I’m fine with the AA re-signing. Probably $1m too rich but it’s negligible with a rising cap in 2024.
- TommyHawk

I think this is a signal to FAs like Domi and others, we will over pay you a bit to sign with us.

I guess I'm slow cause i just don't understand how that's a good deal, they trade $7,650,000 in salary, retain Pro at $2 mil the next 2 years, and sign Gavrikov at $5,875,000 for the next 2 years. Give away a 2nd and a prospect.

I guess I'm slow cause i just don't understand how that's a good deal, they trade $7,650,000 in salary, retain Pro at $2 mil the next 2 years, and sign Gavrikov at $5,875,000 for the next 2 years. Give away a 2nd and a prospect.
- BetweenTheDots

Because Walker and Gans are blocked by Doughty, Roy, Durzi, with Clarke and Spence in the minors all right handed defenseman.

Doughty lobbied hard for the Kings to sign Gabrikov after they paired subsequent to the trade. That leaves a second pairing of Anderson (statistically one of the best defenseman in the league) and Roy and probably Bjonfordt (another #1draft choice ) and Durzi as third pair. Now they don’t have to play Durzi or Roy as right handed on the left side.

You don’t think it is worth it. Blake feels differently.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...08d86503c1ad3029575&ei=52


Alex Debrincat's future with the Ottawa Senators is up in the air, but the latest development indicates an inevitable parting of ways between the two sides.

According to insider Pierre LeBrun, DeBrincat and his agent have provided the Senators with a list of "preferred destinations" in preparation for a potential trade out of Ottawa.

DeBrincat's list of teams is unknown, but LeBrun theorizes that it includes the Nashville Predators, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings and Western Conference Champion Vegas Golden Knights.

Yikes. Hope this isn't an indication KD's negotiating skills.

Yes, I am aware about the floor and all that jazz but that is a bit much for AA and doesn't make him attractive at the TDL.

Tho, TBF to AA, he did come to play every night and his effort can't be questioned. Plus the whole magic goal so maybe he got a little extra
- Elbows15

it's not great but not horrible either. Little extra to get closer to the cap floor. Played well last season so why not.

Because Walker and Gans are blocked by Doughty, Roy, Durzi, with Clarke and Spence in the minors all right handed defenseman.

Doughty lobbied hard for the Kings to sign Gabrikov after they paired subsequent to the trade. That leaves a second pairing of Anderson (statistically one of the best defenseman in the league) and Roy and probably Bjonfordt (another #1draft choice ) and Durzi as third pair. Now they don’t have to play Durzi or Roy as right handed on the left side.

You don’t think it is worth it. DOUGHTY feels differently.
- LAHawk

there i fixed it for you, who's running the show there, to me that's a bad sign

Apparently Bedard is interviewing with the Hawks today per NHL Draft Class podcast’s latest episode w/ Bedard & Doneghy

https://open.spotify.com/...si=EZYj7tnpSAiG6_Soo_2l2w
- TheDrumonMadison

Good listen, especially Doneghey. After hearing that, I'm more than convinced there won't be many Dman and goalies in those first two rounds like that Hockey Writers mock.

Fill up the Forward pool is the directive.

One other thing, every time I hear him talk, he mentions Rinzel. They really believe in him.

I think this is a signal to FAs like Domi and others, we will over pay you a bit to sign with us.
- BetweenTheDots

I'm hoping for another middle 6 type to round out the top 2 lines. As has been mentioned many times, and I agree, it's very important to give Bedard some legit NHLers to skate with as a rookie.

Your answer is in my original post, Mo. I posted "in my limited time up in Canada I found Canadians to be respectful and happy people". ....... Read anything you like into it, Mo, and if your intention is to really have your question answered read my original post of which is apparently the origin of your query.

I also noticed Canadians were a hell of a lot thinner than Americans too. Another generalization on national origins I guess? Another probable/possible generalization in your eyes is the guys I played against up there played hockey with a helluva lot more pace than we do here.

Want an example, Mo? ... Ok, I explained it to the fellas this way. At my daytime hole in the wall tavern there is a big window facing a main drag thru town, speed limit is 30. Sit on a stool for a few yrs and you get used to the pace of the cars going by at 30. You come in and sit down one day and the cars are wizzin by at 45-50.

Big difference and if you're the goalie you better acclimate fast or you will be embarrassed. .......... Generalizations or observations, Mo? You decide.
- Mr Ricochet

Why so mad?

Just trying to figure out when it is okay to attribute one's experience with a small sample size to a whole population, and when it isn't. I mean, I thought we get in trouble for that these days.

I'm hoping for another middle 6 type to round out the top 2 lines. As has been mentioned many times, and I agree, it's very important to give Bedard some legit NHLers to skate with as a rookie.
- Mr Ricochet

Me to, really hope for a Domi reunion, and i do agree with Elbows. Barbashev and Fast would be nice additions as well

Think you're correct. If the deal gave more term there would be less AAV, as it should be. You negotiate giving a higher AAV or term but not both.... I like the deal and that AA is back. Wonder where he'll slot?

So far it seems KD is sticking to his guns on no long term deals and is looking at having flexibility 3 yrs from now.
- Mr Ricochet

Yeah. Both KD and AA know that it's a stop gap deal because the Hawks aren't going to compete for at least a couple more seasons. The Hawks have the extra cap and need to hit the floor so why not give him a little bump. AA won't solve any issues or make the team better, but he fills a slot.

Small sample size of my entire 73 years, all the Canadians I have met have no rotten attitudes one on one.

Now there is one here from Canada who has an attitude.

People that are hockey lovers and come from Canada have not attitude.

Now when I talk hockey I am passionate, the people I talk to are too.

They may be fans of other teams and they may be jerky about my team.

Every Canadian person who reacted to the Blackhawks lottery win that said they shouldn't HAVE BEEN ABLE to be in the draft b/c of the Beach "affair."

Now, them, RUDE, the rest? The best.

Yeah. Both KD and AA know that it's a stop gap deal because the Hawks aren't going to compete for at least a couple more seasons. The Hawks have the extra cap and need to hit the floor so why not give him a little bump. AA won't solve any issues or make the team better, but he fills a slot.
- breadbag

He signed b/c he wants to be the first guy in for Bedard.

They should hire Chelios for studio analysis and get rid of the bearded one, can't take him seriously.
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- Lauerg

I guess I agree to get rid of the red ones (goalie AND daughter)-I am not in favor of having help support careers for two Chelios.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/alex-debrincat-s-future-with-senators-in-doubt-after-latest-development/ar-AA1cgy40?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=656d5a72bc1c408d86503c1ad3029575&ei=52


Alex Debrincat's future with the Ottawa Senators is up in the air, but the latest development indicates an inevitable parting of ways between the two sides.

According to insider Pierre LeBrun, DeBrincat and his agent have provided the Senators with a list of "preferred destinations" in preparation for a potential trade out of Ottawa.

DeBrincat's list of teams is unknown, but LeBrun theorizes that it includes the Nashville Predators, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings and Western Conference Champion Vegas Golden Knights.
- Mr Ricochet

This is great

I guess I agree to get rid of the red ones (goalie AND daughter)-I am not in favor of having help support careers for two Chelios.
- wiz1901

It's nice Cohen has moved on. Got rid of at least one whiny voice

You have to expect intricate three way deals like this to continue if the teams planning to challenge for the Cup want to clear pace and up grade with Gavrikovs.

Philadelphia acquires from Columbus a 2023 1sr Rd pick (LA), a 2024 2nd Rd pick (Columbus) and from Los Angeles, a 2024 2nd Rd pick, prospect Helge Grans, Sean Walker, and Cal Peterson and his large CAP hit. Columbus acquires Ivan Provorov.

Philly unloads the defenseman they no longer want ($4,750,000) for a 2nd in 2024, and a 1st in 2023, but has to eat Petterson's (5 million) and adds one pro Sean Walker, and Helge Grans, a RD prospect, who still doesn't play to his 6' 3" size, just stick checks. He can make thew transition pass.

Columbus after trading Jones for Boqvist and trading Gavrikov, they shore up the backline at the cost of a first and second.
LA gets the space they need giving up a 2nd in 2024, Walker and Grans to EAT Petterson.

Seems correct to me

It's nice Cohen has moved on. Got rid of at least one whiny voice
- BetweenTheDots

Years after moving on to St. Louis Panger would still walk down near my seats and talk to everyone, and even when baited, never talks negative about the NHL players.

I love that Bedard said Nate Danielson was the hardest defender at forward he's played against...

I think it was an insane price for Provorov, makes no sense to me, but hey what do I know, I've been wondering for years about the great Jarmo and what's he been doing, and everyone talks about him like he's some kind of genius.

I like the deal though because it sets a market, and if those kinds of deals are out there at the draft, with the cap space KD has he should be able to take full advantage.
- vabeachbear

You have astute comments here. I wish to add on

Interesting although not sure I can quite say how ironic Provorov winds up in Columbus. I say that with the thought that this player goes from Torts to Babcock. Don’t players get turned off eventually with both of those coaches? Well Babcock won a lot in Detroit but no one wanted to hire him the past few years. Is it because he is too strong willed a personality as head coach.. alright strong wil is not exactly the correct terminology regarding his coaching

But Provorov is needed as heavy minutes dman as he is the hopefully best or better among Blue Jacket youth dominated defense. They desperately need Werinski to remain healthy and a strong year injury free from Boqvist

A few years ago Provorov was deemed an up and coming dman. The Flyers felt like he was worthy of the big contract. In hindsight he has not been worth the big dollars and rumors of his moving along now has proven accurate. And while he has performed on bad Philly teams the past few years, I doubt he is as bad or was ever the misleading talent for example C Jones had been in Chicago.

No no no I suggest that Provorov is the hoped for poor version of a top dman employed now on a weak Columbus blue line crew.

I don’t know if Babcock employs the LW Lock schematic but I can understand how Jarko is hoping Provorov can help lift the Blue Jackets defense

Along with Babcock they have injected maybe more hope than actual improvement. Better ….sure….not a great deal better though. A couple of their young forwards take a step up and if some other dmen like Boqvist is descent, then Columbus looks like a team whose young talent plus Babcock will combine to make them a tougher foe. Sure would help to have a resemblance of an NHL defense most however if Werenski can remain healthy

I'm hoping for another middle 6 type to round out the top 2 lines. As has been mentioned many times, and I agree, it's very important to give Bedard some legit NHLers to skate with as a rookie.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm going to guess the top two options will be Bailey and Mantha. They aren't good options, but I think the most likely. They can attach a solid prospect with either.

You have astute comments here. I wish to add on

Interesting although not sure I can quite say how ironic Provorov winds up in Columbus. I say that with the thought that this player goes from Torts to Babcock. Don’t players get turned off eventually with both of those coaches? Well Babcock won a lot in Detroit but no one wanted to hire him the past few years. Is it because he is too strong willed a personality as head coach.. alright strong wil is not exactly the correct terminology regarding his coaching

But Provorov is needed as heavy minutes dman as he is the hopefully best or better among Blue Jacket youth dominated defense. They desperately need Werinski to remain healthy and a strong year injury free from Boqvist

A few years ago Provorov was deemed an up and coming dman. The Flyers felt like he was worthy of the big contract. In hindsight he has not been worth the big dollars and rumors of his moving along now has proven accurate. And while he has performed on bad Philly teams the past few years, I doubt he is as bad or was ever the misleading talent for example C Jones had been in Chicago.

No no no I suggest that Provorov is the hoped for poor version of a top dman employed now on a weak Columbus blue line crew.

I don’t know if Babcock employs the LW Lock schematic but I can understand how Jarko is hoping Provorov can help lift the Blue Jackets defense

Along with Babcock they have injected maybe more hope than actual improvement. Better ….sure….not a great deal better though. A couple of their young forwards take a step up and if some other dmen like Boqvist is descent, then Columbus looks like a team whose young talent plus Babcock will combine to make them a tougher foe. Sure would help to have a resemblance of an NHL defense most however if Werenski can remain healthy
- jhawk59

What is your basis for saying this? He puts up slightly fewer points than S. Jones, and is a much better all-around defender and player. His Cap hit is $6.75M per year. His contract is certainly fair for his contributions.

What is your basis for saying this? He puts up slightly fewer points than S. Jones, and is a much better all-around defender and player. His Cap hit is $6.75M per year. His contract is certainly fair for his contributions.
- Chunk

That was C Jones not S Jones I referenced

I don’t imagine any team moves a good man despite $6.75M per year as this is a reasonable salary to pay. Moreover, Provorov is relatively young and has plenty of experience. So I figured dissatisfaction emmanating out of Philly with Provorov was based on his not worth the salary. I am really guessing more than based upon factual proof if YOU can be witness to the eye test.

So go ahead and say Provorov is pretty good and Philly should not need to move him. If you see the Flyers play each year,,then you would know more than myself just how good is the Russian dman

I am just so happy that Colby Cohen is gone. It really bothered me how intentionally tried to one - up Chris Vosters, and tells us about when he played NHL against so & so (THREE NHL games!).
I knew that Colby was unliked when on air Sharpie dumped on him with a put down.

I respect all your opinions, but as far as I am concerned Eichel is still over-rated and no where close to NHL captain material....
- wiz1901

For once i agree with you

Wow a second rounder to sign one of the top D men on the free agent market. Maybe KD will have a team that makes the playoffs in 10 years. Can KD rebuild the Hawks as fast as Blake did the Kings? Blake being in the LA market, and having AEG as an owner does not have the rope to take forever to rebuild like KD apparently Kings haven’t had to trade any of their top prospects as of yet, so they have just a strong if not stronger pipeline than the Hawks.

Peterson signing was a mistake. Blake corrected it and moved on. Would rather have a GM that makes an error of commission than omission. You appear to want the opposite.

And a second rounder is way less painful then having that buyout cap hit on the books for th next 4 years
- LAHawk

Well i will be curious to see who wins a cup first, the kings or the hawks.