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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 3:42 PM ET
He only has a year left and the cap is going up next summer. He would have to sign an early extension with the Flyers or another team that he's traded to, to do that.
- Feanor


He's eligible on July 1 2023 to sign an extension. It's likely he has a new sheet of paper signed before the season starts.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 8 @ 3:45 PM ET
He's eligible on July 1 2023 to sign an extension. It's likely he has a new sheet of paper signed before the season starts.
- Tomahawk

Right, but he’s not signing for $5M. If a team traded for him, they are going to give him a deal. And it’s going to be for more money than those guys you listed got. The cap is going up.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 8 @ 3:45 PM ET
He's eligible on July 1 2023 to sign an extension. It's likely he has a new sheet of paper signed before the season starts.
- Tomahawk

If he isn't traded and the flyers have their way 8 years.

The only incentive for Hart to sign now is the cash, mind you a big incentive. There is no rush on his end imo. If he wants to win he doesn't sign just yet.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 8 @ 3:47 PM ET
Right, but he’s not signing for $5M. If a team traded for him, they are going to give him a deal. And it’s going to be for more money than those guys you listed got. The cap is going up.
- ClaudeFather


If he signed with Philly for $5m they would have two $5m goalies signed for 2024-25.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 8 @ 3:48 PM ET
If he signed with Philly for $5m they would have two $5m goalies signed for 2024-25.
- Feanor

Lol
Hopefully they trade him
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 3:50 PM ET
If he signed with Philly for $5m they would have two $5m goalies signed for 2024-25.
- Feanor


Hart could go to arbitration w/ his career .906 SV% and he'd be lucky to even get $5M.

Never seen such a huge disconnect between a guy's actual play and his perceived trade/contract value before.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Jun 8 @ 3:52 PM ET
Hart could go to arbitration w/ his career .906 SV% and he'd be lucky to even get $5M.

Never seen such a huge disconnect between a guy's actual play and his perceived trade/contract value before.

- Tomahawk


goalies never seem to fetch as much i will say. for some reason everyone seems to be super high on the kid though.

what do you think a tk return could be. guessing not as much as the schenn trade years ago, but close to it.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 8 @ 3:54 PM ET
Hart could go to arbitration w/ his career .906 SV% and he'd be lucky to even get $5M.

Never seen such a huge disconnect between a guy's actual play and his perceived trade/contract value before.

- Tomahawk

Jack Campbell, any of those names you
Mentioned…all guys that got paid with next
To no sustained good hockey . Campbell had what a season and a half of hockey and got $5M with term
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 8 @ 3:57 PM ET
I thought Jake and G were elite?
- bradster

And coots. ~mjl coots is elite #1c that you absolutely resign and build around
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 3:58 PM ET
what do you think a tk return could be. guessing not as much as the schenn trade years ago, but close to it.
- Peter Richards


I could actually see TK going for 2 low 1sts if they take back a Lehtera type contract.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 8 @ 4:06 PM ET
Hart could go to arbitration w/ his career .906 SV% and he'd be lucky to even get $5M.

Never seen such a huge disconnect between a guy's actual play and his perceived trade/contract value before.

- Tomahawk


For one or two years he might only get $5m in arbitration. But I don't think they just look at career SV% and nothing else.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 4:30 PM ET
For one or two years he might only get $5m in arbitration. But I don't think they just look at career SV% and nothing else.
- Feanor


What else is there?

I guess they could try to submit his numbers from Everett/Team Canada
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 8 @ 4:53 PM ET
Foolish.
- MJL


You’re talking about handing over the opportunity to have 2 firsts and 2 seconds minimally for konecny and hart. Probably more. Not to mention giving up the 7. Yea foolish
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 8 @ 4:53 PM ET
I could be be talked into it. I mean I figure the Flyers are losing Hart regardless. 2 instead of 7. Fantilli over TK. Flyers still have the 22nd pick. When you break it into segments it makes sense.
- Pelle31Forever

Exactly. this is under the assumption fantilli is THAT kind of prospect. I’ll defer to others who follow outside of the nhl on that one. But if he is, this hypothetical represents the flyers best chance to get what they need the most which is a top level talent at the forward position
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 8 @ 5:05 PM ET
Exactly. this is under the assumption fantilli is THAT kind of prospect. I’ll defer to others who follow outside of the nhl on that one. But if he is, this hypothetical represents the flyers best chance to get what they need the most which is a top level talent at the forward position
- stayinthefnnet


I could be wrong but the one who seems to be the closest to the talent of Bedard is actually Michkov i believe. He's just Russian.

THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 8 @ 5:12 PM ET
Hart and Konecny are worth a lot

seems like a waste of their value to use them to move up in a deep draft when we've already got two picks in the top 22

- Coburns_Nose

So is Coburns 👃 🤥 nose! Worth a lot!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 5:24 PM ET
You’re talking about handing over the opportunity to have 2 firsts and 2 seconds minimally for konecny and hart. Probably more. Not to mention giving up the 7. Yea foolish
- Just5


Yes, it is foolish. 2 firsts which likely would not be high firsts and two seconds to draft a player with the 2nd overall pick with the real potential to be an elite player. It's a no brainer. The only thing that bothers me is the Flyers past luck with the 2nd overall.


Would you trade two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders for a young Auston Matthews or Nathan McKinnon?
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 8 @ 5:40 PM ET
Craig Button says the market for Hart won't become clear until the Parliamentary Committee report on the 2018 Junior team is made public and any discipline ,if forthcoming, is handed out by the league.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 8 @ 5:51 PM ET
Yes, it is foolish. 2 firsts which likely would not be high firsts and two seconds to draft a player with the 2nd overall pick with the real potential to be an elite player. It's a no brainer. The only thing that bothers me is the Flyers past luck with the 2nd overall.


Would you trade two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders for a young Auston Matthews or Nathan McKinnon?

- MJL

Fantilli would be 3rd option at best behind bedard michkov. Is fantilli that level? If so then yes maybe give all that up. If any doubt probably shouldn’t risk all those assets
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 8 @ 5:53 PM ET
Craig Button says the market for Hart won't become clear until the Parliamentary Committee report on the 2018 Junior team is made public and any discipline ,if forthcoming, is handed out by the league.
- Sinisalo4vr

They know who was involved. If hart wasn’t involved it would be made known to teams
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 6:04 PM ET
Fantilli would be 3rd option at best behind bedard michkov. Is fantilli that level? If so then yes maybe give all that up. If any doubt probably shouldn’t risk all those assets
- SMS4016


It's possible that when all is said and done that Michkov turns out to be the more talented player, but right now Fantilli is considered the better prospect.

He's worth just about anything the Flyers could realistically pay.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 8 @ 6:06 PM ET
They know who was involved. If hart wasn’t involved it would be made known to teams
- SMS4016

Button said that no one knows at this point.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 8 @ 6:07 PM ET
Why are the Ducks trading the 2nd overall pick from their rebuild to get a bunch of stuff not good enough for the flyers rebuild?
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jun 8 @ 6:07 PM ET
It's possible that when all is said and done that Michkov turns out to be the more talented player, but right now Fantilli is considered the better prospect.

He's worth just about anything the Flyers could realistically pay.

- Tomahawk

If it included Gauthier that might get them close.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jun 8 @ 6:10 PM ET
It's possible that when all is said and done that Michkov turns out to be the more talented player, but right now Fantilli is considered the better prospect.

He's worth just about anything the Flyers could realistically pay.

- Tomahawk

Yeah that’s how I view it too.
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