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madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 8 @ 9:27 AM ET
I'd tell Carter to stay at home and collect his check. Mostly because I don't trust Sully to do the right thing. If I knew Sullivan would use him as a spare part when injuries crop up, sure, keep him around. Since he won't want to embarrass Carter with that role, I fully expect to see him given a jersey every night. I'm convinced his scoring touch is gone. Dubas needs to take that decision out of Sully's hands.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 8 @ 9:30 AM ET
I'd tell Carter to stay at home and collect his check. Mostly because I don't trust Sully to do the right thing. If I knew Sullivan would use him as a spare part when injuries crop up, sure, keep him around. Since he won't want to embarrass Carter with that role, I fully expect to see him given a jersey every night. I'm convinced his scoring touch is gone. Dubas needs to take that decision out of Sully's hands.
- madmike71


Yep.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jun 8 @ 9:47 AM ET
I'd tell Carter to stay at home and collect his check. Mostly because I don't trust Sully to do the right thing. If I knew Sullivan would use him as a spare part when injuries crop up, sure, keep him around. Since he won't want to embarrass Carter with that role, I fully expect to see him given a jersey every night. I'm convinced his scoring touch is gone. Dubas needs to take that decision out of Sully's hands.
- madmike71

He scored 12 goals in the hardest league in the world. While being mismanaged greatly.
bchiaro
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 09.20.2008

Jun 8 @ 9:49 AM ET
He scored 12 goals in the hardest league in the world. While being mismanaged greatly.
- Grinder47


How do you expect him to score more when managing him correctly means limiting his ice time or sitting him in the press box for at least half the games?
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 8 @ 9:55 AM ET
How do you expect him to score more when managing him correctly means limiting his ice time or sitting him in the press box for at least half the games?
- bchiaro


hahaha
Brownsoldier
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Altoona
Joined: 06.30.2015

Jun 8 @ 10:10 AM ET
He scored 12 goals in the hardest league in the world. While being mismanaged greatly.
- Grinder47

Ok, coach. How do you manage the black plague aka Jeff Carter. If managed ‘perfectly’ (lol) does he score 25 goals? Are we giving him all the Ozone starts instead of sid or geno? Top PP?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 8 @ 10:25 AM ET
He scored 12 goals in the hardest league in the world. While being mismanaged greatly.
- Grinder47

Dubas needs to contact Elon. I’m sure he could get him a rocket big enough to launch Carter into the sun.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 8 @ 10:28 AM ET
I'd tell Carter to stay at home and collect his check. Mostly because I don't trust Sully to do the right thing. If I knew Sullivan would use him as a spare part when injuries crop up, sure, keep him around. Since he won't want to embarrass Carter with that role, I fully expect to see him given a jersey every night. I'm convinced his scoring touch is gone. Dubas needs to take that decision out of Sully's hands.
- madmike71

The last 20 games or so Sully played him just 8 minutes a game at 5v5. That was second least to Archibald. I don't think Sully is going to give him a jersey or role every night.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Jun 8 @ 10:30 AM ET
Carter is not going to provide value for his contract, need to get beyond the cap hit. I think he will be a productive part of the bottom 6, he just can't be the best player we have there.

Ideally we can stack the 3rd line in FA and have him as the 4RW with a couple young quick guys who can cause some forechecking chaos. He can add 10-15 goals shifting between the 3rd and 4th line, he just doesn't have the speed to carry the play himself anymore.

If he is on the 3rd line, he needs to be the worst, not the best player on it.
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Jun 8 @ 10:40 AM ET
You would rather see Carter in the press box while counting 3 mil against the cap than creating a scenario where he provides secondary scoring whilst being sheltered 5-5?
- Grinder47


Last season Carter had a -16 as a third line center. This was the worst +/- on the team. A third line center should have a +/- closer to zero (at least on a team that is not contending for the Cup). His average TOI was 13:42, which, as you would expect, is noticeably less than any of the forwards on the top two lines. There is just no excuse for this from a third line player.

If he has to play I would like to see him demoted to a fourth line winger, where he will do the least amount of damage.

This coming season he will be one year older. Is there any reason to think he will be better or even equal to last season? Ten years ago he was among the best players in the league. Even five years ago he was a force to be reckoned with. Now he should retire.

Some might say that I overvalue +/- but I think it is important because it shows how responsible the player is defensively. This is especially important on a team with suspect goaltending because when you put suspect goalies in bad situations they tend to give up goals.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 8 @ 10:40 AM ET
Carter is not going to provide value for his contract, need to get beyond the cap hit. I think he will be a productive part of the bottom 6, he just can't be the best player we have there.

Ideally we can stack the 3rd line in FA and have him as the 4RW with a couple young quick guys who can cause some forechecking chaos. He can add 10-15 goals shifting between the 3rd and 4th line, he just doesn't have the speed to carry the play himself anymore.

If he is on the 3rd line, he needs to be the worst, not the best player on it.

- MacPatty

If he waived his NMC to go back to Columbus I’m sure Babcock can revive his career.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 8 @ 11:11 AM ET
Yeah....you're projecting a bit here....

You think Toews is a better player than Malkin?

- MattStrat


I don't think Toews is a better player, I just thought it was hilarious how Ryan Wilson seemed to take the arbitrary list so personally and had to do his daily Toews update for a few months. It's a (frank)ing arbitrary list made by morons.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 8 @ 11:14 AM ET
Dubas needs to contact Elon. I’m sure he could get him a rocket big enough to launch Carter into the sun.
- Feds91Stammer


It's nothing $50,000 and a lead pipe can't handle.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 8 @ 11:25 AM ET
I don't think Toews is a better player, I just thought it was hilarious how Ryan Wilson seemed to take the arbitrary list so personally and had to do his daily Toews update for a few months. It's a (frank)ing arbitrary list made by morons.
- jmatchett383

Just like it’s hilarious you took RWs daily Toews update so personally that you’re still on about it how many years later?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 8 @ 11:27 AM ET
Just like it’s hilarious you took RWs daily Toews update so personally that you’re still on about it how many years later?
- Feds91Stammer


Well I thought it was ridiculous so yes I took note of it.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 8 @ 11:33 AM ET
Dubas needs to contact Elon. I’m sure he could get him a rocket big enough to launch Carter into the sun.
- Feds91Stammer


Cheaper to just shoot him out of earth's gravitational pull, and shoot him into space. Use the savings on a new 3C.
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Jun 8 @ 11:43 AM ET
The cheapest would be to just use hypnotism on him to hypnotize him into thinking that he forgot how to skate and will submit his retirement to the team/league and then to enjoy retirement.

Avery threw his skates into the Hudson when he (thankfully) retired. Maybe also hypnotize Carter into throwing his in one of Pittsburgh's rivers. The part of the Allegheny a little downstream of Washington's Landing is about 40 feet deep (in the middle) and that would be a perfect spot. I have been over many parts of the rivers in a boat with a fish finder and that is the deepest spot that I know of .
Brownsoldier
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Altoona
Joined: 06.30.2015

Jun 8 @ 11:46 AM ET
Well I thought it was ridiculous so yes I took note of it.
- jmatchett383

Kinda like how RW views the list?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 8 @ 11:48 AM ET
Kinda like how RW views the list?
- Brownsoldier


As a fan, I'm more concerned with how he plays rather than whether or not he's placed on some arbitrary list, especially one is broken up into quarters for different eras.
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 8 @ 12:03 PM ET
Maybe Carter gets the Hossa allergy...
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Jun 8 @ 12:33 PM ET
If he waived his NMC to go back to Columbus I’m sure Babcock can revive his career.
- Feds91Stammer


I'm not going to go that far but he did turn back the clock with Lidstrom.
Brownsoldier
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Altoona
Joined: 06.30.2015

Jun 8 @ 1:11 PM ET
It's nothing $50,000 and a lead pipe can't handle.
- jmatchett383

Lmfao. Missed this somehow. If Jack
Johnson wasn’t bought out, RW might have done it for free.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 8 @ 1:43 PM ET
Maybe Carter gets the Hossa allergy...
- burgh4life87

Been saying this since last year. Multiple franchises have proven it’s not hard to medically retire someone. This is the best path forward for Carter.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 8 @ 1:44 PM ET
Been saying this since last year. Multiple franchises have proven it’s not hard to medically retire someone. This is the best path forward for Carter.
- Victoro311

Future Coyote Jeff Carter
burgh4life87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.22.2014

Jun 8 @ 2:08 PM ET
Been saying this since last year. Multiple franchises have proven it’s not hard to medically retire someone. This is the best path forward for Carter.
- Victoro311

Only if he is in on it. I would guess that if you sat him down and explained the situation, he's no longer part of their plan, he might submit a list of teams to get traded to.
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