I think it is going to be a good summer.
- VANTEL

It will be if they get rid of JTM. Then I can at least cheer for the team. As much as I hate him, I can admit they'll probably be worse without him overall. But they're going to suck for a few years either way. I'd rather them suck without him.

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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9m
Not to throw another log onto the fire for #Flames, but the potential exodus continues.

I'm told Tyler Toffoli also plans on not re-signing in Calgary.



- LeftCoaster

Since when does everyone announce their intentions to sign or not a year ahead of time ... this seems to be a fairly new thing and very Calgary focused of late.

It will be if they get rid of JTM. Then I can at least cheer for the team. As much as I hate him, I can admit they'll probably be worse without him overall. But they're going to suck for a few years either way. I'd rather them suck without him.
- Sayros

My take is he will produce for four years or so. I am really in the middle how I feel about him. If he stays fine and if he is traded for young future assets even better.

His contract dollar is fine, I think it's just that he's come across as a bit of a selfish a-hole his whole time in Vancouver. Tocchet is the first coach to kinda put his attitude in check.
- LeftCoaster

It won't last. This is not new for Miller. He comes as advertised.

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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9m
Not to throw another log onto the fire for #Flames, but the potential exodus continues.

I'm told Tyler Toffoli also plans on not re-signing in Calgary.



- LeftCoaster

The last I heard they were looking at buying him out for cap room so I am not sure they care too much about that.

I think they are not happy with Hanifin and Lindholm deciding to go.

About himself.

The other trash you mentioned isn't worth the hate as that garbage comes & goes as part of the constant evolution of building a championship team that is the Vancouver Canucks saga.

I hated Matt Cooke a lot, too, he'd be # 3 on my player hate list.
- Marwood

He cares about winning. You don’t know him and have no idea if he cares about his teammates. It’s somewhat ironic that you hate him because he has a spaz once in awhile and complains. Isn’t that what you do on these boards daily?

He cares about winning. You don’t know him and have no idea if he cares about his teammates. It’s somewhat ironic that you hate him because he has a spaz once in awhile and complains. Isn’t that what you do on these boards daily?
- CanuckDon

Miller's temper tantrums, pouting and blaming his team mates for his long running terrible play can run on for months. That kind of negativity from one of your team leader is a serious problem.

He cares about winning. You don’t know him and have no idea if he cares about his teammates. It’s somewhat ironic that you hate him because he has a spaz once in awhile and complains. Isn’t that what you do on these boards daily?
- CanuckDon

I think he is a selfish asshole who has had problems on his previous teams that were quick to trade him when the chance presented itself. He only turned his game around when Tocchet threatened to release the teenagers video of the pumpkin patch debacle.
I'm glad you have a teenage crush on him. Is it his charming mustache?

Pete Edwards
@pete_gas
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4m
Hearing reports that Harvey the Hound is also requesting a move out of Calgary. Flames are indeed shopping their mascot.

Bruce loved him. Tochett loves him. And I know for a fact he is popular in the room. Canuck fans are betas. They want every player to be like the Sedins
- CanuckDon

Bias - I think he's a cancer type player for a team always dividing the room. I don't like the contract. I hate the wasted opportunity of not cashing in on the best statistical season he will ever have. I don't like it when he scores, even for the team I cheer for.

As objectional as I can be about him. I dislike him. I dislike the way he throws teammates under the bus when things aren't going well. But the main thing is the way he plays. He has a rare skill set with the physicality and offensive ability, but he is selfish and will break the cycle way too early making a pass that has a 1/10 chance in making it. Sometimes it does, and he gets a point. Yay. But most of the time it's a turnover and he's the last one back. Then he pouts when he doesn't get the puck on the powerplay. I don't think he's who you want to build around. He would fit well in Vegas where he is a cog in the machine. As a leader, it's too much for him to set an example and all that crap. So no, I don't think he's a true alpha. More of an acting alpha cause there ain't many others on the team.

In Canada, Indigenous is a blanket term for Inuit, First Nations, and Metis. However, these are three distinct groups. Furthermore, there are many cultural and language differences amongst Indigenous peoples.

If you are speaking with an individual or community, try to learn what they prefer. For example, someone who is Cree will want to be identified as Cree and not Indigenous or First Nations.
- Bakwas

Awesome. You can refer to me as God. Thank you.

Bias - I think he's a cancer type player for a team always dividing the room. I don't like the contract. I hate the wasted opportunity of not cashing in on the best statistical season he will ever have. I don't like it when he scores, even for the team I cheer for.

As objectional as I can be about him. I dislike him. I dislike the way he throws teammates under the bus when things aren't going well. But the main thing is the way he plays. He has a rare skill set with the physicality and offensive ability, but he is selfish and will break the cycle way too early making a pass that has a 1/10 chance in making it. Sometimes it does, and he gets a point. Yay. But most of the time it's a turnover and he's the last one back. Then he pouts when he doesn't get the puck on the powerplay. I don't think he's who you want to build around. He would fit well in Vegas where he is a cog in the machine. As a leader, it's too much for him to set an example and all that crap. So no, I don't think he's a true alpha. More of an acting alpha cause there ain't many others on the team.
- Sayros

We don't know that until July 1

You wish your life was as good as mine pal. I didn't go around my whole life raging war against everyone and everything. You must have been really had a rough life if you are ready to fight everyday.
- VANTEL

Haha you think i want to be 70 with a mail order bride?! Im going to Japan this year and get to travel and put on events for a living, im pretty happy with life and worked hard to make it easy.

Pete Edwards
@pete_gas
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4m
Hearing reports that Harvey the Hound is also requesting a move out of Calgary. Flames are indeed shopping their mascot.
- VANTEL

Harvey has to be one of the all time crappy mascots.

Haha you think i want to be 70 with a mail order bride?! Im going to Japan this year and get to travel and put on events for a living, im pretty happy with life and worked hard to make it easy.
- neem55

Yeah your not racist




I am sure all those Japanese people will be thrilled to see another Western A hole that thinks they are better than everyone.

If you are so happy why are you on here everyday looking for fights? For the record I could not give a flying fu@k if you were a billionaire or pennyless. I don't know anything about you aside from your ignorance so I guess cleaning toilets has paid out well for you. Enjoy your retirement and with any luck you won't have to hit 70. We all hope you obtain your goals.

For the record Hate Rallies are not really considered event

Bias - I think he's a cancer type player for a team always dividing the room. I don't like the contract. I hate the wasted opportunity of not cashing in on the best statistical season he will ever have. I don't like it when he scores, even for the team I cheer for.

As objectional as I can be about him. I dislike him. I dislike the way he throws teammates under the bus when things aren't going well. But the main thing is the way he plays. He has a rare skill set with the physicality and offensive ability, but he is selfish and will break the cycle way too early making a pass that has a 1/10 chance in making it. Sometimes it does, and he gets a point. Yay. But most of the time it's a turnover and he's the last one back. Then he pouts when he doesn't get the puck on the powerplay. I don't think he's who you want to build around. He would fit well in Vegas where he is a cog in the machine. As a leader, it's too much for him to set an example and all that crap. So no, I don't think he's a true alpha. More of an acting alpha cause there ain't many others on the team.
- Sayros

I keep hearing he throws teammates under the bus. Who? Back up these statements. You are very wrong. He has been “the leader” in the room since he was acquired and his teammates love him. I know this for a fact. Sure, pouty and him have a weird relationship but anybody that would be friends with pouty is a ducking freak

I keep hearing he throws teammates under the bus. Who? Back up these statements. You are very wrong. He has been “the leader” in the room since he was acquired and his teammates love him. I know this for a fact. Sure, pouty and him have a weird relationship but anybody that would be friends with pouty is a ducking freak
- CanuckDon

I know this is not throwing people under the bus but Tochett said in his last interview Petey and Miller are getting on better now. Still room to grow but it's improving.

I keep hearing he throws teammates under the bus. Who? Back up these statements. You are very wrong. He has been “the leader” in the room since he was acquired and his teammates love him. I know this for a fact. Sure, pouty and him have a weird relationship but anybody that would be friends with pouty is a ducking freak
- CanuckDon

If that's the case then this team really is fucked.
He is a selfish prick who only tries when he feels like it. Good luck even making the playoffs with that kind of 'leadership'.

He cares about winning. You don’t know him and have no idea if he cares about his teammates. It’s somewhat ironic that you hate him because he has a spaz once in awhile and complains. Isn’t that what you do on these boards daily?
- CanuckDon

Do you mean just North America?

It's very disputable actually if we are talking "the Americas".

For many decades archeologists in Brazil have been uncovering Oceanic Negroid sites going back to 50,000 BC. The sites show Mongoloid artifacts to a certain depth(25,000 BC iirc) then there is a shift to what we know as Aboriginals. Not just that but they have also unearthed many skeletal remains that experts agree are Negro and carbon dated to the same time frame. It's been argued back and forth about smoking gun evidence but just a few years ago, Harvard and another university in Siberia did the gene research on first nations and there was the marker at the same time frame as the other discoveries. Also confirmed was gene samples from the area of origin(Central Siberia) for todays "First Nations" did not show this marker in that time frame so they didnt already have it upon arrival. Seems pretty obvious.

Still hotly debated if this is now in fact the smoking gun. The only real argument against it is that 50,000 years ago, Siberians brought slaves to America and didnt breed with them until they arrived. That's a pretty weak argument considering Oceanics populated every where else that far south in the world including countless Islands. They were sea travelers that far back... we know this for certain. There is actually no hard evidence of Siberians in America going back 50,000 years. You can't demand a smoking gun for one claim then dismiss it in counter argument. One thing is for certain.... it's far from "undisputable" that todays "First Nations" were the very first Americans.

Think about it this way. What is the smoking gun proof that no culture/race were here before them? There is none. It would be a unwinnable argument. On the other hand, there is mounting evidence of it otherwise. The idea we hold onto was introduced by ignorant Europeans a couple of centuries ago who had no real scientific evidence to back this claim up yet we treat this idea as undisputable. It's not a stretch that at least a small population of these people flourished in South America for 25,000 years like the rest of the southern reaches of the Southern hemisphere. More plausible than Siberians 50k years ago ending up where Brazil is today and with black slaves.
- boonerbuck

Sure, but that’s not what I was talking about. I was only referring to the literal terms “indigenous” and “nations”.

Sure, there may have been visitors to the North and South continents before the Clovis migration. Not going to dispute that. But, a discernible “nation” is harder to prove. The genetic evidence shows that the vast majority of the pre-European peoples in the americas were Asian in origin. Those are the groups that have claimed land rights due to having a discernible established culture, hence the literal term “First Nations” (which is plural). We have no hard evidence that another civilization or population was able to create that same level of definable culture.

Again, we should take this off the main page.

I keep hearing he throws teammates under the bus. Who? Back up these statements. You are very wrong. He has been “the leader” in the room since he was acquired and his teammates love him. I know this for a fact. Sure, pouty and him have a weird relationship but anybody that would be friends with pouty is a ducking freak
- CanuckDon

I mean there are some pretty obvious examples that were covered quite a bit in the media last year.

I also recall multiple interviews before the Boudreau firing where he was asked about his play and his plus minus, his response being he thinks he is playing well. A leader doesn't say he's playing well on a team that is losing, especially when it's obvious from the eye test and the statistics that he's not playing well. His plus minus (yes and Boeser's and OEL) were quite a bit worse than the rest of the team. Like more than just a bad change here or there or flukey goal against.

All that crap aside, to me mainly it's the play on the ice that we can all see. I don't profess to know what he is like outside the rink, but on the actual ice I hate to play with guys like that. Maybe it's not all his fault and he's just asked to do too much or by default of the surrounding cast, tries to do too much. But I see him making selfish plays all the time that put a lot of pressure on the rest of the players on the ice ... and the goalie.

He cares about winning. You don’t know him and have no idea if he cares about his teammates. It’s somewhat ironic that you hate him because he has a spaz once in awhile and complains. Isn’t that what you do on these boards daily?
- CanuckDon

I mean there are some pretty obvious examples that were covered quite a bit in the media last year.

I also recall multiple interviews before the Boudreau firing where he was asked about his play and his plus minus, his response being he thinks he is playing well. A leader doesn't say he's playing well on a team that is losing, especially when it's obvious from the eye test and the statistics that he's not playing well. His plus minus (yes and Boeser's and OEL) were quite a bit worse than the rest of the team. Like more than just a bad change here or there or flukey goal against.

All that crap aside, to me mainly it's the play on the ice that we can all see. I don't profess to know what he is like outside the rink, but on the actual ice I hate to play with guys like that. Maybe it's not all his fault and he's just asked to do too much or by default of the surrounding cast, tries to do too much. But I see him making selfish plays all the time that put a lot of pressure on the rest of the players on the ice ... and the goalie.
- Sayros

Again, no one has examples of him throwing teammates under the bus. Yelling at the backup goalie to get off the ice? Lol that’s suck a non issue. Goalies are creeps and everyone yells at them. Sorry load M

Yeah your not racist




I am sure all those Japanese people will be thrilled to see another Western A hole that thinks they are better than everyone.

If you are so happy why are you on here everyday looking for fights? For the record I could not give a flying fu@k if you were a billionaire or pennyless. I don't know anything about you aside from your ignorance so I guess cleaning toilets has paid out well for you. Enjoy your retirement and with any luck you won't have to hit 70. We all hope you obtain your goals.

For the record Hate Rallies are not really considered event
- VANTEL

Hate rallies?! Such a sensitive man, I thought you guys walked backwards through snow or cornfields on the way to school or some such nonsense. I think Japan will be a great adventure, I’m always respectful when a guest somewhere and so never have issues.

I keep hearing he throws teammates under the bus. Who? Back up these statements. You are very wrong. He has been “the leader” in the room since he was acquired and his teammates love him. I know this for a fact. Sure, pouty and him have a weird relationship but anybody that would be friends with pouty is a ducking freak
- CanuckDon

Really Don? Perhaps you forget.

During that period of time when he had the worse give aways and goals against in the league and the team was showing it on the stats, he claimed that it wasn't his play when asked about it. "I don't think I'm leaving anything out there" was part of the denial regardless of leaving more out there than any other forward in the league.

So the forward with the worse D stats in the league isn't contributing to the worse team D stats in the league? If he thinks none of that is on him(when clearly he stands out for it), then he is putting it on everyone else on the team.

It's rare you see that kind of arrogance from someone struggling as bad as he was. A team leader would talk about playing better not deflecting it onto his team mates only.

Miller is definitely capable of being a leader... until he's not happy then all that is out the window and he shows a astonishing amount of selfishness.