To get to UFA faster. Then signed the biggest 7 or 8 year deal they could get.

Matthews is 99% likely to do the same.
- Rare_Jewel

He may, but this is a once in a life time occurrence with where the salary CAP is.

Within 3 years, the CAP is suspected to be going up like, $10M. After the stagnation brought upon by the Covid pandemic.

CC has been saying it for a while, and I agree with him. It's likely Matthews could sign a 3 year deal.

Can debate on whether or not he deserves a second chance, but it absolutely should not be here.
- GreatGigInTheSky

It's not much of a debate. He made a mistake. He apologized. He stepped down. He stayed away. He's asking to be reinstated and will be under future scrutiny in the future.

Absolutely 1000% should be here. 3 Stanley Cups with a cast of players not too different than what the Leafs currently have. He's the best coach available and that's exactly what this team needs now and going forward.

He's from here, he was drafted by this organization and he's been a star both on and off the ice everywhere except here. Time to come home and get the job done.

Amen!!!
- Bullot

I think you and Rare-Jewel are one and the same.

He should be given a 2nd chance and it should be here. He's the best qualified coach available and there's no way he makes the same mistake twice because there will be every provision to guarantee it can't happen again.

These people who mentally live in a world where people can't be redeemed and earn a second chance is just asinine.
- Rare_Jewel

……a second chance!? He should have been canned two years ago, and again last year! But yeah we’ll call this a second chance!

He may, but this is a once in a life time occurrence with where the salary CAP is.

Within 3 years, the CAP is suspected to be going up like, $10M. After the stagnation brought upon by the Covid pandemic.

CC has been saying it for a while, and I agree with him. It's likely Matthews could sign a 3 year deal.
- GreatGigInTheSky

It's not likely, it's a pipe dream.

10 million increase of 83 million is a 12% increase in cap.

12% increase on 13 million a year is 14.5 million a year. He can already get that as a UFA today. The risk of having a career altering or ending injury is too much for any agent to advise him to take a 3 year deal.

Just look at the difference in his output from 60 goals down to 40 goals in 1 year. What if he has a bad year on a short term deal? Now the money goes down, not up.

Using this flawed logic, he could just sign 1 year deals and cash in every time he scores 60 goals to the highest bidder. Reality is, players don't do this. It's highly uncommon and highly unlikely. It's a fantasy Leafs fans created so they can hope he will stay here without destroying their cap situation.

……a second chance!? He should have been canned two years ago, and again last year! But yeah we’ll call this a second chance!
- Bullot

I'm not talking about Keefe. He should have never been hired. I'm talking about giving Quenneville a 2nd chance.

It's not much of a debate. He made a mistake. He apologized. He stepped down. He stayed away. He's asking to be reinstated and will be under future scrutiny in the future.

Absolutely 1000% should be here. 3 Stanley Cups with a cast of players not too different than what the Leafs currently have. He's the best coach available and that's exactly what this team needs now and going forward.

He's from here, he was drafted by this organization and he's been a star both on and off the ice everywhere except here. Time to come home and get the job done.
- Rare_Jewel

That's your opinion and it doesn't count for 1000% of anything. Just because you are clearly morally bankrupt doesn't mean anyone else is obligated to be let alone an entire organization.

I'm not talking about Keefe. He should have never been hired. I'm talking about giving Quenneville a 2nd chance.
- Rare_Jewel

Ahhhh sorry!! Yes I completely agree on Quenneville!!

That's your opinion and it doesn't count for 1000% of anything. Just because you are clearly morally bankrupt doesn't mean anyone else is obligated to be let alone an entire organization.
- joel878

Clear moral bankruptcy is refusing to allow a person to earn a 2nd chance.

Anyone read the article about Nylander for Byram straight up?
- Tee-Dot

Nope.
Leafs giving up too much in that deal

I listened to that ...he's right - Keefe would be a 'top guy' because he racked up 115 and 111 pt seasons. But that doesn't mean that Treeman thinks he's the top guy for this job.

He might ....but he might not.
- The Law

If I was reading between the lines, I'd think Treliving was essentially saying "my guy isn't available".

He may, but this is a once in a life time occurrence with where the salary CAP is.

Within 3 years, the CAP is suspected to be going up like, $10M. After the stagnation brought upon by the Covid pandemic.

CC has been saying it for a while, and I agree with him. It's likely Matthews could sign a 3 year deal.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Ive been saying for a month or so.
3 years less money.

Ahhhh sorry!! Yes I completely agree on Quenneville!!
- Bullot

It's okay, simple misunderstanding.

I, unlike others, will forgive you.

Bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

It's not much of a debate. He made a mistake. He apologized. He stepped down. He stayed away. He's asking to be reinstated and will be under future scrutiny in the future.

Absolutely 1000% should be here. 3 Stanley Cups with a cast of players not too different than what the Leafs currently have. He's the best coach available and that's exactly what this team needs now and going forward.

He's from here, he was drafted by this organization and he's been a star both on and off the ice everywhere except here. Time to come home and get the job done.
- Rare_Jewel

"just a mistake". Covering up for sexual assault for a DECADE and giving the guy a recommendation to work somewhere else is beyond just a mistake. Get over your POS self. Go let all the women in your life know it's okay if they are assaulted because you got money out of it. You're a terrible POS that should be banned for suggesting this is okay.

It's a privilege to work in the NHL and be someone that others aspire to be. Young coaches aspire to be like NHL coaches. He can have his 2nd chance somewhere else. The NHL shouldn't be it. What a poop role model.

It's not much of a debate. He made a mistake. He apologized. He stepped down. He stayed away. He's asking to be reinstated and will be under future scrutiny in the future.

Absolutely 1000% should be here. 3 Stanley Cups with a cast of players not too different than what the Leafs currently have. He's the best coach available and that's exactly what this team needs now and going forward.

He's from here, he was drafted by this organization and he's been a star both on and off the ice everywhere except here. Time to come home and get the job done.
- Rare_Jewel

Agreed. It's not a debate at all, really.

He did something reprehensible and then on top of, gave the rapist a recommendation so that he could get a job around kids.

It's not likely, it's a pipe dream.

10 million increase of 83 million is a 12% increase in cap.

12% increase on 13 million a year is 14.5 million a year. He can already get that as a UFA today. The risk of having a career altering or ending injury is too much for any agent to advise him to take a 3 year deal.

Just look at the difference in his output from 60 goals down to 40 goals in 1 year. What if he has a bad year on a short term deal? Now the money goes down, not up.

Using this flawed logic, he could just sign 1 year deals and cash in every time he scores 60 goals to the highest bidder. Reality is, players don't do this. It's highly uncommon and highly unlikely. It's a fantasy Leafs fans created so they can hope he will stay here without destroying their cap situation.
- Rare_Jewel

Yeah, it's not like Matthews has bet on himself at literally every turn or something. Oh wait. That's exactly what he's done.

Been doing it since before he was even drafted, in going over to the Swiss league. It's unlikely he'll stop now.

Trust me, I'd much prefer him to sign a max term deal.

Ive been saying for a month or so.
3 years less money.
- Fakepartofme

How much less money you thinking? 'Cause I think he'll still be getting a large amount of money, even with a 3 year term.

I'm not talking about Keefe. He should have never been hired. I'm talking about giving Quenneville a 2nd chance.
- Rare_Jewel

QueenVille has to be cleared by the Chief's. Bettman & Daly

if treedying hires quimville it will signal to me that they are finally serious about winning and i will consider purchasing that panzerkampfwagen sweater i’ve had my eye on 😍👊🏿

"just a mistake". Covering up for sexual assault for a DECADE and giving the guy a recommendation to work somewhere else is beyond just a mistake. Get over your POS self. Go let all the women in your life know it's okay if they are assaulted because you got money out of it. You're a terrible POS that should be banned for suggesting this is okay.

It's a privilege to work in the NHL and be someone that others aspire to be. Young coaches aspire to be like NHL coaches. He can have his 2nd chance somewhere else. The NHL shouldn't be it. What a poop role model.
- Aaron_85

Agreed. It's not a debate at all, really.

He did something reprehensible and then on top of, gave the rapist a recommendation so that he could get a job around kids.
- GreatGigInTheSky

These are misrepresentations of the facts. You both have your information wrong. Unless you can provide some evidence with these claims, other than speculation and rumors, the facts are not what you claim them to be.

The report that was written showed an unreleased internal performance review. The report shows at no point did Quenneville give this guy a letter of recommendation. That was a wild rumor that people like you read on Twitter and believed without actually reading the report.

After leaving his employment with the Blackhawks, Aldrich went on to work and volunteer at USA Hockey, the University of Notre Dame, Miami University of Ohio, and Houghton High School.621 None of the witnesses we interviewed recalled anyone at the Blackhawks providing a written or verbal reference for Aldrich to his future employers. When interviewed, Aldrich stated that he did not list any Blackhawks employees as references on job applications, nor did he ask anyone from the Blackhawks to vouch for him or make any calls on his behalf.622 USA Hockey reported to us that they identified no records reflecting a reference provided for Aldrich by the Blackhawks.623 We gathered records from Miami University regarding Aldrich’s employment and found no evidence of references, whether written or oral, provided by the Blackhawks. Miami University published an investigative report on September 24, 2021, which stated that Aldrich did not provide references on his resume when he applied to Miami, that the then-head coach of Miami University’s hockey team received Aldrich’s name from the coach’s collegiate hockey connections, and that the head coach and others spoke to the University of Notre Dame about Aldrich and received favorable information.624 The Miami investigative report does not describe any references provided by the Blackhawks.625 The University of Notre Dame declined to share information or records with us, other than to confirm Aldrich’s dates of employment at the university. Houghton High School reported to us that they identified no records reflecting a reference provided for Aldrich by the Blackhawks.626 The head hockey coach at Houghton High School told us that Aldrich did not formally apply for volunteer hockey coaching positions in 2010 and 2012.627 The head coach explained that Aldrich’s uncle, who was the assistant coach in 2010, had told the head coach that Aldrich was not working and asked if the team could help Aldrich.628 In 2012, the team re-hired Aldrich as a volunteer based on his work as a volunteer in 2010.629 The head coach said that he did not contact the Blackhawks about Aldrich at any time.630

With all due respect, the wild speculation, incorrect information, etc. being spread directly hinders the ability of the investigators to do their jobs by influencing people's memories, as said on p. 13:

Our investigation was affected by the limitations of witnesses’ memories. Memory is malleable and subject to alteration over time, and it is not surprising that witnesses would have divergent recollections of the same events.8 During the course of our investigation, certain inaccurate information has been publicly disseminated. Many witnesses reported that they were exposed to news and social media posts regarding our investigation and related topics.

What he did was wrong. He quit. He stayed away. He paid a price. He didn't get charged. Wasn't convicted of a crime. Didn't go to jail. And if Bettman reinstates him, it will be with the utmost of provisions and will be nearly impossible for him to make the same mistake twice.

Yeah, it's not like Matthews has bet on himself at literally every turn or something. Oh wait. That's exactly what he's done.

Been doing it since before he was even drafted, in going over to the Swiss league. It's unlikely he'll stop now.

Trust me, I'd much prefer him to sign a max term deal.
- GreatGigInTheSky

If he bet on himself, he'd take a 1 year deal every time.

But he won't.

Because 100 million guaranteed, is guaranteed. Every gambler knows when to cash in the chips and that time is now.

Agreed. It's not a debate at all, really.

He did something reprehensible and then on top of, gave the rapist a recommendation so that he could get a job around kids.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Most of the quenneville supporters are homophobic.

If anyone thinks Quenneville will get hired by the most media scrutinized team in the league with their core all a couple years away from UFA status they’re nuts.

Good coach or no the Toronto media would eat his past up like crazy and that coupled with why would literally make players not want to be on the leafs any longer.

If anyone thinks Quenneville will get hired by the most media scrutinized team in the league with their core all a couple years away from UFA status they’re nuts.

Good coach or no the Toronto media would eat his past up like crazy and that coupled with why would literally make players not want to be on the leafs any longer.
- Dozzer

Sports media owns the team.

If anyone thinks Quenneville will get hired by the most media scrutinized team in the league with their core all a couple years away from UFA status they’re nuts.

Good coach or no the Toronto media would eat his past up like crazy and that coupled with why would literally make players not want to be on the leafs any longer.
- Dozzer

We’d be on more no-trade lists than we already are.