ 2:14 AM ET
I would be the happiest Canucks fan ever, if they got rid of Pouty and Queenie.
Go Allvin Go

- Reubenkincade

never ending.

Pettersson is a Canucks franchise player, Hughes will win the Norris as a Canuck.

Now that being said, I cannot understand the thinking in here, the same posters over and over criticize every move the Canucks make and then criticize every move they don’t make…lol, I am really surprised that the news isn’t constant bridge closures with the amount of distraught jumpers in this site.

Allvin is doing a really good job, go Canucks go.
Sayros
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada, AB
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 28 @ 2:25 AM ET
never ending.

Pettersson is a Canucks franchise player, Hughes will win the Norris as a Canuck.

Now that being said, I cannot understand the thinking in here, the same posters over and over criticize every move the Canucks make and then criticize every move they don’t make…lol, I am really surprised that the news isn’t constant bridge closures with the amount of distraught jumpers in this site.

Allvin is doing a really good job, go Canucks go.

- Makita


Well I mean losing, not making playoffs and generally not having a chance for the better part of a decade will do that to a fan base.

Especially difficult while watching countless franchises rebuild (retool or whatever the heck you want to call it) and get back to being competitive in less than a handful of years.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 28 @ 2:36 AM ET
Management must be asleep at the wheel, agin.

Nice trade by the Flames, Sharangovich is a nice player.

- Reubenkincade

He is pretty one dimensional and not what we need
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 28 @ 2:46 AM ET
Well I mean losing, not making playoffs and generally not having a chance for the better part of a decade will do that to a fan base.

Especially difficult while watching countless franchises rebuild (retool or whatever the heck you want to call it) and get back to being competitive in less than a handful of years.

- Sayros

I guess that’s fair in some individuals but if Canucks were to sign anyone (PLD, Hall, Hayes, etc) there would be non-stop female doging, too old, too slow, bent over a barrel, yada yada.

These fantasy trades of Hughes, Pettersson, that are bantered about as the saving of the franchise would be the further downfall and yet further complaints from the very same fans that they were traded and succeeded on other teams.

In my opinion Allivin is doing just fine.
Quinn's Quest
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 08.08.2022

Jun 28 @ 4:19 AM ET
I guess that’s fair in some individuals but if Canucks were to sign anyone (PLD, Hall, Hayes, etc) there would be non-stop female doging, too old, too slow, bent over a barrel, yada yada.

These fantasy trades of Hughes, Pettersson, that are bantered about as the saving of the franchise would be the further downfall and yet further complaints from the very same fans that they were traded and succeeded on other teams.

In my opinion Allivin is doing just fine.

- Makita


I get you and you probably know these attitudes by others are compounded by the results.

They don’t want to rebuild around the young core that’s losing they want a new one. Which if they trade them out, there could be complaints that follow on how it’s not good enough.

I am not sure what the balance will be between patience and change.
Quinn's Quest
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 08.08.2022

Jun 28 @ 5:51 AM ET
Well I mean losing, not making playoffs and generally not having a chance for the better part of a decade will do that to a fan base.

Especially difficult while watching countless franchises rebuild (retool or whatever the heck you want to call it) and get back to being competitive in less than a handful of years.

- Sayros


Really? I see most in limbo. Only a few like Rangers and Panthers emerged. But that too can be short lived. Now LA about to step into it. We’ll see how that goes.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 28 @ 8:33 AM ET
"The 2023 NHL Entry Draft is widely considered to be one of the deepest Draft pools in recent years, especially for forwards. National pundit Craig Button recently opined that he believes there are roughly 20 to 24 prospects available who, without too much of a leap of faith, have top-six forward or top-four defensemen upside if they develop as hoped. There are also the usual assorted sleepers who could surge in their post-Draft year after being selected beyond the first round."


Most exciting day of the year, despite some losers like Vantel and VHG saying the Canucks don't care about the draft, which they clearly do, today will set the future building blocks in place for a lot of NHL clubs...including the Canucks.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 28 @ 8:46 AM ET
Management must be asleep at the wheel, agin.

Nice trade by the Flames, Sharangovich is a nice player.

- Reubenkincade

You're a (frank)in short-sighted moron. The Flames traded Tyler Pitlick, Emil Heineman (good young prospect), a 1st round pick, a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick for Tyler Toffoli.

They just traded him for a depth center and a 3rd round pick. That's terrible asset management when you view things from a broader perspective. Like Jim Benning terrible!! If that were the Canucks you'd be screaming bloody murder of how bad management is for giving all that up for such a putrid return...moron.

And your spelling is still as bad as my math!!
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 28 @ 9:16 AM ET
never ending.

Pettersson is a Canucks franchise player, Hughes will win the Norris as a Canuck.

Now that being said, I cannot understand the thinking in here, the same posters over and over criticize every move the Canucks make and then criticize every move they don’t make…lol, I am really surprised that the news isn’t constant bridge closures with the amount of distraught jumpers in this site.

Allvin is doing a really good job, go Canucks go.

- Makita


I guess if Erik Kartsson can win a Norris, while playing brutal defense, then maybe one day Hughes can as well.

Sorry I don't feel the same way as you do about the 2 mentioned players, I will try my best to be a better Canucks fan.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 28 @ 9:17 AM ET
You're a (frank)in short-sighted moron. The Flames traded Tyler Pitlick, Emil Heineman (good young prospect), a 1st round pick, a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick for Tyler Toffoli.

They just traded him for a depth center and a 3rd round pick. That's terrible asset management when you view things from a broader perspective. Like Jim Benning terrible!! If that were the Canucks you'd be screaming bloody murder of how bad management is for giving all that up for such a putrid return...moron.

And your spelling is still as bad as my math!!

- LeftCoaster





isnt that how it is said by you Americans?
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 28 @ 9:20 AM ET


isnt that how it is said by you Americans?

- Reubenkincade

Only in Louisiana
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 28 @ 10:16 AM ET
"The 2023 NHL Entry Draft is widely considered to be one of the deepest Draft pools in recent years, especially for forwards. National pundit Craig Button recently opined that he believes there are roughly 20 to 24 prospects available who, without too much of a leap of faith, have top-six forward or top-four defensemen upside if they develop as hoped. There are also the usual assorted sleepers who could surge in their post-Draft year after being selected beyond the first round."


Most exciting day of the year, despite some losers like Vantel and VHG saying the Canucks don't care about the draft, which they clearly do, today will set the future building blocks in place for a lot of NHL clubs...including the Canucks.

- LeftCoaster


Probably the dumbest post I've read here in years. Are you and the wife hosting another swingers party tonight by the saltwater pool for the draft?
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