Sports media owns the team.
- Rare_Jewel

So? They don’t own all of the media nor the players.

It would be nothing more than a flat out circus if he were brought in.

So? They don’t own all of the media nor the players.

It would be nothing more than a flat out circus if he were brought in.
- Dozzer

Absolutely no fan base or sports media apologizes more for the failures of the team more than the Leafs.

They would accept it like everything else.

We’d be on more no-trade lists than we already are.
- shack67

Yup. He might be a good coach but there’s no way he’d ever be accepted throughout the league by true fans and players let alone one of the primary locations.

Maybe Arizona might be a quiet enough place but there would be 41 road games where he isn’t well liked either and would have to survive.

Absolutely no fan base or sports media apologizes more for the failures of the team more than the Leafs.

They would accept it like everything else.
- Rare_Jewel

No we wouldn’t.

Only emotionless people can even possibly think your way.

To get to UFA faster. Then signed the biggest 7 or 8 year deal they could get.

Matthews is 99% likely to do the same. 5 years to become a UFA, then either become a UFA and get 7 years or stay here for 8.

14+ as a UFA. Maybe 12-13 as a Leaf. It's going to be 100-110 million either way.
- Rare_Jewel

There was conversation about how agents are changing their focus with some young stars to recommend shorter terms to maximize earnings on the cap acceleration. So coming out of a flat cap it would be at his lowest earning potential - so go on a 3 year term @ 15.34% (for example) and make about $12.8m. Then with the accelerated cap growth post escrow repayment, you'd probably be sitting around $102m - so that same cap hit percentage would be $15.6m.

So you're right - it depends on how much risk he wants to take. He has made around $60m, so a long term deal would be beneficial in terms of ensuring he's secure. One more short-term deal runs a risk, but offers greater career earning capacity.

No we wouldn’t.

Only emotionless people can even possibly think your way.
- Dozzer

It's quite the opposite. The emotions allow Leafs fans to accept whatever the team does because of the hope it might succeed. Only when things go poorly will people call him every name in the book on the way out.

Just like every other coach. Babcock was God when he signed. Now he's the Devil. So was Lou. So was Burke. And so on.

The business is emotionless. They pluck the strings of emotions for a profit.

It's quite the opposite. The emotions allow Leafs fans to accept whatever the team does because of the hope it might succeed. Only when things go poorly will people call him every name in the book on the way out.

Just like every other coach. Babcock was God when he signed. Now he's the Devil. So was Lou. So was Burke. And so on.

The business is emotionless. They pluck the strings of emotions for a profit.
- Rare_Jewel

Babcock was a female dog and I even thought so then. The GMs were fine. The difference?

THEY DIDN’T HIDE A RAPE

There was conversation about how agents are changing their focus with some young stars to recommend shorter terms to maximize earnings on the cap acceleration. So coming out of a flat cap it would be at his lowest earning potential - so go on a 3 year term @ 15.34% (for example) and make about $12.8m. Then with the accelerated cap growth post escrow repayment, you'd probably be sitting around $102m - so that same cap hit percentage would be $15.6m.

So you're right - it depends on how much risk he wants to take. He has made around $60m, so a long term deal would be beneficial in terms of ensuring he's secure. One more short-term deal runs a risk, but offers greater career earning capacity.
- Monkeypunk

Suppose his short term risk puts him in a position where the failure of his team marks him as a playoff bust. Then what?

He played his cards to put himself in a UFA position ASAP. And now it's cash in time. 100 million guaranteed was the play and he's going to get it.

There was conversation about how agents are changing their focus with some young stars to recommend shorter terms to maximize earnings on the cap acceleration. So coming out of a flat cap it would be at his lowest earning potential - so go on a 3 year term @ 15.34% (for example) and make about $12.8m. Then with the accelerated cap growth post escrow repayment, you'd probably be sitting around $102m - so that same cap hit percentage would be $15.6m.

So you're right - it depends on how much risk he wants to take. He has made around $60m, so a long term deal would be beneficial in terms of ensuring he's secure. One more short-term deal runs a risk, but offers greater career earning capacity.
- Monkeypunk

Using those numbers he makes $38.4M for the first deal and $124.8 for the second giving him $163 by the age 37.

At the same % cap hit he makes $102 on a first 8 year deal and is then looking to sign again at age 34. It’s pretty hard to forecast where the cap is and what he’s worth to teams at the end of that deal.

There’s risk either way but going 3 + 8 provides more certainty on the cap growth and signing while still in his prime.

It's quite the opposite. The emotions allow Leafs fans to accept whatever the team does because of the hope it might succeed. Only when things go poorly will people call him every name in the book on the way out.

Just like every other coach. Babcock was God when he signed. Now he's the Devil. So was Lou. So was Burke. And so on.

The business is emotionless. They pluck the strings of emotions for a profit.
- Rare_Jewel

The fact that he's an emotional terrorist and all around poop ass human is the reason for him, rightly, being hated.

Using those numbers he makes $38.4M for the first deal and $124.8 for the second giving him $163 by the age 37.

At the same % cap hit he makes $102 on a first 8 year deal and is then looking to sign again at age 34. It’s pretty hard to forecast where the cap is and what he’s worth to teams at the end of that deal.

There’s risk either way but going 3 + 8 provides more certainty on the cap growth and signing while still in his prime.
- Canada Cup

I would much rather an 8 year term as well. There was just talk of a shorter term follow-up deal.

Hey rare jewel I can see your deleted posts.

And he resigned after meeting with Bettman so he wouldn’t get “punished” lol

He knew about the rape and he hid it.

Also Bettman hasn’t cleared his or Bowman’s return yet either, and openly said he won’t consider it until the playoffs are done.

Hey rare jewel I can see your deleted posts.
- Dozzer

That's fine, I was just trying to avoid this clearly emotional and increasingly irrational debate.

And he resigned after meeting with Bettman so he wouldn’t get “punished” lol

That was the punishment either way. These claims are just that, claims.

He knew about the rape and he hid it

Again, you keep saying that, as if you know without a shadow of a doubt what actually happened. But that's what a court of law is for. He withheld allegations. He wasn't in the room when it happened. It was wrong for him to withhold the allegations but sitting here calling it "hiding a rape" is a disingenuous argument.

What he did was wrong. He stepped away. He paid some price. But he can earn a chance to redeem himself and should be given a 2nd chance to be a better person because of it.

Also Bettman hasn’t cleared his or Bowman’s return yet either, and openly said he won’t consider it until the playoffs are done.

And when he's reinstated, it will be with the utmost of provisions and such a watchful eye that it can't happen again. As it shouldn't.

Okay, so:

1. Keefe not getting fired.
2. Matthews will make a poop ton for 3 years or a poop ton for 8 years.
3. None of the top 4 are getting traded.
4. Quenville, bad.
5. Babcock bad.
6. Leafs have very little $ to fill out the roster so Hellybuck is way too expensive.
7. With $9M Treiliving can get a bigger, stronger, meaner D, a cheap bottom 6 and a couple of bangers with talent on the top 6 wings so the top 4 $ gobblers that can't win and can't be traded don't poop to bed in the playoffs again. But maybe not so bad, if the GM can gently move Schwarzcopf Murray then he'll have a few more $ to play with.
8.Run it back.
9.Win the Cup.

That's really the plan?!?

The fact that any discussion around Q coming back revolves around the recent scandal, is proof that he would be a bad choice for most teams. The optics are bad, so it's a risk to sign him.

I'm going to have a case of the poops if Keefe stays. If one of Dubas or Keefe must stay, then I'd argue Dubas stays. Problem is, Tree seems like a lateral move. So, it almost seems necessary to upgrade on Keefe. He gets consistently outcoached in the post season and keeping him seems like endorsing those failed playoff runs where he stubbornly shot himself in the foot.

The fact that any discussion around Q coming back revolves around the recent scandal, is proof that he would be a bad choice for most teams. The optics are bad, so it's a risk to sign him.

I'm going to have a case of the poops if Keefe stays. If one of Dubas or Keefe must stay, then I'd argue Dubas stays. Problem is, Tree seems like a lateral move. So, it almost seems necessary to upgrade on Keefe. He gets consistently outcoached in the post season and keeping him seems like endorsing those failed playoff runs where he stubbornly shot himself in the foot.
- GalacticStone

The good news is that Keefe's and the Leafs biggest crutch is a free agent and should never be entertained an offer.

As much as I wanted an upgrade on Keefe, I'm not against seeing what he can do when his toys are taken from him.

That's fine, I was just trying to avoid this clearly emotional and increasingly irrational debate.



That was the punishment either way. These claims are just that, claims.



Again, you keep saying that, as if you know without a shadow of a doubt what actually happened. But that's what a court of law is for. He withheld allegations. He wasn't in the room when it happened. It was wrong for him to withhold the allegations but sitting here calling it "hiding a rape" is a disingenuous argument.

What he did was wrong. He stepped away. He paid some price. But he can earn a chance to redeem himself and should be given a 2nd chance to be a better person because of it.



And when he's reinstated, it will be with the utmost of provisions and such a watchful eye that it can't happen again. As it shouldn't.
- Rare_Jewel

If he didn’t do anything wrong then why does he need the league’s permission to sign somewhere?

https://www.news4jax.com/...ns-in-blackhawks-scandal/

He hid a rape, plain and simple, anyone not seeing this is deliberately looking the other way.

if treedying hires quimville it will signal to me that they are finally serious about winning and i will consider purchasing that panzerkampfwagen sweater i’ve had my eye on 😍👊🏿
- Skalapy

That explains a lot….

You’re a dumb (frank)ing female genitalia.

Seriously.

🤮

If he didn’t do anything wrong then why does he need the league’s permission to sign somewhere?

https://www.news4jax.com/...ns-in-blackhawks-scandal/

He hid a rape, plain and simple, anyone not seeing this is deliberately looking the other way.
- Dozzer

Didn't say he didn't do something wrong but what you're saying he did is unsubstantiated. As are a lot of the other claims made by people here such as that he wrote a letter of recommendation which was proven totally false. It's a disingenuous argument, plain and simple.

Didn't say he didn't do something wrong but what you're saying he did is unsubstantiated. As are a lot of the other claims made by people here such as that he wrote a letter of recommendation which was proven totally false. It's a disingenuous argument, plain and simple.
- Rare_Jewel

So it's wrong but it's not... Wrong enough?

You're the only trying to make excuses for the guy and lessen the severity of his actions. Why? In the name of potentially winning hockey games?

Just move along.

Didn't say he didn't do something wrong but what you're saying he did is unsubstantiated. As are a lot of the other claims made by people here such as that he wrote a letter of recommendation which was proven totally false. It's a disingenuous argument, plain and simple.
- Rare_Jewel

He’s banned from the league currently and you think he didn’t do anything to receive that punishment?

Either way there’s no way Toronto is dumb enough to hire him anyways.

Wayne Newton looks like a wax caricature of himself.

Wayne Newton looks like a wax caricature of himself.
- shack67

Appears Steven Seagal does too.

Appears Steven Seagal does too.
- Leafsmart

Yes. I can’t believe any man would do that to themselves.

Look like Barbashev should have been Dubas' main target from the Blues, seeing him lay out multiple Panthers has been fun.