Your stars and guys being paid $11 million have to do both.
- nyrangers9479

I agree! At least Nash did everything he could, worked his ass off, and never gave up. He was just snake bitten for playoff runs. Panarin is just useless. He doesn't even seem to try and change up his game. Selfish and weak

I agree! At least Nash did everything he could, worked his ass off, and never gave up. He was just snake bitten for playoff runs. Panarin is just useless. He doesn't even seem to try and change up his game. Selfish and weak
- rrentz

Rick Nash playoff points per game as NYR: .52

Artemi Panarin playoff points game as NYR: .66

What are we doing? Like it's not even close.

Rick Nash playoff points per game as NYR: .52

Artemi Panarin playoff points game as NYR: .66

What are we doing? Like it's not even close.
- tomburton99

The majority of Panarins points come on the PP. He doesnt drive 5v5. His work ethnic is non existent. Lazy back checks, give aways hand over fist, doesnt play an ounce of defense.

You are talking about Panarin who was over a PPG to Nash who was never a point PPG during the regular season. The drop off from the regular season to playoffs is much more glaring for Panarin.

At least Nash was a 200ft player.

One midget to the next. Great idea
- nyrangers9479

Any idea how tall Jonathan marchessault is

The majority of Panarins points come on the PP. He doesnt drive 5v5. His work ethnic is non existent. Lazy back checks, give aways hand over fist, doesnt play an ounce of defense.

At least Nash was a 200ft player.
- Brukie

At least Nash didn't score enough to be a factor as to why the Rangers didn't win a championship in 2014? That's the opinion we're taking here?

At least Nash didn't score enough to be a factor as to why the Rangers didn't win a championship in 2014? That's the opinion we're taking here?
- tomburton99

I think rrentz is saying Nash played hard but was snake bitten, Nash earned his shots and he definitely wasnt lazy. Panarin plays lazy in the playoffs where there is no room.

I think rrentz is saying Nash played hard but was snake bitten, Nash earned his shots and he definitely wasnt lazy. Panarin plays lazy in the playoffs where there is no room.
- Brukie

So Nash played smaller and weaker in the playoffs? Because his time Columbus and Bsoton were just as bad. None of this true. Like at all. What are we doing?

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
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On a plane, so not sure if exact details…but a three-way deal with Columbus, Philadelphia and LA is being worked on….

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
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I believe Provorov will end up in Columbus and Cal Petersen in Philly. Not sure of all pieces.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
On a plane, so not sure if exact details…but a three-way deal with Columbus, Philadelphia and LA is being worked on….

@FriedgeHNIC
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I believe Provorov will end up in Columbus and Cal Petersen in Philly. Not sure of all pieces.

Edit: Damn you chiefs.

So Nash played smaller and weaker in the playoffs? Because his time Columbus and Bsoton were just as bad. None of this true. Like at all. What are we doing?
- tomburton99

Are you trying to avoid seeing anyone's point?
Are you saying that you think Nash and Panarin played the same game? Like Nash never looked like he was given everything he had, whereas Panarin tries to play and keep as much in the tank as possible?
You can accept parts of peoples argument while pointing out what might be incorrect, you know.

Are you trying to avoid seeing anyone's point?
Are you saying that you think Nash and Panarin played the same game? Like Nash never looked like he was given everything he had, whereas Panarin tries to play and keep as much in the tank as possible?
You can accept parts of peoples argument while pointing out what might be incorrect, you know.
- Tonybere

No the point is that Panarin was beyond bad in these playoffs. That cannot be argued. He was terrible. But last year Panarin was better than Nash ever was at any point in his Rangers career in the playoffs. And Panarin has been a better playoffs throughout his career than Nash ever was. I'm asking why are we doing revisionist history on Nash. Like if they get anything from him 2014, they might win a championship. If they get anything from him 2017 they might beat Ottawa (That series was AV's fault.)

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
On a plane, so not sure if exact details…but a three-way deal with Columbus, Philadelphia and LA is being worked on….

@FriedgeHNIC
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54s
I believe Provorov will end up in Columbus and Cal Petersen in Philly. Not sure of all pieces.

Edit: Damn you chiefs.
- tomburton99

No the point is that Panarin was beyond bad in these playoffs. That cannot be argued. He was terrible. But last year Panarin was better than Nash ever was at any point in his Rangers career in the playoffs. And Panarin has been a better playoffs throughout his career than Nash ever was. I'm asking why are we doing revisionist history on Nash. Like if they get anything from him 2014, they might win a championship. If they get anything from him 2017 they might beat Ottawa (That series was AV's fault.)
- tomburton99

I guess that is fair. Honestly, just going off memory I thought Nash's playoff numbers were quite a bit better than I found when I just checked. Apologies.

No the point is that Panarin was beyond bad in these playoffs. That cannot be argued. He was terrible. But last year Panarin was better than Nash ever was at any point in his Rangers career in the playoffs. And Panarin has been a better playoffs throughout his career than Nash ever was. I'm asking why are we doing revisionist history on Nash. Like if they get anything from him 2014, they might win a championship. If they get anything from him 2017 they might beat Ottawa (That series was AV's fault.)
- tomburton99

Personally, would rather have had that version of Nash this past post season than Panarin, even with the lack of production. Played a heavy game, killed penalties, was a huge threat out there that needed to be game planned regardless of recent production. Think that’s the point people are making, the points are only a part of the story. Also, Panarin has a way of quietly racking up lots of secondary points. Some of the box scores this past season amazed me, hardly notice him but he’s on there 2-3 times.

I guess that is fair. Honestly, just going off memory I thought Nash's playoff numbers were quite a bit better than I found when I just checked. Apologies.
- Tonybere

All good. Honestly I'm good with the slander for the rangers, because right now it's deserved.

Personally, would rather have had that version of Nash this past post season than Panarin, even with the lack of production. Played a heavy game, killed penalties, was a huge threat out there that needed to be game planned regardless of recent production. Think that’s the point people are making, the points are only a part of the story. Also, Panarin has a way of quietly racking up lots of secondary points. Some of the box scores this past season amazed me, hardly notice him but he’s on there 2-3 times.
- TC88

Ok so we are gonna do revisionist history on Nash. Fine. have at it.

Ok so we are gonna do revisionist history on Nash. Fine. have at it.
- tomburton99

It’s not so much that. He was extremely disappointing, and to your other point, Rangers maybe win a cup if he chips in a few more (one chance he missed in particular that was a killer). I’m only saying that his contributions as an all around player would have had more of an impact than Panarins. It’s really not as much of a compliment to Nash as it is a diss on Panarin.

It’s not so much that. He was extremely disappointing, and to your other point, Rangers maybe win a cup if he chips in a few more (one chance he missed in particular that was a killer). I’m only saying that his contributions as an all around player would have had more of an impact than Panarins. It’s really not as much of a compliment to Nash as it is a diss on Panarin.
- TC88

I've never blamed Nash for that. Makes no sense to me. That was an all-world defensive play at a crucial moment by Voynov. I see it the same as saying Hank never did anything special on any of his miraculous saves, it was the shooter making a mistake instead.

I've never blamed Nash for that. Makes no sense to me. That was an all-world defensive play at a crucial moment by Voynov. I see it the same as saying Hank never did anything special on any of his miraculous saves, it was the shooter making a mistake instead.
- Tonybere

Very fair point. I think if he was feeling it he finds a way to put that in the back of the net. When you’re snake-bitten, that’s the way things tend to go.

I've never blamed Nash for that. Makes no sense to me. That was an all-world defensive play at a crucial moment by Voynov. I see it the same as saying Hank never did anything special on any of his miraculous saves, it was the shooter making a mistake instead.
- Tonybere

He wasn't the sole reason they lost. that's not fair. But apply that logic to Panarin this year. Both bad, both frustrating. That's my point.

He wasn't the sole reason they lost. that's not fair. But apply that logic to Panarin this year. Both bad, both frustrating. That's my point.
- tomburton99

I’d take Nash for all the other things he does that Panarin doesn’t do, regardless of PPG in the playoffs. Panarin scores on the PP, 5v5 he’s atrocious.

I’d take Nash for all the other things he does that Panarin doesn’t do, regardless of PPG in the playoffs. Panarin scores on the PP, 5v5 he’s atrocious.
- nyrangers9479

So you're advocating for the less productive player. Again, that just math.

So you're advocating for the less productive player. Again, that just math.
- tomburton99

Real life is in the nuance, my friend.
No one here is saying they want less production. We'd like someone with Panarin's production, but one that achieves it with more well-rounded play. Perhaps sometimes driving to the net or fighting for possession in the corner instead of always pulling up inside the blue line looking to pass cross ice.
I know you know all of this, you're making it tedious to discuss...

Real life is in the nuance, my friend.
No one here is saying they want less production. We'd like someone with Panarin's production, but one that achieves it with more well-rounded play. Perhaps sometimes driving to the net or fighting for possession in the corner instead of always pulling up inside the blue line looking to pass cross ice.
I know you know all of this, you're making it tedious to discuss...
- Tonybere

Thanks, way to long for me to type to fight with this idiot

Thanks, way to long for me to type to fight with this idiot
- nyrangers9479