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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 6 @ 8:33 AM ET
I'm just happy that Dumba didn't think there was any systematic racism in Canada, or at least any need to address it at the time. Only in the US.
- jmatchett383

Like I said terrible for everyone involved. But hurdurdur #discourse
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 6 @ 8:34 AM ET
I'm just happy that Dumba didn't think there was any systematic racism in Canada, or at least any need to address it at the time. Only in the US.
- jmatchett383


Yeah didn't he take a knee for the US Anthem, but stood for O Canada at center ice for a game he wasn't even playing in? Even though Trudaue wore blackface which isnt Racist?

Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 6 @ 8:44 AM ET
Yeah didn't he take a knee for the US Anthem, but stood for O Canada at center ice for a game he wasn't even playing in? Even though Trudaue wore blackface which isnt Racist?
- sammy87

Yeah but you’re the racist.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 6 @ 9:08 AM ET
I'm just happy that Dumba didn't think there was any systematic racism in Canada, or at least any need to address it at the time. Only in the US.
- jmatchett383


hahahah our countires are very similar, in both bad and good ways alike.

"I think my biggest regret was not doing it for the Canadian national anthem as well because there needs to be a lot of light that has to be shed on what it happening in Canada and the oppression First Nations have felt for hundreds of years. I have First Nations and Aboriginal families that have lived it and I was disappointed looking back on it.”
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 6 @ 9:22 AM ET
hahahah our countires are very similar, in both bad and good ways alike.

- MattStrat


SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Jun 6 @ 9:39 AM ET
hahahah our countires are very similar, in both bad and good ways alike.

"I think my biggest regret was not doing it for the Canadian national anthem as well because there needs to be a lot of light that has to be shed on what it happening in Canada and the oppression First Nations have felt for hundreds of years. I have First Nations and Aboriginal families that have lived it and I was disappointed looking back on it.”

- MattStrat

many people on the left in the US think Canada and Europe are both post-racial utopias whereas the US is a racial hell hole. I study abroad with friends during college and the racism one of my friends dealt with while in Europe was unbelievable to me. I
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 6 @ 9:42 AM ET
many people on the left in the US think Canada and Europe are both post-racial utopias whereas the US is a racial hell hole. I study abroad with friends during college and the racism one of my friends dealt with while in Europe was unbelievable to me. I
- SuperHenderson13


I found Latin America was a whole other level of racism when I lived in Puerto Rico for a short period.
Brownsoldier
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Altoona
Joined: 06.30.2015

Jun 6 @ 9:47 AM ET
I found Latin America was a whole other level of racism when I lived in Puerto Rico for a short period.
- sammy87



This.

Wife is born and raised in Bolivia and Spanish is her second language (Quechua, the Andean dialect, is her first). When visiting Bolivia and other Latin American countries, it is wild. I have to hide out of plain view while she talks to locals.
Brownsoldier
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Altoona
Joined: 06.30.2015

Jun 6 @ 9:49 AM ET
And to change topics, what does a debrincat
Trade look like? Rust + 1st + Ruuta?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 9:58 AM ET
I found Latin America was a whole other level of racism when I lived in Puerto Rico for a short period.
- sammy87


My wife is Puerto Rican and Dominican and she's like "American's don't know poop about racism lol go to PR or DR. Go to Haiti or hell any Asian country."
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:01 AM ET
many people on the left in the US think Canada and Europe are both post-racial utopias whereas the US is a racial hell hole. I study abroad with friends during college and the racism one of my friends dealt with while in Europe was unbelievable to me. I
- SuperHenderson13

I call my European friends out on this all the time when race issues get brought up. At least it’s socially unacceptable to be casually racist here. In Europe you can spit at gypsies or North Africans and no one bats an eye.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:03 AM ET
My wife is Puerto Rican and Dominican and she's like "American's don't know poop about racism lol go to PR or DR. Go to Haiti or hell any Asian country."
- j.boyd919

As a Puerto Rican who had a very racist grandmother, the Puerto Rican brand of racism is objectively hilarious. Let me tell you, there is no pure blood conquistador on that island. I’m probably as close as you can get to it and even my great grandmother was kinda dark skinned. So you basically have different shades of olive to dark skin claiming whiteness and looking down on the various shades darker than them.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 6 @ 10:06 AM ET
Lemmy had it right. We're never gonna solve racism unless we all intermingle and end up with a sort of coffee colored skin.

MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:07 AM ET
many people on the left in the US think Canada and Europe are both post-racial utopias whereas the US is a racial hell hole. I study abroad with friends during college and the racism one of my friends dealt with while in Europe was unbelievable to me. I
- SuperHenderson13


Nah, its everywhere. Though I do think its possible there's less. Our country, even though it has more land than the USA, only has like 1/11th the population of the USA. So I think that opens up the possibility of there being more of anything in your country. Also, whereas USA is like almost right down the middle 50/50 left/right ...Canada is closer to 70/30 left/right...maybe more like 65/35...its around there, anyway. I could see lefty Americans thinking its utopia-like up here but our sh!t stinks too...there just isn't nearly as many people taking sh!ts haha
This was speaking in terms of voting but pretty much everyone I know in life, that is Canadian and no matter where they are in Canada, is pretty centered/middle of the road when it comes beliefs. I suspect there's a lot of people like that in USA too.

I chose not to buy the coverage and fear stoking of each side the media likes to sell by usually just covering the extremes of each side. Anyone who thinks/believes the representation of each side that their medias are selling applies to all of that side need to go walk off a cliff IMO hahaha
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:10 AM ET
As a Puerto Rican who had a very racist grandmother, the Puerto Rican brand of racism is objectively hilarious. Let me tell you, there is no pure blood conquistador on that island. I’m probably as close as you can get to it and even my great grandmother was kinda dark skinned. So you basically have different shades of olive to dark skin claiming whiteness and looking down on the various shades darker than them.
- Victoro311


So like racism against Caucasians? How does that sound? like what is said? I'm so curious about this hahaha
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:11 AM ET
Lemmy had it right. We're never gonna solve racism unless we all intermingle and end up with a sort of coffee colored skin.


- jmatchett383



j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 10:19 AM ET
So like racism against Caucasians? How does that sound? like what is said? I'm so curious about this hahaha
- MattStrat


What do you call 4 white dudes sitting in a hot tub?

Soup and crackers.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:23 AM ET
So like racism against Caucasians? How does that sound? like what is said? I'm so curious about this hahaha
- MattStrat

No like non-white people being racist to darker skinned people.

It’s kind of similar to what they have in Japan where even though they’re all the same race (Japan is super homogeneous), your skin color is seen as a tell of your socio economic status. Rich people are light skinned because they’re rich and don’t have to work outside and poor people are dark skinned because they do have to work outside. Obviously that’s not true, people just have different pigmentation, but bigotry stems from that kind of thinking in Japan.

In Puerto Rico it’s that kind of skin tone concept but applied more directly to race. The darker you are, the worse your genes you have and the more likely you are to be bad people/riffraff. It’s good old fashioned racism but it’s funny because it’s between people who often don’t look very different at all.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 6 @ 10:27 AM ET
My wife is Puerto Rican and Dominican and she's like "American's don't know poop about racism lol go to PR or DR. Go to Haiti or hell any Asian country."
- j.boyd919



Yeah in PR nobody gave a poop about me. The chics were smoking hot!

Its just how casually poopty they all talked about Dominicans then Jamaicans. A lot just poop all over Mexicans. It was interesting.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 10:27 AM ET
No like non-white people being racist to darker skinned people.

It’s kind of similar to what they have in Japan where even though they’re all the same race (Japan is super homogeneous), your skin color is seen as a tell of your socio economic status. Rich people are light skinned because they’re rich and don’t have to work outside and poor people are dark skinned because they do have to work outside. Obviously that’s not true, people just have different pigmentation, but bigotry stems from that kind of thinking in Japan.

In Puerto Rico it’s that kind of skin tone concept but applied more directly to race. The darker you are, the worse your genes you have and the more likely you are to be bad people/riffraff. It’s good old fashioned racism but it’s funny because it’s between people who often don’t look very different at all.

- Victoro311


Yeah my wife always tells me about these damn videos she watches on instagram or facebook about white people getting mad at hispanic poop and shes like wtf are you even mad about? this doesn't affect you at all, and I don't know a single brown person who'd be mad at that.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:28 AM ET
Nah, its everywhere. Though I do think its possible there's less. Our country, even though it has more land than the USA, only has like 1/11th the population of the USA. So I think that opens up the possibility of there being more of anything in your country. Also, whereas USA is like almost right down the middle 50/50 left/right ...Canada is closer to 70/30 left/right...maybe more like 65/35...its around there, anyway. I could see lefty Americans thinking its utopia-like up here but our sh!t stinks too...there just isn't nearly as many people taking sh!ts haha
This was speaking in terms of voting but pretty much everyone I know in life, that is Canadian and no matter where they are in Canada, is pretty centered/middle of the road when it comes beliefs. I suspect there's a lot of people like that in USA too.

I chose not to buy the coverage and fear stoking of each side the media likes to sell by usually just covering the extremes of each side. Anyone who thinks/believes the representation of each side that their medias are selling applies to all of that side need to go walk off a cliff IMO hahaha

- MattStrat

You just described the law of averages and I tend to agree with it. America has race issues that are unique to America, and they’re a long way from being fixed, but so does Canada, and so does every Europe. We may have a particularly bad history in this department that not every other country with race issues has (though some were extremely complicit in that history at best LOOKING AT YOU ENGLAND, SPAIN, PORTUGAL, NETHERLANDS), but for the most part we do acknowledge it and aren’t proud of it. Lots of countries do not acknowledge their race issues and this holier than though attitude of poopting on America for being a racist country is both counter factual and annoying.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 6 @ 10:28 AM ET
My wife is Puerto Rican and Dominican and she's like "American's don't know poop about racism lol go to PR or DR. Go to Haiti or hell any Asian country."
- j.boyd919


Oh yeah Asia LOL....Our Japanese sales rep is not allowed in Korea. None of our customers will deal with him.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 6 @ 10:31 AM ET
Oh yeah Asia LOL....Our Japanese sales rep is not allowed in Korea. None of our customers will deal with him.
- sammy87

The Japan/Korea thing is super intense. I would not touch that dynamic with a ten foot pole.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 10:32 AM ET
You just described the law of averages and I tend to agree with it. America has race issues that are unique to America, and they’re a long way from being fixed, but so does Canada, and so does every Europe. We may have a particularly bad history in this department that not every other country with race issues has (though some were extremely complicit in that history at best LOOKING AT YOU ENGLAND, SPAIN, PORTUGAL, NETHERLANDS), but for the most part we do acknowledge it and aren’t proud of it. Lots of countries do not acknowledge their race issues and this holier than though attitude of poopting on America for being a racist country is both counter factual and annoying.
- Victoro311



It's 2023 and slavery (or slave wages) still exists in other countries, that's some wild poop.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Jun 6 @ 10:33 AM ET
And to change topics, what does a debrincat
Trade look like? Rust + 1st + Ruuta?

- Brownsoldier


Not sure. Would Rust waive to go to Ottawa? Remember that he has the hammer on any trade. Probably not but I think that is a trade the Sens might go for.

He fits the right shot sniper hole that the Pens need but I don't necessarily know if he is going to be worth the contract he is going to command. Qualifying offer for him is $9M... if its between him and Jake I'll take Guentzel all day long.

I'd be more interested in focusing on Laine. Under contract for 3 years so less long term risk, I think he has more offensive upside playing with the Pens.


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