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Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm a figment of your imagination.
Joined: 11.09.2006

Jun 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
No Vilardi no Turcotte please!

Jets should really be doing all they can to get a stud Dman or stud D prospect in these dealings

Clarke on LA
Maillioux or Guhle on Mtl
Dobson on NYI would be a great fit
Columbus has 2-3 blue chip D prospects
Nemec on NJD
Edvisson on Det

Be bold and land one of these guys

- jjonah

Not happening, he's not getting moved.
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 23 @ 2:22 PM ET
Don’t disagree, 99.9% chance Guhle doesn’t move but I still believe anything possible.

Be bold is what I said, sometimes that appears to be an overpayment and sometimes it’s just being aggressive.

Jets brain trust of Chevy and Zinger are AHL tested and frankly this summer could be over their heads
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 23 @ 3:03 PM ET
Mercer, Clarke, Nemec, these guys just won't be available for the likes of Dubois or Hellebuyck imo.

They MIGHT be able to get Byfield in a Dubois trade since the Kings would be acquiring a long term center, have a plethora of other centers in their system and Byfield's stock has dropped.

I expect the Dubois and Hellebuyck trades to look like better versions of the Copp trade.

- JetFuel


So what you are saying is, we are about to get Pionk’d!
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 23 @ 3:24 PM ET
Poink’d real proper like

Quantity over quality is the prediction

Of course Jets are in this situation with a very weak free agent class, most teams hugging the cap, lots of goalies on the market and draft where picks are gold

It will be what it is but I’m guessing our 2nd and 3rd lines will get a boost that’s about it

grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 24 @ 5:40 PM ET
Poink’d real proper like

Quantity over quality is the prediction

Of course Jets are in this situation with a very weak free agent class, most teams hugging the cap, lots of goalies on the market and draft where picks are gold

It will be what it is but I’m guessing our 2nd and 3rd lines will get a boost that’s about it

- jjonah



See LA is clearing space out (Durzi) and getting a 2023 2nd rd'er which the Jets might want.

H-m-m-m? Maybe something like a Vilardi (or Byfield), Iafallo (or Arvidsson), Clarke (or Pinelli) and a 2nd - for PLD and Heinola would work????
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 24 @ 6:02 PM ET
My gut tells me Clarke is going to be a stud and worth going after.
6’2”+ RHD with great hands

I hope we nail one of these trades.

Scheifele to Boston is getting legs
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 24 @ 9:09 PM ET
My gut tells me Clarke is going to be a stud and worth going after.
6’2”+ RHD with great hands

I hope we nail one of these trades.

Scheifele to Boston is getting legs

- jjonah




Agree with both opinions!

Clarke should almost be the #1 target on LA, but of course we need one of Byfield/Vilardi as well. Plus Iafallo or Arvidsson for LA cap purposes.

Think Scheifele to Boston makes a whole lot of sense, but probably after July 1st. He can then be extended and bring a better return.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jun 25 @ 11:42 AM ET
So what you are saying is, we are about to get Pionk’d!
- TheUltimateJet


Well I don't dislike Pionk like many here do but yeah I do think the Jets are gonna get Pionk'd so to speak.

The PLD to LA rumor is just hard to believe due to LA's biggest need being a goalie but maybe it has legs Idk.

I think that Pionk was just a throw in by NY as they weren't going to qualify him and they gave the Jets their 1st round pick back for Trouba cause these GMs aren't looking to royally screw another one over, at the last minute Trouba backed Chevy into a corner and said he'd only go to the Rangers, who knows what the other teams that were in on Trouba offered, the Pens said they thought their offer was better, who knows if that's true but it makes me wonder.

If Dubois gets to the point where he says its Montreal or nothing then any last bit of leverage the Jets have is gone and they'll have to take what the Habs offer which will probably be similar to the Copp trade.

Hopefully I'll be wrong but getting Dach or Clarke for Dubois just isn't happening imo, prepare to be disappointed.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jun 25 @ 12:21 PM ET
My gut tells me Clarke is going to be a stud and worth going after.
6’2”+ RHD with great hands

I hope we nail one of these trades.

Scheifele to Boston is getting legs

- jjonah


I agree to Clarke over Byfield. Ultimately the Jets should be doing a quick rebuild and part of that process is top draft picks , so guys like Clarke , or Montreal's 5th pick, etc should be prime targets for Chevy . While a few players like Morrissey and Ehlers obviously didn't want to see a rebuild it ended up being Dubios and Helle that essentially forced that issue.

I think fans may be just as or more excited to come to the rink and watch some top new talent as opposed to a mediocre attempt to keep the team playoff-level competitive. Heck if we could get Mtl's 5th pick then I'd be all in on Michkov. Yes , possible a three-year wait for a guy nearly as talented as Bedard, however, I'd bet the Washington Caps would immediately react and make a sweetheart trade to grab him back .
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 25 @ 12:54 PM ET
I agree to Clarke over Byfield. Ultimately the Jets should be doing a quick rebuild and part of that process is top draft picks , so guys like Clarke , or Montreal's 5th pick, etc should be prime targets for Chevy . While a few players like Morrissey and Ehlers obviously didn't want to see a rebuild it ended up being Dubios and Helle that essentially forced that issue.

I think fans may be just as or more excited to come to the rink and watch some top new talent as opposed to a mediocre attempt to keep the team playoff-level competitive. Heck if we could get Mtl's 5th pick then I'd be all in on Michkov. Yes , possible a three-year wait for a guy nearly as talented as Bedard, however, I'd bet the Washington Caps would immediately react and make a sweetheart trade to grab him back .

- jetsnation



The only reasons to keep these guys is if the Jets see themselves winning a cup in the next 3-4 years. If not, I am hoping that they are also traded. Morrissey will bring in a gigantic haul based on the last season. And, Ehlers is becoming injury prone. I would throw out Lowry as well. I was pleased to see he had a great playoff and think that he could at minimum fetch a first round pick.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 1:38 PM ET
I agree to Clarke over Byfield. Ultimately the Jets should be doing a quick rebuild and part of that process is top draft picks , so guys like Clarke , or Montreal's 5th pick, etc should be prime targets for Chevy . While a few players like Morrissey and Ehlers obviously didn't want to see a rebuild it ended up being Dubios and Helle that essentially forced that issue.

I think fans may be just as or more excited to come to the rink and watch some top new talent as opposed to a mediocre attempt to keep the team playoff-level competitive. Heck if we could get Mtl's 5th pick then I'd be all in on Michkov. Yes , possible a three-year wait for a guy nearly as talented as Bedard, however, I'd bet the Washington Caps would immediately react and make a sweetheart trade to grab him back .

- jetsnation


The Jets will never get a chance to do a faster "partial rebuild" than they will now. I agree, get some young players and what picks they can, and they will certainly be more exciting to watch than the last few years.

It might be a step back next year - but then two steps ahead the following years. What would be really upsetting is if they get some fresh, young blood, and then trade them away for a 29 yr old d-man or forward so that they can compete for 16th spot next season.

Like I said earlier this season, keep Ehlers, Connor, Morrissey, Perfetti, Samberg and perhaps Barron, plus the prospects - and the rest are up for grans. Like to keep Dillon and Lowry too though, to protect the kids.

Michkov? Said to be great talent, but the problem is the Russia factor, and there is no guarantee that he will ever come to play in the NHL. I wouldn't touch him, there are other very good players available. But I think San Jose does at #4, if not the Caps!


BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Jun 25 @ 1:39 PM ET
The only reasons to keep these guys is if the Jets see themselves winning a cup in the next 3-4 years. If not, I am hoping that they are also traded. Morrissey will bring in a gigantic haul based on the last season. And, Ehlers is becoming injury prone. I would throw out Lowry as well. I was pleased to see he had a great playoff and think that he could at minimum fetch a first round pick.
- TheUltimateJet


Agree Ultimate throw Conner in as trade bait also.

Sell off everyone and become the Coyotes for a couple of years and start a full rebuild starting this year. They aren't convincing Ehlers to sign an extension next July and Conner 2 years from now so better to get the prospects from those deals today than in a couple years time.






BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Jun 25 @ 1:47 PM ET
The Jets will never get a chance to do a faster "partial rebuild" than they will now. I agree, get some young players and what picks they can, and they will certainly be more exciting to watch than the last few years.

It might be a step back next year - but then two steps ahead the following years. What would be really upsetting is if they get some fresh, young blood, and then trade them away for a 29 yr old d-man or forward so that they can compete for 16th spot next season.

Like I said earlier this season, keep Ehlers, Connor, Morrissey, Perfetti, Samberg and perhaps Barron, plus the prospects - and the rest are up for grans. Like to keep Dillon and Lowry too though, to protect the kids.

Michkov? Said to be great talent, but the problem is the Russia factor, and there is no guarantee that he will ever come to play in the NHL. I wouldn't touch him, there are other very good players available. But I think San Jose does at #4, if not the Caps!

- grahamzky


Kyle Conner in his exit interview with the media said he wasn't interested in a rebuild this despite the fact he has 3 years left on his contract.

Now 2 months later it looks like the Jets are going to lose their top two centers and their Vezina finalist goalie so you think he has any plans on signing with the Jets in 2 years time. He probably is asking for a trade when he comes to camp in September.


jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 2:21 PM ET
The NHL has a serious problem, now if they care or not is another thing.

You cannot, in pro sports, have 22 and 23 year olds dictating where and when they are playing.

The Canadian teams have major issues today.
Calgary is in worse shape than Winnipeg and it happened fast, DiBrincat on Ottawa says he won’t sit there. In Vancouver they’re a local fears that Elias Petersson won’t do a max 8 year deal.

I don’t mind the big $ skewing to the younger player but cannot have the tail wag the dog in the sports business.

I have 4 season tix with Jets and I’m renewing but I have to say I’m worried if Canadian teams just really don’t have a shot.

* crazy idea…..if Canadian born player has 2 or more Canadian cities on his No Trade list he can’t represent Team Canada lol
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 4:09 PM ET
Kyle Conner in his exit interview with the media said he wasn't interested in a rebuild this despite the fact he has 3 years left on his contract.

Now 2 months later it looks like the Jets are going to lose their top two centers and their Vezina finalist goalie so you think he has any plans on signing with the Jets in 2 years time. He probably is asking for a trade when he comes to camp in September.

- BWJumper


Think it would be a wise idea to keep some of our present players to: 1. show the new guys on the block around; and 2. give fans a reason to go to games. Connor and Ehlers two of our most exciting players.

Besides Connor is only 27 and he and Ehlers might find the "new Jet team" is far more fun and change his mind about staying here, if he is leaning on leaving, which is entirely possible. Like you say, Connor has three years left, if things look bad, deal him at the deadline or next summer. He should still bring a haul.

Some players need to go now, some don't.

Having said all that, I hear what you are saying. I just don't think I'd do it - now.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 25 @ 4:35 PM ET
Think it would be a wise idea to keep some of our present players to: 1. show the new guys on the block around; and 2. give fans a reason to go to games. Connor and Ehlers two of our most exciting players.

Besides Connor is only 27 and he and Ehlers might find the "new Jet team" is far more fun and change his mind about staying here, if he is leaning on leaving, which is entirely possible. Like you say, Connor has three years left, if things look bad, deal him at the deadline or next summer. He should still bring a haul.

Some players need to go now, some don't.

Having said all that, I hear what you are saying. I just don't think I'd do it - now.

- grahamzky



Was this not the logic why we kept Blake Wheeler? All these guys have been captained by Wheeler and look what it supposedly did to Scheifele.

I keep hearing this story about Lowry grabbing Laine and telling him that he better come to team dinner as opposed to going to his room to play video games (that is bullying behaviour). Do we really want that energy for our young players?

Last year I said go all-in with the expectation that this franchise would tear it all down this offseason. I am in the tear it all down camp.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 6:06 PM ET
Was this not the logic why we kept Blake Wheeler? All these guys have been captained by Wheeler and look what it supposedly did to Scheifele.

I keep hearing this story about Lowry grabbing Laine and telling him that he better come to team dinner as opposed to going to his room to play video games (that is bullying behaviour). Do we really want that energy for our young players?

Last year I said go all-in with the expectation that this franchise would tear it all down this offseason. I am in the tear it all down camp.

- TheUltimateJet



We differ - I'm in the "partial rebuild" camp.

Wheeler, Scheif and PLD all need to go, Helle wants to go unfortunately. So good, should get a pretty good haul for those players. Let's see how we look after, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.

Lowry should have grabbed a few other players, might have helped! Either play hard, play to win - or play somewhere else.

Right now I hope the Jets can grab a good, young C with the #18 pick at the draft, or a RD with some size and grit. But that thought could change depending upon who we bring in on deals (I'm assuming we're dealing, starting to wonder).

Would love if rumours are true and we are getting Vilardi, Iafallo + from LA. Some size, skill and grit - Iafallo is under-rated, but obviously not huge scorer. Good players!
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 6:42 PM ET
There really aren’t any Dmen with grit in the first round at all.

Vilardi has had 1 good year and still missed 19 games.
The years before that were “bad back” can’t stay healthy.

If he’s the star of the return it has a chance to be a bad trade. Iaffalo is a decent player, lots of his kind in the league. Kings don’t have a 1st rd pick so there better be something that shocks us
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 25 @ 8:44 PM ET
There really aren’t any Dmen with grit in the first round at all.

Vilardi has had 1 good year and still missed 19 games.
The years before that were “bad back” can’t stay healthy.

If he’s the star of the return it has a chance to be a bad trade. Iaffalo is a decent player, lots of his kind in the league. Kings don’t have a 1st rd pick so there better be something that shocks us

- jjonah


Much rather have Iafallo than Arvidsson, Iafallo kind of reminds me of Niederreiter, a grinder, which you can't have enough of. Villardi is a very good player! Hopefully move to C!

Funny, but draft Villardim as a alternate in my fantasy drafts each year. Guy asked my "why?" I said "because he's big, fairly fast and can score. What's not to like?" I guess the injury situation is a concern but so was P. Bergeron's several years ago.

Anyways, sometimes ya gotta take a chance don't ya? Leaf fans used to criticize the Mats Sundin trade. No SC, but turned out ok, didn't it?

They are now talking Sanheim to the Jets. What do you think of that?
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jun 25 @ 10:40 PM ET
Much rather have Iafallo than Arvidsson, Iafallo kind of reminds me of Niederreiter, a grinder, which you can't have enough of. Villardi is a very good player! Hopefully move to C!

Funny, but draft Villardim as a alternate in my fantasy drafts each year. Guy asked my "why?" I said "because he's big, fairly fast and can score. What's not to like?" I guess the injury situation is a concern but so was P. Bergeron's several years ago.

Anyways, sometimes ya gotta take a chance don't ya? Leaf fans used to criticize the Mats Sundin trade. No SC, but turned out ok, didn't it?

They are now talking Sanheim to the Jets. What do you think of that?

- grahamzky


Where are these Sanheim to the Jets rumors coming from?
jjonah
Location: winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 11:23 PM ET
I would like Sanheim here for sure.

He’d respond to well I think in a change of scenery trade. Underrated player
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 26 @ 7:51 AM ET
Where are these Sanheim to the Jets rumors coming from?
- JetFuel



Not 100% sure now but believe it was on the Illegal Curve hockey show after the Phil-St.L deal fell through.

It was mentioned on there that Philly was turning their Sanheim attention to other teams now including the Wpg Jets. Speculation was Philly would want our 2023 1st rd pick (#18) in return.

Not sure how that proposition might be met by team or fans?
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jun 26 @ 8:07 AM ET
There really aren’t any Dmen with grit in the first round at all.

Vilardi has had 1 good year and still missed 19 games.
The years before that were “bad back” can’t stay healthy.

If he’s the star of the return it has a chance to be a bad trade. Iaffalo is a decent player, lots of his kind in the league. Kings don’t have a 1st rd pick so there better be something that shocks us

- jjonah


Yea probably only quality d-men that might be available to the Jets at #18 are RD Willander or LD Simashevv. A possibility?

Can see the Jets taking one of Stenberg, Yager, Moore (doubtful), or Perreault, Long-shots Sale, and the Swedish centres Edstrom and Wahlberg.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Jun 26 @ 9:06 AM ET
The only reasons to keep these guys is if the Jets see themselves winning a cup in the next 3-4 years. If not, I am hoping that they are also traded. Morrissey will bring in a gigantic haul based on the last season. And, Ehlers is becoming injury prone. I would throw out Lowry as well. I was pleased to see he had a great playoff and think that he could at minimum fetch a first round pick.
- TheUltimateJet


No kidding injury prone. Nik has only played 154 of a possible 246 games in the last three seasons (63% of possible regular season games). Add in 7 playoff games with 3 pts during this period and I am one to say that the Jets should be trying to capitalize on this GREAT asset that Wpg hockey fans adore and love so much.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 26 @ 9:49 AM ET
We differ - I'm in the "partial rebuild" camp.

Wheeler, Scheif and PLD all need to go, Helle wants to go unfortunately. So good, should get a pretty good haul for those players. Let's see how we look after, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.

Lowry should have grabbed a few other players, might have helped! Either play hard, play to win - or play somewhere else.

Right now I hope the Jets can grab a good, young C with the #18 pick at the draft, or a RD with some size and grit. But that thought could change depending upon who we bring in on deals (I'm assuming we're dealing, starting to wonder).

Would love if rumours are true and we are getting Vilardi, Iafallo + from LA. Some size, skill and grit - Iafallo is under-rated, but obviously not huge scorer. Good players!

- grahamzky



We definitely do differ. It seems that the Jets have been doing this “partial rebuild” since they relocated here from, Atlanta. This was the main reason the Jets kept Lawless’s aptly named “Atlanta 5” together, which ironically only one was every traded away to recoup any assets. Now the Atlanta 5 is the Atlanta 1 and it still does not look like we will get any significant assets for him. This strengthens the argument of how poorly Chevy manages assets.

I do admire your optimism in Chevy. After 12 years of this, I actually think the “partial rebuild” should begin in the front office with Chevelallseasonoff getting the axe first.

#firechevy
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