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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 9 @ 9:07 AM ET
I still believe it would be a huge mistake for the Flyers to trade Hart. However he is their best asset to move this rebuild forward. I would not trade Hart unless I was getting something huge back, for example say Anheim's 2nd overall pick or Columbus' 3rd overall pick. It really has to move the needle forward significantly on the rebuild for me to consider trading Hart.
- jd250

he is not thier best asset. TK is the best asset.

2nd overall pick for Hart lol. Wow thats funny.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 9 @ 9:07 AM ET
Proven by the many Cups that Tkachuk has won!

- MJL


Guy's team is currently behind in the finals and yet he's a better player than McDavid. What is going on
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 9 @ 9:07 AM ET
the best teams take numerous cracks at it to win the cup, McDavid is no different. Making a decision on one run is not a great way to build a team. Love MT's game but I take McDavid 100 out of 100 times
- wcorvette

And it’s not close…McDavid is the worlds best player.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 9 @ 9:08 AM ET
McDavid had 20 points in 12 games in this year's playoffs. Give McDavid a goalie that is playing at Bob's level and he is in the finals as well.
- mickel25


If McJesus just hit and fought the Oilers would win all the Cups.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 9 @ 9:09 AM ET
If he is that good, and he might be….why would the Ducks ever entertain a trade? They are in the same spot as the Flyers, with maybe a few more young pieces already in place. They are rebuilding.
- landros 2



Here is the thing, they wont.

But we gotta talk about something. In the next few days hopefully our discussion moves over to who we should take at #7 and #22.

And Maybe it morphs again if Briere can use that #22 to swing a deal with a roster player to move even higher.


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 9 @ 9:09 AM ET
While losing Provorov will hurt the team, it was the right move with all the factors involved. It is encouraging and a sign that the team understands what it has to do. Hextall knew what had to be done but needed to be executed better. So having the right plan is only half the battle.
- MJL

Always have to bring your dad Saint Ronnie into the conversation. So sickening.

He was a bad GM accept get over it and move on Cliff
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 9 @ 9:12 AM ET
Here is the thing, they wont.

But we gotta talk about something. In the next few days hopefully our discussion moves over to who we should take at #7 and #22.

And Maybe it morphs again if Briere can use that #22 to swing a deal with a roster player to move even higher.

- MBFlyerfan

I prefer he acquire another pick in the 1st rd. Or at least the 2nd. I bet some guys "fall" in the draft.
landros 2
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 9 @ 9:14 AM ET
I prefer he acquire another pick in the 1st rd. Or at least the 2nd. I bet some guys "fall" in the draft.
- hello it's me 2050

Agreed….I’m hoping if they do move on from Hart or TK, it involves a 2023 1rst rnd pick.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 9 @ 9:15 AM ET
Always have to bring your dad Saint Ronnie into the conversation. So sickening.

He was a bad GM accept get over it and move on Cliff

- hello it's me 2050

He meant well, just bad execution 😂
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jun 9 @ 9:15 AM ET
I prefer he acquire another pick in the 1st rd. Or at least the 2nd. I bet some guys "fall" in the draft.
- hello it's me 2050


I agree. Get as many picks as possible for this draft. Especially the first round. The cost to move up will be extraordinary. I do not think moving into the top 3 is realistic for the Flyers.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 9 @ 9:15 AM ET
I prefer he acquire another pick in the 1st rd. Or at least the 2nd. I bet some guys "fall" in the draft.
- hello it's me 2050



That is my thinking.

My hope is that maybe Hayes can get you back a 2nd this year. Maybe you can get another 1st for Hart or possibly Konecny if they go that route.

There could also be another guy that gets moved we never thought about or thought they would move.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 9 @ 9:17 AM ET
What it shows that you need to learn is that playoff performance can vary from year to year. Put McDavid on Florida or another good team like Carolina. What happens?
- MJL

Honestly, I don't think he wins. He is just not tough enough to win when the series get down down to the semi's and finals.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 9 @ 9:19 AM ET
Always have to bring your dad Saint Ronnie into the conversation. So sickening.

He was a bad GM accept get over it and move on Cliff

- hello it's me 2050

Wait, he did admit that Hextall did not execute well enough, so that's something
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 9 @ 9:19 AM ET
Agreed….I’m hoping if they do move on from Hart or TK, it involves a 2023 1rst rnd pick.
- landros 2

Yes, and it has to be a top 10 pick for me to consider moving either one of them.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 9 @ 9:21 AM ET
If McJesus just hit and fought the Oilers would win all the Cups.
- Tomahawk

Or how about just playing as well as Tkachuk does when it matters the most!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 9 @ 9:21 AM ET
Agreed….I’m hoping if they do move on from Hart or TK, it involves a 2023 1rst rnd pick.
- landros 2

I really like Gavin Brindley and have made that known. Good chance he is there at 22, though obviously no idea what they think of him. He may also be the type that drops a little.

Harts value I am all over the place. Really don't know what to expect if he is moved.
Laceemup88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.26.2018

Jun 9 @ 9:21 AM ET
Believe it or not, I think I would rather have Fantilli than any other player in this draft class, including Bedard. The way I look at it is Bedard is MacDavid, Fantilli is Tkachuk, and I would rather have Tkachuk and win playoff series.
- jd250


I agree with the first part of this post. Just a feeling he might be a warrior. Although I wouldn’t feel slighted if left with Bedard. Wouldn’t it be wild, if say, Chicago thought more of Fantilli. Would they have the stones to do the unthinkable? Guess that’s what makes it interesting and fun for us.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 9 @ 9:22 AM ET
Wait, he did admit that Hextall did not execute well enough, so that's something
- jd250
yeah didn't fail, just didn't execute.

while Cliff wont admit it I have no doubt he wants to see the 3 headed monster fail. Pained him seeing Danny make a good trade.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 9 @ 9:23 AM ET
he is not thier best asset. TK is the best asset.

2nd overall pick for Hart lol. Wow thats funny.

- hello it's me 2050

well, that is where I disagree with many of you on this forum. I think Hart is a true franchise goalie and there are very few legitimate franchise goalies in this league. Thus in my mind that makes his the Flyers top asset. TK is right behind though, a legitimate first line winger with 40+ goal potential.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 9 @ 9:24 AM ET
well, that is where I disagree with many of you on this forum. I think Hart is a true franchise goalie and there are very few legitimate franchise goalies in this league. Thus in my mind that makes his the Flyers top asset. TK is right behind though, a legitimate first line winger with 40+ goal potential.
- jd250

what you think and what is reality differ. TK holds much more value in a trade.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 9 @ 9:24 AM ET
yeah didn't fail, just didn't execute.

while Cliff wont admit it I have no doubt he wants to see the 3 headed monster fail. Pained him seeing Danny make a good trade.

- hello it's me 2050

100%
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 9 @ 9:25 AM ET
yeah didn't fail, just didn't execute.

while Cliff wont admit it I have no doubt he wants to see the 3 headed monster fail. Pained him seeing Danny make a good trade.

- hello it's me 2050

I think MJL wants what we all want, for the Flyers to be relevant again, for them to not try to continue to band-aid and quick patch something but to grow a real team that can contend for years to come. My favorite team was the 80's team with Mike Keenan because that team was home grown and was able to legitimately contend for several years, and if it were not for injuries would have won at least 1 cup.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 9 @ 9:25 AM ET
Honestly, I don't think he wins. He is just not tough enough to win when the series get down down to the semi's and finals.
- jd250


Seriously? He's just not tough enough?

You don't think he wins but Tkachuk is the player you need to win the cup. Based on all the cups that Tkachuk has won.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 9 @ 9:26 AM ET
Wait, he did admit that Hextall did not execute well enough, so that's something
- jd250


If you or anyone else wants to litigate the Hextall era again. We can do that.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 9 @ 9:27 AM ET
100%
- ClaudeFather

that is my opinion, not a fact however!!!!
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