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Revco38
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wherever I leave my hat
Joined: 07.26.2006

Jun 7 @ 1:05 AM ET
Another day another mock draft. Love the first 3 picks. Not certain about the next 3. Not sure Augustine is any better than what we already have in the system and wonder if he would be there at 51 allowing another F/D prospect at 44. Also think Haltunnen (56) has more upside than Morin but that is just my opinion.

1. Connor Bedard
19. Samuel Honzek
35. Ethan Gauthier
44. Trey Augustine
51. Caden Price
55. Etienne Morin

https://thehockeywriters....nhl-two-round-mock-draft/
Revco38
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wherever I leave my hat
Joined: 07.26.2006

Jun 7 @ 1:07 AM ET
Lou Lamoriello says that Josh Bailey is at the end of his tenure with the Islanders.

Bailey + 2024 2nd for 2025 4th

- DarthKane


Would be happy with that trade.
akuroski
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Bethel, CT
Joined: 07.02.2015

Jun 7 @ 1:09 AM ET
My thoughts are go after guys like Oliver Moore/Colby Barlow/Nate Danielson (trade up) or sit at 19 and grab Honzek/Ritchie/Musty. Ideally one of the first 3 fall to 19. Then at 35 I am dying to get Bradly Nadeau but some other guys I like with our second rounders are Kalan Lind/Halttunnen/Zeimmer/Sawchyn.

Then I say go out and get 2 good players to play with Bedard to boost their stats on 1 year deals to sell high at the deadline. Unless you want to build chemistry with some of the guys that will stick around. I am very excited about several prospects that we have that are improving significantly. Not next year but I think year 2 of Bedards contract we can make the playoffs and I don't think it is too ambitious.


akuroski
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Bethel, CT
Joined: 07.02.2015

Jun 7 @ 1:14 AM ET
Another day another mock draft. Love the first 3 picks. Not certain about the next 3. Not sure Augustine is any better than what we already have in the system and wonder if he would be there at 51 allowing another F/D prospect at 44. Also think Haltunnen (56) has more upside than Morin but that is just my opinion.

1. Connor Bedard
19. Samuel Honzek
35. Ethan Gauthier
44. Trey Augustine
51. Caden Price
55. Etienne Morin

https://thehockeywriters....nhl-two-round-mock-draft/

- Revco38


I agree completely with you here. I dont understand the last 3 picks. If they go goalie itll be later picks and I don't think they go defensemen unless its an RD and neither of those guys are RDs. I see several players with more value at 44,51,55 however I really want to see us go after Bradly Nadeau and maybe trade up to get a Barlow or Oliver Moore but would be happy with Honzek.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 7 @ 2:11 AM ET
My thoughts are go after guys like Oliver Moore/Colby Barlow/Nate Danielson (trade up) or sit at 19 and grab Honzek/Ritchie/Musty. Ideally one of the first 3 fall to 19. Then at 35 I am dying to get Bradly Nadeau but some other guys I like with our second rounders are Kalan Lind/Halttunnen/Zeimmer/Sawchyn.

Then I say go out and get 2 good players to play with Bedard to boost their stats on 1 year deals to sell high at the deadline. Unless you want to build chemistry with some of the guys that will stick around. I am very excited about several prospects that we have that are improving significantly. Not next year but I think year 2 of Bedards contract we can make the playoffs and I don't think it is too ambitious.

- akuroski


Mantha from WSH is rumored to be available likely with a sweetener added due to his contract. Maybe Mantha and Hendrix Lapierre for a 3rd? I really have no idea how to value draft picks when trading for players.

I know Mantha has had a couple down years with injuries and last year's performance - and he's not exactly fast - but he's a more than 0.5 PPG player and has experience. If he does well, he's easily a guy you can retain on and move at the deadline (otherwise his contract only has one year left anyway). Lapierre has speed, and some grit. Maybe a bonus for everyone??
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:49 AM ET
No one has asked the real question since the draft lottery. Is Bedard the type of player that KD is looking for? Is he fast on his skates? Is he tenacious? Sure, he is generational and KD would be an idiot to not draft him, but is Bedard a KD type player?
- wizardofi

You would have pased on mcdavid because he doesnt backcheck
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 7 @ 3:02 AM ET
You would have pased on mcdavid because he doesnt backcheck
- LFS


Nowhere in the entire post is their own opinion given. It was a simple, open question regarding the type of player that KD wants. Agreed that it is out there considering the caliber of player that Bedard is and has shown to be, but don't lose your crap over something you misinterpreted.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 7 @ 4:48 AM ET
Nowhere in the entire post is their own opinion given. It was a simple, open question regarding the type of player that KD wants. Agreed that it is out there considering the caliber of player that Bedard is and has shown to be, but don't lose your crap over something you misinterpreted (or even worse, made up).
- Chunk

vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jun 7 @ 6:37 AM ET
No one has asked the real question since the draft lottery. Is Bedard the type of player that KD is looking for? Is he fast on his skates? Is he tenacious? Sure, he is generational and KD would be an idiot to not draft him, but is Bedard a KD type player?
- wizardofi


No one asked it, because you only had to watch about 3mins of any game he played in
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Jun 7 @ 6:39 AM ET
Nowhere in the entire post is their own opinion given. It was a simple, open question regarding the type of player that KD wants. Agreed that it is out there considering the caliber of player that Bedard is and has shown to be, but don't lose your crap over something you misinterpreted.
- Chunk

I dont misinterpret
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Jun 7 @ 6:39 AM ET
No one asked it, because you only had to watch about 3mins of any game he played in

- vabeachbear

Thank you
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jun 7 @ 6:45 AM ET
Another day another mock draft. Love the first 3 picks. Not certain about the next 3. Not sure Augustine is any better than what we already have in the system and wonder if he would be there at 51 allowing another F/D prospect at 44. Also think Haltunnen (56) has more upside than Morin but that is just my opinion.

1. Connor Bedard
19. Samuel Honzek
35. Ethan Gauthier
44. Trey Augustine
51. Caden Price
55. Etienne Morin

https://thehockeywriters....nhl-two-round-mock-draft/

- Revco38


Hate all of that after Honzek. Lets hope Hawks staff is much better than the Hockey writers.

Love how in the review of Morin (btw, had one of those before, never worked....) they describe him as only an average skater, with not ideal size. Why the Hell would you take him in the 2nd round then.

Idiots.

Also, Hawks aren't taking a tiny goalie and 2 defenseman with 3 of their 4 2nds.

Idiots
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 7 @ 7:00 AM ET
I dont misinterpret
- LFS


Then you just don't comprehend...
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:27 AM ET
Then you just don't comprehend...
- Chunk


Well, yeah since, if I had to guess, I think the original post being contended was likely intended as a goof.
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Jun 7 @ 7:45 AM ET
Some more Pronman stuff
Not sure if anyone has read it or this list

https://twitter.com/world...aO3cCcR7wAh6Jt50riLQ&s=19
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jun 7 @ 7:57 AM ET
Some more Pronman stuff
Not sure if anyone has read it or this list

https://twitter.com/world...aO3cCcR7wAh6Jt50riLQ&s=19

- captainserious


Someone wants attention, don't give it to him
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jun 7 @ 8:46 AM ET
Some more Pronman stuff
Not sure if anyone has read it or this list

https://twitter.com/world...aO3cCcR7wAh6Jt50riLQ&s=19

- captainserious

A year or so ago the same thing was being discussed. In some circles Bedard wasn’t the consensus number one, some had Mitchkov ahead. I think with the KHL contract, the uncertainty of the political climate in Russia and the position played by each of them makes Bedard the clear favorite but one day it’s possible Mitchkov may prove to be the better player.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jun 7 @ 9:06 AM ET
A year or so ago the same thing was being discussed. In some circles Bedard wasn’t the consensus number one, some had Mitchkov ahead. I think with the KHL contract, the uncertainty of the political climate in Russia and the position played by each of them makes Bedard the clear favorite but one day it’s possible Mitchkov may prove to be the better player.
- paulr


Exactly Paul , I have listened to several podcasts that said, excluding the “Russian” factor, the #1 choice would be a pick-‘em, and before the ping pong balls bounced the Hawks way, many said after Bedard, that KD should take Michkov, as the Hawks aren’t going to be any good before he would be available to the NHL.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 7 @ 9:09 AM ET
Is Provorov really worth what Philly got for him???
- vabeachbear


Top 4 Dmen aren't cheap and are hard to acquire if they are even available. Provorov is 26 yrs old, is a mobile + skater, is physical, can skate the thing up and has had a season where he scored 17 goals and 41 pts. Add LA is eating close to 3 mil per of his contract and you have a big Dman in his prime with a 4.7 per cap hit for 2 yrs.

Much like when EDM traded Hall for Larsson it seems one sided at the time but NHL clubs hold Dmen in regard, warts and all.



Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 7 @ 9:11 AM ET
A year or so ago the same thing was being discussed. In some circles Bedard wasn’t the consensus number one, some had Mitchkov ahead. I think with the KHL contract, the uncertainty of the political climate in Russia and the position played by each of them makes Bedard the clear favorite but one day it’s possible Mitchkov may prove to be the better player.
- paulr


I don't have a problem with anyone saying something contrary to norm. My problem is when you don't really back it up. He basically chalks up his argument to Michkov's hockey sense/vision in the offensive zone. He also admits Michkov is slower and doesn't have as good of a motor as Bedard. I think we've all seen guy with that combination before. They can be good pros, but fall a bit short of expectations.

I'm not really ragging on Michkov, as I expect him to be a really good pro. I just don't understand how you can look at that evaluation in total and come to that conclusion. I won't get a subscription to read the entire article, so maybe there is more to the story?
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Jun 7 @ 9:13 AM ET
Well, yeah since, if I had to guess, I think the original post being contended was likely intended as a goof.
- HawkintheD

I dont believe it was.. his question was if bedard is kd’s type of player. The only goof i see is your post on this
LFS
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.08.2021

Jun 7 @ 9:13 AM ET
Well, yeah since, if I had to guess, I think the original post being contended was likely intended as a goof.
- HawkintheD

I dont believe it was.. his question was if bedard is kd’s type of player. The only goof i see is your post on this
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 7 @ 9:25 AM ET
My thoughts are go after guys like Oliver Moore/Colby Barlow/Nate Danielson (trade up) or sit at 19 and grab Honzek/Ritchie/Musty. Ideally one of the first 3 fall to 19. Then at 35 I am dying to get Bradly Nadeau but some other guys I like with our second rounders are Kalan Lind/Halttunnen/Zeimmer/Sawchyn.

Then I say go out and get 2 good players to play with Bedard to boost their stats on 1 year deals to sell high at the deadline. Unless you want to build chemistry with some of the guys that will stick around. I am very excited about several prospects that we have that are improving significantly. Not next year but I think year 2 of Bedards contract we can make the playoffs and I don't think it is too ambitious.

- akuroski


Although I think Honzek, I'm a big fan, goes closer to 10 than 20 and Moore just may fall to 19 you point out that this draft is so deep at #19 you may just get a top 6 forward, even a 2C.

I do think, a pure guess with only one draft as a sample size, KD will sit at 19 and wait to see a possible gem fall to him unless a guy like maybe Benson/Leonard falls into the teens and he moves up.

A Hawk's fan needs to watch the draft hoping 3-4 Dmen go before 19. If that happens there will be at least a couple damn nice looking prospects there for them allowing them to keep their 2nd and 3rd rd assets.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 7 @ 9:30 AM ET
I don't have a problem with anyone saying something contrary to norm. My problem is when you don't really back it up. He basically chalks up his argument to Michkov's hockey sense/vision in the offensive zone. He also admits Michkov is slower and doesn't have as good of a motor as Bedard. I think we've all seen guy with that combination before. They can be good pros, but fall a bit short of expectations.

I'm not really ragging on Michkov, as I expect him to be a really good pro. I just don't understand how you can look at that evaluation in total and come to that conclusion. I won't get a subscription to read the entire article, so maybe there is more to the story?

- Chunk


Chunk, when i read the article I though the same. How do you take a guy that you say is slower, etc. and rank him higher. Then after reading thru in entirety you realize a couple of things. #1, he is just trying to get reads/clicks, and being a little controversial does that. #2 I think the point he may have been trying to make is that at this point, there is no doubt Bedard is the best player, and maybe is the closest to his full potential, where Michkov still has a bit more developing to do. Hence, maybe Michkov has more "upside" to get to full potential than Bedard who is almost there already.

I remember back to the McDavid/Eichel draft, where some were actually pushing that Eichel should go #1. Eichel is a heck of a player, but definitively not in McDavids class, though it looks like he may get his name on the cup first (albeit not on his original team)
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 7 @ 9:35 AM ET
Although I think Honzek, I'm a big fan, goes closer to 10 than 20 and Moore just may fall to 19 you point out that this draft is so deep at #19 you may just get a top 6 forward, even a 2C.

I do think, a pure guess with only one draft as a sample size, KD will sit at 19 and wait to see a possible gem fall to him unless a guy like maybe Benson/Leonard falls into the teens and he moves up.

A Hawk's fan needs to watch the draft hoping 3-4 Dmen go before 19. If that happens there will be at least a couple damn nice looking prospects there for them allowing them to keep their 2nd and 3rd rd assets.

- Mr Ricochet


I think if there is a guy the Hawks are already looking at, similarly to how they targeted Korchinski, then I can definitely see a scenario where KD packages the #19 with one of the second round picks to move up a couple of spots to ensure that they get him.
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