Leafs keep Marner and Nylander.
- Zezel

Except Nylander.

It’s already a done deal.

Order your bottle of copium early, there’s going to be a shortage in Toronto.

Pretty sure they can't offer any contracts to UFAs until July 1st....
- oldstyle

We can sign our pending UFAs - they are under contract until June 30, so we have the right to negotiate with them.

Yeesh, these trade proposals....they do not make me smile.
They seem kinda bad.
Lets keep marner and willi unless we are a getting a star dman back

Pretty sure they can't offer any contracts to UFAs until July 1st....
- oldstyle

The leafs own pending ufas they can.

Yeesh, these trade proposals....they do not make me smile.
They seem kinda bad.
Lets keep marner and willi unless we are a getting a star dman back
- Fakepartofme

Willy’s going to demand 10 million.

Trade him while his value is at its highest, or let him walk for nothing.

Either way the Leafs aren’t winning with players like him.

The coyotes are everywhere in the Humber and Etobicoke creek ravines, and GTA lakeshore, I know that for sure.
- Zezel

I live next to the 401 on the east end. No major parks near me, no forested area near me. There's 2 coyotes regularly seen when I walk my dog late at night. They don't mind me and I don't mind them. I'm just glad my dog is large enough they don't want any part of her.

Although oddly, I've only seen the one this year so maybe the other died over winter.

I'm surprised by how quiet they walk on pavement.

I live next to the 401 on the east end. No major parks near me, no forested area near me. There's 2 coyotes regularly seen when I walk my dog late at night. They don't mind me and I don't mind them. I'm just glad my dog is large enough they don't want any part of her.

Although oddly, I've only seen the one this year so maybe the other died over winter.

I'm surprised by how quiet they walk on pavement.
- Aaron_85

We back onto a ravine near a golf course in Burlington so we get lots of friends in the backyard and neighbourhood - foxes, coyotes, deer occasionally. Weirdest site was a coyote and fox walking down the street pretty much together (they were about 10 feet apart). They got to the corner of a side street and both turned in and continued. It was like they were late to the animal meeting.

Willy’s going to demand 10 million.

Trade him while his value is at its highest, or let him walk for nothing.

Either way the Leafs aren’t winning with players like him.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Dubas isnt here anymore.
He'll get 9- 9.5.
Hes not the reason they keep losing

You're (frank)ing melted if you watched a single playoff game and think what went on and thought Keefe was a plus and Dubas was the problem.

Dubas is the one who added McCabe, Schenn and Acciari, Keefe responded with more Holl.

Jesus christ, watch any of the games. 🤦
- joel878

Oh for (frank)sakes... I actually agree with you on this one.

Willy’s going to demand 10 million.

Trade him while his value is at its highest, or let him walk for nothing.

Either way the Leafs aren’t winning with players like him.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Problem is... if Willy gets moved then would that put enough sand in Auston's entitled vagina named Karen (a la joel/ Stee/ WWE/F) to not sign? Starting to sour on Matthews really.

Problem is... if Willy gets moved then would that put enough sand in Auston's entitled vagina named Karen (a la joel/ Stee/ WWE/F) to not sign? Starting to sour on Matthews really.
- Tee-Dot

Sign am first

Dubas isnt here anymore.
He'll get 9- 9.5.
Hes not the reason they keep losing
- Fakepartofme

He doesn’t deserve Matthew Tkachuk money. Not even close.

Players like him are absolutely the reason they can’t compete for the cup.

He doesn’t deserve Matthew Tkachuk money. Not even close.

Players like him are absolutely the reason they can’t compete for the cup.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

To keep him in Toronto that’s what it will cost. Tkachuk actually takes home about $600K a year more than Marner for instance. Taxation in Ontario: 53.53% and in Florida: 37%

Problem is... if Willy gets moved then would that put enough sand in Auston's entitled vagina named Karen (a la joel/ Stee/ WWE/F) to not sign? Starting to sour on Matthews really.
- Tee-Dot

Willy for Wilson. One for one.

I honestly don’t think Matthews likes Nylander that much. He’d clearly rather play with Marner. Matthews has to do too much of the heavy lifting on defence when he plays with Nylander.

To keep him in Toronto that’s what it will cost. Tkachuk actually takes home about $600K a year more than Marner for instance. Taxation in Ontario: 53.53% and in Florida: 37%
- Dozzer

Yeah but we can’t use the tax situation as a reason to pay lesser players more.

They have to fit everyone under the same cap. Another way of phrasing it would be, “should Willy take up as much of the cap for the Leafs, as Tkachuk does for the Panthers?”

Yeah but we can’t use the tax situation as a reason to pay lesser players more.

They have to fit everyone under the same cap. Another way of phrasing it would be, “should Willy take up as much of the cap for the Leafs, as Tkachuk does for the Panthers?”
- Arctic_AARDVARK

When they sign it’s based on their take home earnings plain and simple. Marner sat out until they were willing to give him a $5 million take home, or do you think the $903K number was what he was after? Lol

Players don’t give a rats ass about what they are as a cap hit until they hit someone like Gio’s age, til then it’s about their earnings.

Expect AM and Nylander will be extended sooner than later.

Expect AM and Nylander will be extended sooner than later.
- Zezel

Thinking the same thing tbh.

Was thinking the core might be a little broken up but now it feels like they’ll run with the same core but with a different approach.

When they sign it’s based on their take home earnings plain and simple. Marner sat out until they were willing to give him a $5 million take home, or do you think the $903K number was what he was after? Lol

Players don’t give a rats ass about what they are as a cap hit until they hit someone like Gio’s age, til then it’s about their earnings.
- Dozzer

I’m not entirely sure what you mean, Doz.

Expect AM and Nylander will be extended sooner than later.
- Zezel

Nylander sign and trade, maybe.

But I’ll bet you he won’t be skating for the Leafs by the time training camp opens in September.

I’m not entirely sure what you mean, Doz.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

The contract amount is pre-taxed.

Therefore what a player has to pay varies by where they live.

For instance, Matthews only gets $750K a year in Toronto at 53.53% taxation and gets the rest as a signing bonus on July 1st while living in Arizona at 39.5% taxation.

Canadian teams pay American players like that a lot. Unfortunately Canadian players don’t have that escape, unless you’re Messier in Vancouver who lived in Washington at the time.

Hence why guys like Marner receive so damn much, because after taxes his take home is a little more than $5 million whereas Tkachuk’s take home in Florida is roughly $5.6 million since he only has a 37% tax rate there.

It’s utter BS and I honestly can’t believe it took me this long to stumble across it. 18 years of cap era, canadian teams only made the finals 3x, twice were the first two years while teams were adjusting, and once while Price stood on his head. Closest team cap wise would be in NY where they’d still have $4.5 million more to offer as a take home… meaning they basically have a $10 million advantage since players don’t have to sign for as much to get what they want to take home.

The contract amount is pre-taxed.

Therefore what a player has to pay varies by where they live.

For instance, Matthews only gets $750K a year in Toronto at 53.53% taxation and gets the rest as a signing bonus on July 1st while living in Arizona at 39.5% taxation.

Canadian teams pay American players like that a lot. Unfortunately Canadian players don’t have that escape, unless you’re Messier in Vancouver who lived in Washington at the time.

Hence why guys like Marner receive so damn much, because after taxes his take home is a little more than $5 million whereas Tkachuk’s take home in Florida is roughly $5.6 million since he only has a 37% tax rate there.

It’s utter BS and I honestly can’t believe it took me this long to stumble across it. 18 years of cap era, canadian teams only made the finals 3x, twice were the first two years while teams were adjusting, and once while Price stood on his head. Closest team cap wise would be in NY where they’d still have $4.5 million more to offer as a take home… meaning they basically have a $10 million advantage since players don’t have to sign for as much to get what they want to take home.
- Dozzer

Thanks for the clarification

The Canadian gov’t should do something about this, somehow. Like, idk, lower or eliminate local, and federal taxes for players under a certain age. Give them some incentive to want to stay playing for a Canadian team.

I still choose to believe the reason why a Canadian team hasn’t won a cup in 30 years has more to do with Bettman, than with taxes. But it certainly doesn’t help.

The contract amount is pre-taxed.

Therefore what a player has to pay varies by where they live.

For instance, Matthews only gets $750K a year in Toronto at 53.53% taxation and gets the rest as a signing bonus on July 1st while living in Arizona at 39.5% taxation.

Canadian teams pay American players like that a lot. Unfortunately Canadian players don’t have that escape, unless you’re Messier in Vancouver who lived in Washington at the time.

Hence why guys like Marner receive so damn much, because after taxes his take home is a little more than $5 million whereas Tkachuk’s take home in Florida is roughly $5.6 million since he only has a 37% tax rate there.

It’s utter BS and I honestly can’t believe it took me this long to stumble across it. 18 years of cap era, canadian teams only made the finals 3x, twice were the first two years while teams were adjusting, and once while Price stood on his head. Closest team cap wise would be in NY where they’d still have $4.5 million more to offer as a take home… meaning they basically have a $10 million advantage since players don’t have to sign for as much to get what they want to take home.
- Dozzer

You're right, but Canadian players to have the option of using retirement tax shelters and deferrals which significantly reduce the taxation amount paid, but it's money that you don't get until you're 55. So Marner's contract is incredibly signing bonus heavy. I wouldn't be surprised to find that he takes a hefty portion of each bonus and allocates it to deferred funds. It doesn't change the that that on the residual he's taxed at 53%.

The take home difference has a lot more to do with money in your pocket now, which is something most people want.

Thanks for the clarification

The Canadian gov’t should do something about this, somehow. Like, idk, lower or eliminate local, and federal taxes for players under a certain age. Give them some incentive to want to stay playing for a Canadian team.

I still choose to believe the reason why a Canadian team hasn’t won a cup in 30 years has more to do with Bettman, than with taxes. But it certainly doesn’t help.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I wish Bettman would just make the cap hit based off take home amounts. Make it a $40 mill take home cap hit or something. But Bettman wants the playoffs to turn out like this, Florida vs Vegas to get more attention down south.

At least Canadian teams have the damn window with American players. Let’s say Matthews wants a take home of $8 million next contract, in Toronto he plays for $750K and gets the rest as a signing bonus while in Arizona… makes him roughly a $14 mill cap hit whereas if he was fully taxed in Canada they’d have to pay him roughly $17.25 million.

Dubas isnt here anymore.
He'll get 9- 9.5.
Hes not the reason they keep losing
- Fakepartofme

I find this kinda funny. Isn't Dubas the one who gave him his now great value contract? Like why does he get poop on for it being a bad contract and at the same poop on for when it's a good value contract?