Hart is not just an average goaltender, that doesn't mean I am calling him elite either. There's a reason people say goaltenders are cursed on the Flyers.

Remember how bad Mrázek and Talbot looked on the Flyers? How did they do once they moved to their next team?

Then there's Bob, yeah yeah we have rehashed the story many times and Snider made a mistake and different story here, but if Hart is moved I truly believe he will succeed on another team. So if he needs to move to another team to become not average anymore then it's probably the team and not Hart that is the problem.
- Glak18

Completely agree. Hart isn't an average goalie. He's a solid young tender who has played for a dumpster fire team that can't play in its own zone for the life of them. I'm starting to think that some people would just like to put him on waivers to get rid of him like he has been the main culprit for all the team's struggles. I look forward to the conversations about how we need to find a tender in a few years for our team as it emerges and we employ the endless goalie carousel strategy again..

Weaponizing cap space AND moving an overrated guy for strong returns. A very encouraging opening trade for sure.

Harkens back to the kind of trades Homer made at the beginning cleaning up Clarke's mess, and some of the stuff Hexy did in the beginning to clean up Homer's mess.

Let's just hope that Danny can keep this rolling and we'll see if he learned from his predecessors' mistakes.
- Tomahawk

I thought Fletcher started off here pretty well too

I agree.

Also as you alluded to in a previous post, what will Danny do with the cap space once the Flyers have some banked? Will they be patient and stick to their guns? Or try to wheel and deal a shortcut?
- StepfordSam

If he keeps clearing cap space, I hope he continues to take on bad contracts to cover that space and keeps getting assets. That way he won't have any room to sign those muckers and grinders Torts very much covets.

It was a great return, 2023 1st, two 2nd round picks in 2024, plus a 2020 high 2nd round pick Helge Grans who has good upside. Not sure what else we could have hoped for. Peterson can be a good backup to Hart, which allows Ersson more time to develop in the AHL. If anyone thought Danny would be taken advantage of, you are sadly mistaken. Also, if anyone thought the Flyers were not serious about rebuilding, you are also sadly mistaken.
- jd250

Here come da hot-taker, word 'em up

It's one trade, involving a player that everyone knew was on the way out. On paper, I'm impressed with what the Flyers got back. The fact that the return is picks and a prospect, and not some vet player(s) does at least point to a rebuild mentality. But to declare that the Flyers are embracing a rebuild after a single move is premature IMO.

Carter Hart being closer to a Steve Mason isn’t a bad thing. I really liked Mason when he was here.

The problem becomes Carter’s prospective contract extension. It’s a no brainer to move him.
- StepfordSam

Mason popped into my head as well, but this is Philly and if Brodeur was on the team in his prime he would be called a turd here.

Here come da hot-taker, word 'em up

It's one trade, involving a player that everyone new was on the way out. On paper, I'm impressed with what the Flyers got back. The fact that the return is picks and a prospect, and not some vet player(s) does at least point to a rebuild mentality. But to declare that the Flyers are embracing a rebuild after a single move is premature IMO.
- Big_E_88

Hart is not just an average goaltender, that doesn't mean I am calling him elite either. There's a reason people say goaltenders are cursed on the Flyers.

Remember how bad Mrázek and Talbot looked on the Flyers? How did they do once they moved to their next team?

Then there's Bob, yeah yeah we have rehashed the story many times and Snider made a mistake and different story here, but if Hart is moved I truly believe he will succeed on another team. So if he needs to move to another team to become not average anymore then it's probably the team and not Hart that is the problem.
- Glak18

Him succeeding elsewhere has nothing to do with the timing of sticking with him and the potential return we can get. Mrazek is still horrible if you’re not aware, talbot is ok at best and often injured. For the right return, as I said, he should be moved

Completely agree. Hart isn't an average goalie. He's a solid young tender who has played for a dumpster fire team that can't play in its own zone for the life of them. I'm starting to think that some people would just like to put him on waivers to get rid of him like he has been the main culprit for all the team's struggles. I look forward to the conversations about how we need to find a tender in a few years for our team as it emerges and we employ the endless goalie carousel strategy again..
- Hextall271

The Flyers aren't going to be competitive for years and Hart will be 25 in August, and has already racked up a lot of games and injuries. The rebuilding Flyers aren't the kind of team who should be signing him to a 8 x $7.5m contract that would take him thru his age 33 season. Goalies like Holtby and Mason were done before then.

The Provorov deal signals Hart is gone to me. There would be no reason not to try and sell high on him now then have him get shelled possibly on a rebuilding team.

I see Hart, Hayes and possibly Konecny all getting moved. Can they get another 1st this year? I could see them trying to get a 2nd in this year's draft still.
- J35Bacher

look to move Hart though I am not reading anything into the Ivan deal as related to moving Hart. Oddly enough the kings are a good spot for Hart and they need a goalie.

The Flyers aren't going to be competitive for years and Hart will be 25 in August, and has already racked up a lot of games and injuries. The rebuilding Flyers aren't the kind of team who should be signing him to a 8 x $7.5m contract that would take him thru his age 33 season. Goalies like Holtby and Mason were done before then.
- Feanor

Timing doesn’t make sense and his junior pedigree still somehow holds weight, move him while we can if the price is good

Mason popped into my head as well, but this is Philly and if Brodeur was on the team in his prime he would be called a turd here.
- Glak18

Absolutely he would. So would Roy. We just love to run them out of town as being the main problem when a tender is a part of the team. They're the most important cog in the team defense wheel but they can't do it alone. When they are supported by a strong team, confidence rises and play improves. Conversely, when a tender can't trust his team D, then they play back further in net, less confidently and it spirals out of control. A tender can't do it alone.

Completely agree. Hart isn't an average goalie. He's a solid young tender who has played for a dumpster fire team that can't play in its own zone for the life of them. I'm starting to think that some people would just like to put him on waivers to get rid of him like he has been the main culprit for all the team's struggles. I look forward to the conversations about how we need to find a tender in a few years for our team as it emerges and we employ the endless goalie carousel strategy again..
- Hextall271

It is all about the time line and maximizing value.

when do you see the Flyers being a legit contender? Do you want to commit to hart for 8 years for big money?

The Flyers aren't going to be competitive for years and Hart will be 25 in August, and has already racked up a lot of games and injuries. The rebuilding Flyers aren't the kind of team who should be signing him to a 8 x $7.5m contract that would take him thru his age 33 season. Goalies like Holtby and Mason were done before then.
- Feanor

Not sure about Hart having racked up a lot of injuries. I will have to check, but I don't believe he's been injury prone during his tenure here despite being peppered point blank on a nightly basis. MCL strain in 2021 and another LBI this March. I don't remember others.

look to move Hart though I am not reading anything into the Ivan deal as related to moving Hart. Oddly enough the kings are a good spot for Hart and they need a goalie.
- hello it's me 2050

I read the taking Peterson back as Hart is most likely getting moved. Plus so many teams are looking for competent goaltending. I see the below as possible destinations.

Kings
Edmonton
Canadians
Toronto?
Ottawa

Absolutely he would. So would Roy. We just love to run them out of town as being the main problem when a tender is a part of the team. They're the most important cog in the team defense wheel but they can't do it alone. When they are supported by a strong team, confidence rises and play improves. Conversely, when a tender can't trust his team D, then they play back further in net, less confidently and it spirals out of control. A tender can't do it alone.
- Hextall271

No one is trying to run him out of town as multiple posters have explained why they should move him.

I read the taking Peterson back as Hart is most likely getting moved. Plus so many teams are looking for competent goaltending. I see the below as possible destinations.

Kings
Edmonton
Canadians
Toronto?
Ottawa
- J35Bacher

To me Cal was just a cap dump the flyers took on. just happens to be a goalie. Add Buffalo imo.

It is all about the time line and maximizing value.

when do you see the Flyers being a legit contender? Do you want to commit to hart for 8 years for big money?
- hello it's me 2050

If he's looking for an 8 year 10 mil AAV contract then maybe you have to look at dealing him, but will he demand that? Can it be another 3-4 year deal at a lower AAV? I'd say so. if the rebuild takes 3-4 years then it might work. If we're talking a ten year Oilers or Buffalo build then the whole conversation is pointless. Guys we draft this year might be gone by then..

Mason popped into my head as well, but this is Philly and if Brodeur was on the team in his prime he would be called a turd here.
- Glak18

Nobody is calling him a turd, we're just saying he's not elite. No shame in being a league-average NHL starting goaltender.

To me Cal was just a cap dump the flyers took on. just happens to be a goalie. Add Buffalo imo.
- hello it's me 2050

Agree.

I just don't see them committing 9 million to the crease. Also just feel the timing is right for what the Flyers want to do.

look to move Hart though I am not reading anything into the Ivan deal as related to moving Hart. Oddly enough the kings are a good spot for Hart and they need a goalie.
- hello it's me 2050

I'd be looking to move Petersen if they can.. He's got a higher cap hit. Not sure why LA signed him to that much really.

I'd be looking to move Petersen if they can.. He's got a higher cap hit. Not sure why LA signed him to that much really.
- Hextall271

What kind of return do you think Petersen has lol

People giving accolades to Saint Ronnie for the Pronger and Vinny trades is funny to me.

Every team uses Arizona as a dumping ground. Not like this was some innovative revelation. The Vinny trade doesn’t happened unless Vinny makes it happen. He waived his NTC then agreed to retire at the end of the season. Otherwise that trade doesn’t go down. He could have easily told the flyers to pound sand and he will collect every dollar owed from the press box. That trade was all Vinny not Ronald.

Ronald had no specialty.
- hello it's me 2050

Vinny made it happen because the organization showed him that he was unwelcomed. Vinny didn’t come to a conclusion of wanting to move on his own, he chose to sign here two and half years before.

I mentioned this yesterday, granted I know nothing about Helge Grans. Just seems to describe myers!!!
- hello it's me 2050

It’s always easy to run to the Phil Myers comparison…and lazy, especially if you don’t know anything about the new player.

DeAngelo will not be traded until the deadline. With Hayes, I'm not sure the Flyers will be able to dump him. They are already covering one salary and are only allowed one more, so its 50/50 IMO at this point. But the Flyers do need to move Hayes.
- jd250

Flyers aren't retaining any salary on anyone at the moment.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers -> Scroll down to "Dead Cap". Only Lindblom's buyout and good ol' Bryz... who is making 1.6 million for 3 more years.

Look at the Kings dead cap if you want to see what retained salary looks like - https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/kings

Agree.

I just don't see them committing 9 million to the crease. Also just feel the timing is right for what the Flyers want to do.
- J35Bacher

he can be waived and Erson/Felix only makes chump change. 9 million I bet is league average for goalie combo or close to it.