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TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 5 @ 12:07 PM ET
I remember the Dan Cleary days fondly. Similar to former Eagle Frank Gore.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Jun 5 @ 12:14 PM ET
Was really depressing those first two games at home. But then the Flyers won on a Lindros goal in OT in game 3 (were 4-0 in OT those playoffs), and won again in NJ in game 4 to knot the series. And back home, they were tied into the last minute of the 3rd period of game 5 until...


I went to one of the games at the Spectrum that series...yeah NJ just strangled the life out of teams that year with the trap. Claude Lemieux scored from an unscreened shot from the blueline to Hextall's blocker side that pretty much ended the game. That was a depressing series.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jun 5 @ 12:31 PM ET
I think it'll be Berube
- Dkos

Yes! He is a chef šŸ‘Øā€šŸ³ to, sorry chief.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 5 @ 12:41 PM ET
Excluding Hayes or Tony D. Predict the first flyers trade under the 3 headed monster management group.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 5 @ 12:52 PM ET
Excluding Hayes or Tony D. Predict the first flyers trade under the 3 headed monster management group.
- hello it's me 2050


I guess I will have to say Provorov. Dont ask me to where or for who.


Dark horse candidate is Konecny.

Even darker horse is Hart. But with Hellebuyck on the market we may not get the deal we should for Hart.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 5 @ 12:53 PM ET
Excluding Hayes or Tony D. Predict the first flyers trade under the 3 headed monster management group.
- hello it's me 2050

Provorov, I think itā€™s time for both player and the team to part ways. Heā€™s clearly hit a wall, he needs to be down a couple on the depth chart.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 5 @ 12:57 PM ET
I guess I will have to say Provorov. Dont ask me to where or for who.


Dark horse candidate is Konecny.

Even darker horse is Hart. But with Hellebuyck on the market we may not get the deal we should for Hart.

- MBFlyerfan

many teams need a goalie upgrade. Helle imo wont effect Hart being moved. Plus Hart will be cheaper $ wise they next few years.

dont see the flyers moving him, though for some reason don't think torts is 100% sold on him.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Jun 5 @ 1:09 PM ET
Was really depressing those first two games at home. But then the Flyers won on a Lindros goal in OT in game 3 (were 4-0 in OT those playoffs), and won again in NJ in game 4 to knot the series. And back home, they were tied into the last minute of the 3rd period of game 5 until...
- copelal
Hexy crapped the bed. We were at that game. Terrible goal.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 5 @ 1:25 PM ET
Didn't realize that Gags was coaching now. That's good to see.

Roy's rumored to be heading back to the NHL. Hope he takes Gags with him.

- Tomahawk


I thought that was him on the bench with Roy when I watched the game last night. One of my all time fave Flyers.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 5 @ 1:27 PM ET
many teams need a goalie upgrade. Helle imo wont effect Hart being moved. Plus Hart will be cheaper $ wise they next few years.

dont see the flyers moving him, though for some reason don't think torts is 100% sold on him.

- hello it's me 2050



You think teams with the means will choose to trade for Hart over Hellebuyck because he is cheaper?

I disagree Hellebuyck's availability will not impact what teams are interested in Hart.

I agree with you that I don't see the Flyers moving him. At least not this offseason/season.


Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 5 @ 1:41 PM ET
I remember the Dan Cleary days fondly. Similar to former Eagle Frank Gore.
- TobyFlenderson


Still can't believe that Homer almost signed him to a 3-year deal.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 5 @ 1:43 PM ET
One of my all time fave Flyers.
- Hextall271


Same!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ęœØē³ åøƒäø, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jun 5 @ 1:59 PM ET
I remember the Dan Cleary days fondly. Similar to former Eagle Frank Gore.
- TobyFlenderson


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 5 @ 2:00 PM ET
You think teams with the means will choose to trade for Hart over Hellebuyck because he is cheaper?

I disagree Hellebuyck's availability will not impact what teams are interested in Hart.

I agree with you that I don't see the Flyers moving him. At least not this offseason/season.

- MBFlyerfan
your comment was with helle on the market flyers may not get what they want. I disagree. Many teams need a goalie.

Yes cost will always be a factor. Teams value goalies differently. Some may feel you can win with either in goal.

agree in bold I though you were saying the opposite.
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 5 @ 2:03 PM ET
Still can't believe that Homer almost signed him to a 3-year deal.
- Tomahawk

Didn't he end up going back to Detroit for less than a mil? Strange times. It's no Deslauriers contract but it would've been ugly given the reported terms.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 5 @ 2:10 PM ET
your comment was with helle on the market flyers may not get what they want. I disagree. Many teams need a goalie.

Yes cost will always be a factor. Teams value goalies differently. Some may feel you you can win with either in goal.

agree in bold I though you were saying the opposite.

- hello it's me 2050



You can win with Darcy Kuemper and Adin Hill in goal. Even Antti Niemi in goal.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 5 @ 2:22 PM ET


You can win with Darcy Kuemper and Adin Hill in goal. Even Antti Niemi in goal.

- Minnyhock

Kumper didn't have a great series though he is/was a good goalie. If Vegas wins some dope gonna overpay Hill I bet.

Hart has good value to me and teams are in need of an upgrade.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 5 @ 2:22 PM ET
Didn't he end up going back to Detroit for less than a mil? Strange times. It's no Deslauriers contract but it would've been ugly given the reported terms.
- TobyFlenderson


Haha yeah, they didn't have the space at the time so they just invited him on a PTO with the promise of signing him later. He noped out of there and went back to Detroit.

Homer didn't exactly have a great track record of keeping his word I guess. See: Gagne, Richards, Carter, etc.
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 5 @ 2:28 PM ET


You can win with Darcy Kuemper and Adin Hill in goal. Even Antti Niemi in goal.

- Minnyhock



You just had to didn't ya...
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 5 @ 2:32 PM ET
Kumper didn't have a great series though he is/was a good goalie. If Vegas wins some dope gonna overpay Hill I bet.

Hart has good value to me and teams are in need of an upgrade.

- hello it's me 2050


A very good to great team could win with Hart. A goalie needs to make the saves heā€™s supposed to make. Honestly though, Hart is a middle of the road goalie.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 5 @ 2:42 PM ET
A very good to great team could win with Hart. A goalie needs to make the saves heā€™s supposed to make. Honestly though, Hart is a middle of the road goalie.
- Minnyhock

I still he think he has the shine/reputation where teams may think otherwise. Plus you do have to take into consideration the team he has been on. It wears on you
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 5 @ 2:54 PM ET
I still he think he has the shine/reputation where teams may think otherwise. Plus you do have to take into consideration the team he has been on. It wears on you
- hello it's me 2050


I donā€™t disagree that someone will overpay to get Hart and Helle. Many WPG fans want Helle gone because heā€™s overpriced and they donā€™t think he comes up big in big games. I donā€™t think Hart having so many games played at 24 is a plus.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 5 @ 3:05 PM ET
I donā€™t disagree that someone will overpay to get Hart and Helle. Many WPG fans want Helle gone because heā€™s overpriced and they donā€™t think he comes up big in big games. I donā€™t think Hart having so many games played at 24 is a plus.
- Minnyhock

Be real curious what Harts value really is and what is being offered. Also curious how the 3 headed monster views him.
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Jun 5 @ 3:20 PM ET
We trade Provy for a 2nd in 2023 and a 1st round in 2024.

Hayes goes for a depth player and retained salary.

Biggest surprise isn't TK, it's Coots getting traded to MTL for their #5 overall this year.

Danny B leaks a story about Connor Bedard's insatiable cocaine habit and he drops to us at #5.

Keith Jones finally completes word search that Danny gave him to keep him occupied prior to the draft.

We still finish out of playoffs.

I think we need to bury a pile of dog poop at center ice when we make the ice this year. Exercise those demons.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 5 @ 3:32 PM ET
Be real curious what Harts value really is and what is being offered. Also curious how the 3 headed monster views him.
- hello it's me 2050


This chart is from a piece trying to gauge Filip Gustavsson's trade value this summer:



and add to that...

Nedeljkovic (25) was traded for Bernier and a 3rd.
Campbell (28) + Clifford were traded for Trevor Moore and two 3rds.
Lehner (28) was traded for M Subban, a prospect and a 2nd.
Ben Bishop (26) was traded for Cory Conacher and a 4th.
Adin Hill (26) was traded for a prospect and a 2nd.
Vladar (23) was traded for a 3rd.


I wouldn't expect a king's ransom for Hart.
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