Fantilli's 200-foot game would really help to take some of the edge off of Zegras and Terry's more adventurous tendencies. I think the three of them would make a sick sick line.
- Tomahawk

I personally think Fantilli and McTavish would work well together. Very much what Pitt does with Crosby and Malkin, fill in the holes on each and when needed put them together.

My theory for an unlikely trade up for the Flyers is SJ @ 4. #7, #22 and other assets. I doubt Briere would part with his 1 st rdrs next season. If they believe there are 4 can t miss studs, SJ is the most realistic trade partner. Arguably the Sharks have a worst forward group then the Ducks right now. Maybe Grier wants to replenish his roster with as many picks as possible. I do believe the hype Briere wants to move up, but ultimately he can t find a partner.q

I don't see why Anaheim would even consider it trading #2 for anything we have. They need transformational talent as much as we do.

Also, they're tied to Gibson for 4 more years at 6.4M. They'd need to do something about that if they were to acquire Hart as a long-term option.
- atibus

They won't. Which tells us that the Flyers should make that deal if it's offered.

An ELC is 3 years. With Fantilli. You will know in 3 years what kind of contract to pay him.
- MJL

What do the Flyers have in Farabee? He's making 5m and I still don't know. They can't keep that pattern up.

Bill,

Will Foerster definitely be on the Flyers at the start of the year in your opinion?
- rmedaska

Yes

What do the Flyers have in Farabee? He's making 5m and I still don't know. They can't keep that pattern up.
- Glak18

Farabee was a later first round pick who has had injury issues. He wasn't a potential elite player when drafted.

if the ask for #2 is TK, Hart and #7 do you do it?
- black_francis

Respectfully decline.

There is a flip side. Won't likely win the cup with Konecny and Hart leading the way. Good players but the Flyers have been able to develop good players. They need elite players.
- MJL

the point was what else we could get for them in a trade. with additional picks we have greater probabilities of getting elite players.

I wonder if Anaheim would consider moving to #3 if the package was right... Or is Fantilli just worth so much more than Carlsson / Smith / Reinbacher / Michkov.

Maybe then you could swing something with Columbus to move up, and then to Anaheim. That's a lot of speculation though.

What do you all think Hart's next contract looks like?
- Dkos

Honestly it's probably going to end up some other team's problem.

Yes, potentially. But I look at it as getting a franchise #1 center who becomes the centerpiece of your rebuild going forward.
- MBFlyerfan

maybe, but then the question is would anahiem do the deal?

Probably the 4x5/5x5 goalie contract that seems to be the standard right now (Ullmark, Saros, Elvis, Kuemper, Campbell, Lehner, Demko, etc).

Wouldn't be surprised if he'd bet on himself and signed shorter term tho... positioning himself for UFA when the cap goes up, like Gavrikov did.
- Tomahawk

flyers will give him their usual 8 year max deal.

If you were Hart would you want to re-sign and waste your years in a "rebuild"? Maybe he plays out his RFA years on 1 year deals.

They won't. Which tells us that the Flyers should make that deal if it's offered.
- MJL

whats your take on the Ivan trade? Did Danny do well in your opinion?

Farabee was a later first round pick who has had injury issues. He wasn't a potential elite player when drafted.
- MJL

You're missing the point, the Flyers have been killing themselves paying these contract and not getting good value out of them.

I'm really not debating whether Fantilli is going to be a stud in the NHL, I personally believe he will be, but that still doesn't mean anyone can absolutely guarantee he will be.

Eichel is a perfect example, sure he is in the stanley cup finals now and has had a decent career, but is he really worth 10 million? Just think about when he signed that contract and if people could look in to the future do you think they would still pay him that much? How many players would you rather pay 10m on cap over Eichel?

You're missing the point, the Flyers have been killing themselves paying these contract and not getting good value out of them.

I'm really not debating whether Fantilli is going to be a stud in the NHL, I personally believe he will be, but that still doesn't mean anyone can absolutely guarantee he will be.

Eichel is a perfect example, sure he is in the stanley cup finals now and has had a decent career, but is he really worth 10 million? Just think about when he signed that contract and if people could look in to the future do you think they would still pay him that much? How many players would you rather pay 10m on cap over Eichel?
- Glak18

Stay off the weeeeeduhh

Here's my silly season suggestion:

To ANA:
- #3 from CLB
- #22 from PHI
- Carter Hart

To CLB:
- #7 from PHI
- Kevin Hayes (no retention)
- Travis Konecny

To PHI:
- #2 from ANA
- #34 from CLB
- Erik Gudbranson

the point was what else we could get for them in a trade. with additional picks we have greater probabilities of getting elite players.
- Peter Richards

No they don't. You missed the point again. Trading Konecny or Hart in separate deals will not fetch the players an elite player. Unless they got lucky with a late first draft pick. In the hypothetical, trading Hart, Konecny and the #7 for the #2, which we all know is not realistic. Would be the best chance for the Flyers to get an elite player. Trading those players in separate deals would give them less probability to get an elite player. Not greater.

You're missing the point, the Flyers have been killing themselves paying these contract and not getting good value out of them.

I'm really not debating whether Fantilli is going to be a stud in the NHL, I personally believe he will be, but that still doesn't mean anyone can absolutely guarantee he will be.

Eichel is a perfect example, sure he is in the stanley cup finals now and has had a decent career, but is he really worth 10 million? Just think about when he signed that contract and if people could look in to the future do you think they would still pay him that much? How many players would you rather pay 10m on cap over Eichel?
- Glak18

No, I didn't miss the point. You're trying to inject the Farabee situation in to try and support your opinion and the contract side of it. Which is frankly absurd. My point, which you apparently didn't get is that in 3 years of play under an ELC. There will be enough of a sample to know what kind of contract a player like Fantilli can command. The Farabee or Eichel situation does not change that. There is always risk involved with getting into long term deals with young players.

I personally think Fantilli and McTavish would work well together. Very much what Pitt does with Crosby and Malkin, fill in the holes on each and when needed put them together.
- Glak18

Yeah, just not sure they see Zegras in the middle long term. They already have to use Henrique with him to take FO's and handle the defensive aspects. Fantilli would be a huge upgrade over Henrique on that line.

Whereas a guy like TK would just give them yet another forward that's a defensive liability. Terry, Vatrano, Strome and Zegras are already all so bad. TK would just be more gas on that defensive tire fire.

Just don't think Anaheim is the best trading partner.

No they don't. You missed the point again. Trading Konecny or Hart in separate deals will not fetch the players an elite player. Unless they got lucky with a late first draft pick. In the hypothetical, trading Hart, Konecny and the #7 for the #2, which we all know is not realistic. Would be the best chance for the Flyers to get an elite player. Trading those players in separate deals would give them less probability to get an elite player. Not greater.
- MJL

speculation, no facts. again. having additional picks gives you a higher probabiltiy. fact, not opinion. trading you best two trade chips to move up 5 spots during a rebuild would not be smart imo. just bc they are high picks does not mean they will be elite. now fantilli will probably be an elite player. but could also have a career ending injury. then what? Still need the team around him. we have two first round picks next year and also have a chance at getting a high pick. Also, are all the elite players in the league only selected in the top 3. no they are not. in this case don't put all your best eggs in one basket.

Respectfully decline.
- Pelle31Forever

That’s tough. I think you jump on that though, if the prevailing sentiment is that absent this being a crazy bedard year then he would be a sure fire number one in most years.

I think TK has a good bit of value. Easily a mid first and some other pieces.

Hart, I’m not trying to ruffle feathers but I just don’t see the large asset value in return being there. Maybe I’m wrong but there really isn’t past history to show that. He’s not irrelevant, but not something that would make me ultimately walk away from the table to do what needs to be done to get the 2nd overall.

Even if Fantilli turns out to be Auston matthews I still wouldn’t do it

That is my pick at 7, unless Michkov is out there, my other wild cards are Barlow, and Leonard.

I know its risky to go for Michkov but i cant help but look at the Wild and see how one player has transformed there team.
- Flyerloon

If Michkov falls to 7 the Flyers need to grab him for 2 reasons. According to all the experts he’s the BPA by far at that spot, and it keeps him from playing for a division rival. I don’t want to have Flyers remorse 4 years from now when Michkov is lighting us up every game.

If Michkov falls to 7 the Flyers need to grab him for 2 reasons. According to all the experts he’s the BPA by far at that spot, and it keeps him from playing for a division rival. I don’t want to have Flyers remorse 4 years from now when Michkov is lighting us up every game.
- mikeyo27

Well done.

speculation, no facts. again. having additional picks gives you a higher probabiltiy. fact, not opinion. trading you best two trade chips to move up 5 spots during a rebuild would not be smart imo. just bc they are high picks does not mean they will be elite. now fantilli will probably be an elite player. but could also have a career ending injury. then what? Still need the team around him. we have two first round picks next year and also have a chance at getting a high pick. Also, are all the elite players in the league only selected in the top 3. no they are not. in this case don't put all your best eggs in one basket.
- Peter Richards

The entire premise is a hypothetical and you're posting that it's speculation and no facts. LMAO It is not a fact that having more additional picks would give you a higher probability to getting an elite player. You are wrong. Having 3 later first round picks would not give you a higher probability of getting an elite player than having the 2nd overall pick. If your two best trade chips are a borderline 1st/2nd line winger and a solid starting goalie then you absolutely deal those players and the 7th for an elite prospect. You would be an idiot not to. The comment that all elite players weren't chosen in the top 3 does not mean you pass up the 2nd overall in that deal. It would not be putting all your eggs in one basket as the Flyers still have other picks. They need elite talent.