Has an undrafted player ever won the Conn Smythe?

I guess Roy was my first choice. I do like Boudreaus personality, but he hasn’t even been mentioned in rumors so I don’t see it. But I’d be cool with Lavy. I knew this would happen tho, Gg gets fired and the options are limited so in some ways it could backfire. Now the team has to start all over again learning from a new coach/systems/relationships. You can’t snap your fingers and get a good coach🤷🏻‍♂️

I just think a proven HC is the way to go right now (so if it Hynes for instance that’s fine). I’d rather him than a “rookie” HC sorta speak. It’s a win now team, not a team that needs a coach learning at the NHL level as he goes type of thing.

With all that said. I get why GG was fired because you can’t fire or trade all the players. It was an extremely bitter end to the season so the chopping block needed someone on it.
- Slimtj100

Quoting TJ, although I pretty much agree with all of these posts. Yeah, Lefebvre never seemed happy here, but those weren't great years. I think we are getting Laviolette. What we don't know is maybe Drury, who is chill, might not have liked the hothead Roy. Maybe Roy "allegedly" beating his wife turned him off.

It’ll be nice to have systems for a change
- picklerick

I think a big problem for that was GG wanted to be more of forechecking team but I’m not sure they’re fast enough to do that. Too much skill and not enough speed. Paranin is a big problem I hate to say it. His money and they really need a different type player with Trocheck, like a Crouse as an example, or someone like that. Big fast forechecking winger who can score. Cuylle NEEDS to be that guy for this organization, and immediately next season. He needs to make the roster

It’s getting harder and harder to defend Drury. I get they needed a center and win faceoffs, but I think that money needed to go to Vatrano and then maybe you sign a 3C who can win draws, then have Chytil as the 2C. Nick Roy was someone they should’ve went after. Chytil is my whipping boy, but I realize he is a good player. He just needs to be more consistent now. But it’s difficult to do that with 3rd line minutes, now he’ll still be a 3C with Trocheck. Unless maybe the new coach will endear himself and split up the kid line use Chytil as a RW. Didn’t he play with Kreider and Zib at some point?🤔 I could be misremembering. I’m not opposed to breaking them up as they made me sick vs Jersey. Really disappointed in all 3 of them

Back to Vatrano, I think that’s where he dropped the ball. He’s kind of the perfect fit and player they need. A RW who shoots and can skate, and Gauthier to a lesser extent. They need to drive the net more. Those guys did that. I think I’d rather have tinkered the roster before firing GG. I hope this firing wasn’t a mistake

Sorry for the long post. I’ve kept low key because I was really depressed after the season lol. Just been thinking about how to improve mostly and haven’t really posted much

Quoting TJ, although I pretty much agree with all of these posts. Yeah, Lefebvre never seemed happy here, but those weren't great years. I think we are getting Laviolette. What we don't know is maybe Drury, who is chill, might not have liked the hothead Roy. Maybe Roy "allegedly" beating his wife turned him off.
- Fenrir

Maybe theyre trying to sort out assistants as well with the announcement of the HC.

Maybe someone still coaching is of interest not named Lefebvre. This could be John Stevens’, potential, 3rd Stanley Cup win as an assistant. Although his track record as HC hasnt been good.

I think a big problem for that was GG wanted to be more of forechecking team but I’m not sure they’re fast enough to do that. Too much skill and not enough speed. Paranin is a big problem I hate to say it. His money and they really need a different type player with Trocheck, like a Crouse as an example, or someone like that. Big fast forechecking winger who can score. Cuylle NEEDS to be that guy for this organization, and immediately next season. He needs to make the roster

It’s getting harder and harder to defend Drury. I get they needed a center and win faceoffs, but I think that money needed to go to Vatrano and then maybe you sign a 3C who can win draws, then have Chytil as the 2C. Nick Roy was someone they should’ve went after. Chytil is my whipping boy, but I realize he is a good player. He just needs to be more consistent now. But it’s difficult to do that with 3rd line minutes, now he’ll still be a 3C with Trocheck. Unless maybe the new coach will endear himself and split up the kid line use Chytil as a RW. Didn’t he play with Kreider and Zib at some point?🤔 I could be misremembering. I’m not opposed to breaking them up as they made me sick vs Jersey. Really disappointed in all 3 of them

Back to Vatrano, I think that’s where he dropped the ball. He’s kind of the perfect fit and player they need. A RW who shoots and can skate, and Gauthier to a lesser extent. They need to drive the net more. Those guys did that. I think I’d rather have tinkered the roster before firing GG. I hope this firing wasn’t a mistake

Sorry for the long post. I’ve kept low key because I was really depressed after the season lol. Just been thinking about how to improve mostly and haven’t really posted much
- Slimtj100

Well, I think Trochek is exactly the kind of player than GG likes. But to a point youre right, too much east west, flash, etc… not enough straight nose, to the net, move your feet hockey. You dont need to be fast, you just need to move your feet, stay active, always be in the play. I wouldnt call Vegas particularly fast, it just seems like that because they never stop skating.

Holy crap did Eichel get crushed.

One stat I heard that seemed particularly telling when thinking of our recent Rangers - the two SCF finalists lead all playoff teams in dumping the puck in percentage per game

Holy crap did Eichel get crushed.
- aecliptic

Yea, perfect clean hit tho. He was toe picking and that made it worse.

Side note, Howden is one we let go too soon imo. He is having a terrific playoffs

Yea, perfect clean hit tho. He was toe picking and that made it worse.

Side note, Howden is one we let go too soon imo. He is having a terrific playoffs
- Slimtj100

I think he toe picked cause he was trying to get an edge and duck out of the way, but he got lined up Scott Stevens style and there was no escape. He was fortunate enough to see it coming and turned his head.

Well, I think Trochek is exactly the kind of player than GG likes. But to a point youre right, too much east west, flash, etc… not enough straight nose, to the net, move your feet hockey. You dont need to be fast, you just need to move your feet, stay active, always be in the play. I wouldnt call Vegas particularly fast, it just seems like that because they never stop skating.
- aecliptic

I wonder if GG was opposed to Kane. In hindsight you wonder if the whole roster thing getting Kane really took a toll. If he was I bet they had some “loud” conversations about it. Because I’m not sure GG used him correctly. He didn’t really ever play with Panarin. It was very odd not to do that imo

I think he toe picked cause he was trying to get an edge and duck out of the way, but he got lined up Scott Stevens style and there was no escape. He was fortunate enough to see it coming and turned his head.
- aecliptic

Glad he came back. He’s injury prone as we know. That could’ve been bad

Hey at least we ain’t Boston. Old. Beaten down. Fire a coach who’s about to win a Stanley cup

I wonder if GG was opposed to Kane. In hindsight you wonder if the whole roster thing getting Kane really took a toll. If he was I bet they had some “loud” conversations about it. Because I’m not sure GG used him correctly. He didn’t really ever play with Panarin. It was very odd not to do that imo
- Slimtj100

Neither Panarin nor Kane are types of players he likes and its was kind of apparent. Which I why I always said that these guys were winning and scoring despite GG.

Tkachuk setting records for most misconducts in a finals.

Neither Panarin nor Kane are types of players he likes and its was kind of apparent. Which I why I always said that these guys were winning and scoring despite GG.
- aecliptic

I think this new coach is going to be under a lot of pressure next season. Like no honeymoon period. That’s why I think it’s risky to give it to an unproven guy. Lavy at least has a cup under his belt and has to have a system id think. It’s who’s the best coach for the organization at this present time. It’s a very important decision he’s making, Which may be a bit scary to some

I think this new coach is going to be under a lot of pressure next season. Like no honeymoon period. That’s why I think it’s risky to give it to an unproven guy. Lavy at least has a cup under his belt and has to have a system id think. It’s who’s the best coach for the organization at this present time. It’s a very important decision he’s making, Which may be a bit scary to some
- Slimtj100

Its scary cause the options arent great. Also, a good coach doesnt necessarily mean its good for the squad we have. Its really like a super complicated puzzle, just cause a piece seems like it fits doesnt mean its the right one.

Lol, wheres Oprah when you need her to hand out misconducts?!

You get a misconduct, and you get one and you and you and you get a misconduct.

I think this new coach is going to be under a lot of pressure next season. Like no honeymoon period. That’s why I think it’s risky to give it to an unproven guy. Lavy at least has a cup under his belt and has to have a system id think. It’s who’s the best coach for the organization at this present time. It’s a very important decision he’s making, Which may be a bit scary to some
- Slimtj100

The cup was almost 20 years ago. Should just hire mike Kenan then lol

The cup was almost 20 years ago. Should just hire mike Kenan then lol
- TPC

Unfortunately we dont have an Oilers team to cherry pick from and a no limit salary cap.

Unfortunately we dont have an Oilers team to cherry pick from and a no limit salary cap.
- aecliptic

I miss the no salary cap. It’s our only chance at this point lol

Neither Panarin nor Kane are types of players he likes and its was kind of apparent. Which I why I always said that these guys were winning and scoring despite GG.
- aecliptic

Winning and scoring despite GG? Your hatred for him runs deep and your inability to admit Kane sucked is apparent

Winning and scoring despite GG? Your hatred for him runs deep and your inability to admit Kane sucked is apparent
- nyrangers9479

“These guys” meant the team as a whole, sans Kane, cause you know, they played 1 3/4 seasons under GG without him.

I also dont hate GG, I was pretty excited when we got him. However the deficencies in his coaching style became pretty apparent.

Youre stuck in such a tunnel its actually kind of funny at this point.

I think a big problem for that was GG wanted to be more of forechecking team but I’m not sure they’re fast enough to do that. Too much skill and not enough speed. Paranin is a big problem I hate to say it. His money and they really need a different type player with Trocheck, like a Crouse as an example, or someone like that. Big fast forechecking winger who can score. Cuylle NEEDS to be that guy for this organization, and immediately next season. He needs to make the roster

It’s getting harder and harder to defend Drury. I get they needed a center and win faceoffs, but I think that money needed to go to Vatrano and then maybe you sign a 3C who can win draws, then have Chytil as the 2C. Nick Roy was someone they should’ve went after. Chytil is my whipping boy, but I realize he is a good player. He just needs to be more consistent now. But it’s difficult to do that with 3rd line minutes, now he’ll still be a 3C with Trocheck. Unless maybe the new coach will endear himself and split up the kid line use Chytil as a RW. Didn’t he play with Kreider and Zib at some point?🤔 I could be misremembering. I’m not opposed to breaking them up as they made me sick vs Jersey. Really disappointed in all 3 of them

Back to Vatrano, I think that’s where he dropped the ball. He’s kind of the perfect fit and player they need. A RW who shoots and can skate, and Gauthier to a lesser extent. They need to drive the net more. Those guys did that. I think I’d rather have tinkered the roster before firing GG. I hope this firing wasn’t a mistake

Sorry for the long post. I’ve kept low key because I was really depressed after the season lol. Just been thinking about how to improve mostly and haven’t really posted much
- Slimtj100

I disagree for this reason: If it's accurate that the NHL season is split into two styles of play (regular season and playoffs) not many players are capable of playing both styles effectively. Reminds me of something Barry Bonds said when he was asked (both before and after he used steroids) about his lack of production in the playoffs. He wasn't wrong when he would say "I got us to the post-season." That's even more applicable to hockey. The Rangers don't get to the playoffs without players like Panarin and Zibanejad in the regular season. Although it would be great to get better production from them in the playoffs, there's a reason why teams try to load up on a different type of player at the trade deadline but those players don't win you many games in the regular season.

Has an undrafted player ever won the Conn Smythe?
- aecliptic

Other than Gretzky?

I disagree for this reason: If it's accurate that the NHL season is split into two styles of play (regular season and playoffs) not many players are capable of playing both styles effectively. Reminds me of something Barry Bonds said when he was asked (both before and after he used steroids) about his lack of production in the playoffs. He wasn't wrong when he would say "I got us to the post-season." That's even more applicable to hockey. The Rangers don't get to the playoffs without players like Panarin and Zibanejad in the regular season. Although it would be great to get better production from them in the playoffs, there's a reason why teams try to load up on a different type of player at the trade deadline but those players don't win you many games in the regular season.
- dashripdot

I believe we could subtract Panarin and still make the playoffs. Zib had a great playoffs last year, 24 pts in 20 games.