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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 6 @ 2:35 PM ET
helped out the kings way to much and should have extracted more. Ivan alone should have just got those picks or similar. Then again danny learned under fletcher.
- hello it's me 2050


If he learned from Fletcher he'd be trading a 1st and a 2nd for a defenseman with poor defensive results, not the other way around.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 6 @ 2:35 PM ET
it will come out ivan asked to be moved.

if he didnt the one good thing about this trade is Danny made his own call and didn't listen to torts.

- hello it's me 2050


I thought he did ask to be moved. I think Bill and Charlie have discussed it.


TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 6 @ 2:36 PM ET
Cracks me up that this is all occurring while Jones is still working the SCF
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 6 @ 2:38 PM ET
First and a second coming I’m seeing, nothing official, if so, I’m fine with that trade. Thought just players at first
- ClaudeFather


Danny added salary, so they have less cap to sign other free agents
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 6 @ 2:38 PM ET
Cracks me up that this is all occurring while Jones is still working the SCF
- TobyFlenderson


I am sure Danny and Jonesy talked
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 6 @ 2:38 PM ET
Maybe a little but but I don’t mind the deal. It’s also a great sign of what’s to come
- ClaudeFather

to me ivan warranted the picks on his own or something close to that. Add in the cap dumps, needed more to me. Not great value to me.

hopefully Hart Tk and deathstare are next
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 6 @ 2:39 PM ET
I thought he did ask to be moved. I think Bill and Charlie have discussed it.
- WhiskeyMan
if he did didnt see it
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:39 PM ET
I know I need to be patient and wait for the final trade, but I can't stop thinking that LA has to give up more than just retaining 30% on Provorov to dump 7.5m in Petersen and Walker. There's no way Danny thinks either is worth anything right?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 6 @ 2:40 PM ET




Our new tank commanders
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 6 @ 2:41 PM ET
if he did didnt see it
- hello it's me 2050


It's only been talked about for 5 months. Makes sense that someone who posts on a hockey forum every day of the week wouldn't see it.

https://thelibertyline.co...yers-ivan-provorov-trade/
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 6 @ 2:41 PM ET
I know I need to be patient and wait for the final trade, but I can't stop thinking that LA has to give up more than just retaining 30% on Provorov to dump 7.5m in Petersen and Walker. There's no way Danny thinks either is worth anything right?
- Glak18


Provy is going to Columbus, the 30% is saved by Columbus.
I guess Danny thinks the 1st and 2nd pick are worth it.

Hart must be on the move as well, Cal makes 5 mill a year.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 6 @ 2:41 PM ET
I know I need to be patient and wait for the final trade, but I can't stop thinking that LA has to give up more than just retaining 30% on Provorov to dump 7.5m in Petersen and Walker. There's no way Danny thinks either is worth anything right?
- Glak18

Walker probably a pick at the trade deadline. Cal no way. Zero value. Change of scenery may do Cal well. Curious to see how he performs with the new team.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 6 @ 2:43 PM ET
It's only been talked about for 5 months. Makes sense that someone who post on a hockey forum every day of the week wouldn't see it.

https://www.google.com/se...&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

- Feanor

where in that article does it say he has asked to be traded? did i miss it?

it hasnt been said at any time ivan has asked out. If you have anything showing or saying he did please share. otherwise go back to hf boards curuf
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:43 PM ET
Helge Grans

https://dobberprospects.com/player/helge-grans/
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 6 @ 2:44 PM ET
Helge Grans

https://dobberprospects.com/player/helge-grans/

- Symba007

ooooo I like this a lot.

Scott Wheeler likes him, ranked him 5th in the Kings pool last year, sixth this year
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 6 @ 2:46 PM ET
where in that article does it say he has asked to be traded? did i miss it?

it hasnt been said at any time ivan has asked out. If you have anything showing or saying he did please share. otherwise go back to hf boards curuf

- hello it's me 2050


Nah, I don't think I'll start taking orders from a clueless dope like you. Anyone with half a brain knew Saint Ivan's days in Philly were numbered when national hockey media started reporting on how bad the situation had got.

https://nhlrumors.com/nhl...elphia-flyers/2023/01/11/


Friedman: “I think there’s a lot under the surface here. The word I got a lot from the person who kind of indicated that the heard this to me, was frustration. I think the player is frustrated. I think the organization is frustrated. I think the teammates are frustrated. I think everybody is just frustrated at how everything has gone in the last few years in Philadelphia.

And like I said, I think the Flyers are going to consider a lot of things. You’ve asked me before, what direction is this team going in. I think a move like this one could tell us whenever it happens. You know, what do they get in return? What do they do with the space that would be created, salary cap wise to move a player with this number?

But I have to say, I think on some level, I think it’s got to be disappointing for everybody with this. Because, like I said, after his second season, this guy looked like a stud and it just hasn’t worked. And sometimes you have to change coaches cause the voice doesn’t work with the group anymore and sometimes you have to change jobs or location for your job because it’s not working for you in that place anymore. And I’ve just wondered if, basically with everything I heard on Sunday, if that’s kind of where we are with Provorov.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 6 @ 2:46 PM ET
ooooo I like this a lot
- TobyFlenderson


1st + 2nd + former 35th-overall 6'3 Swedish RHD? I'd be fine with that as a return.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:47 PM ET
Helge Grans

https://dobberprospects.com/player/helge-grans/

- Symba007


Did they announce Grans is part of the deal? I've been asking for him for a couple years now
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 6 @ 2:47 PM ET
Danny added salary, so they have less cap to sign other free agents
- WhiskeyMan

Right, but he added salary in bums and why would we want him signing free agents lol. We want this team to be bad
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 6 @ 2:47 PM ET
ooooo I like this a lot.

Scott Wheeler likes him, ranked him 5th in the Kings pool last year, sixth this year

- TobyFlenderson

As per Mayor's Manor, #LAKings sending Cal Petersen, Sean Walker and prospect Helge Grans to the #Flyers as part of the 3-way deal sending Provorov to #CBJ.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 6 @ 2:48 PM ET
Nah, I don't think I'll start taking orders from a clueless dope like you.
- Feanor

post that article as I will wait.

omg
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 6 @ 2:48 PM ET
1st + 2nd + former 35th-overall 6'3 Swedish RHD? I'd be fine with that as a return.
- Tomahawk

https://theathletic.com/4...spect-pool-rankings-2023/

Seems raw but very toolsy, Wheeler projects him as a second pairing guy
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 6 @ 2:48 PM ET
to me ivan warranted the picks on his own or something close to that. Add in the cap dumps, needed more to me. Not great value to me.

hopefully Hart Tk and deathstare are next

- hello it's me 2050

It could have been more for sure. I’m happy with two solid picks and our team getting worst though
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jun 6 @ 2:50 PM ET
post that article as I will wait.

omg

- hello it's me 2050


Imagine being so pathetic that you are downplaying the idea that Provorov wanted out of Philly on the day he was traded out of Philly.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 6 @ 2:51 PM ET
Absolutely absurd this didn’t happen last off season with the chance of Bedard
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