Jeff Veillette
@JeffVeillette
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The Panthers have not been shy to go on the PK this season

Regular Season: 3.55/GP (3rd NHL)
Round 1: 27 in 7 GP (3.9/GP)
Round 2: 11 in 5 GP (2.2/GP)
Round 3: 14 in 4 GP (3.5/GP)
Tonight: 8 and counting

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Such a disciplined team for a "random" 5 game stretch.
- GreatGigInTheSky

In one game against we had no powerplays if I recall correctly.

- 21peter

It is about time he closes

- 21peter

Big win! 🏆

Guys we have been going about this wrong all along. They key is to have Matthews and Tavares on LTIR at the trade deadline and eligible to come back for the playoffs. Acquire an extra $25 million in players .

I know it's Kypreos, but man, I need this to be right.

Guys we have been going about this wrong all along. They key is to have Matthews and Tavares on LTIR at the trade deadline and eligible for come back for the playoffs. Acquire an extra $25 million in players .
- jribout

You know as well as the rest of us that if the Leafs did it, the NHL would actually do their (frank)ing jobs for once.

You know as well as the rest of us that if the Leafs did it, the NHL would actually do their (frank)ing jobs for once.
- GreatGigInTheSky

For sure, but a wise old man said Vegas does it right.

So who would be the team like Chicago? Because it’s not going to be them while they have Mrazek.

I also don’t see them running with nothing more than 20 guys especially with a D man the age of Gio. So let’s at least agree on 21 players, 22 with one extra forward but we’ll stick away from that and meet in the middle fair?

Goalie change has not been made yet so until it does assuming it will get done is nothing more than a prediction so let’s stay away from that. Means they have two goalies though so perfect we don’t have to think about that.

Means:

They have 2 goalies (good), 7 d men (with one on LTIR), and 8 forwards (with one on IR)

They have $9.1 million in cap space and need 5 forwards and 1 back up D man
- Dozzer

I’d it understand your numbers. They have $44.68M committed to 7 forwards ($45.5 or so for 8 if you count Robertson.) $17.8 is going to 6 D, not counting Muzzin who is on LTIR. Murray and Woll cost $5.5ish and that number probably comes down $1M if they exchange Sammy for Murray. That’s $67.6 against an $83.5 cap. That leaves $16 or $17M to fill out the roster. I really don’t think Max can save Muzzin.

They have 5 of their top 6 already there. They’ll need a 2C for say $5 or so, one or two in the $2-3 range and a combo of Marlies and bargain basement types up front. That should leave a bit for a Schenn and maybe one guy better on D.

They don’t need to move Marner of Willie for cap reasons. If they want to mix things up, they can make a move but they’re not hard up for $.

A McCabe - Liljegren pairing would be pretty great on the 2nd pair for the next 2 seasons.

Don't know if Schenn can play the full 82, but I'd very much love to see him with Rielly again.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Rielly-Schenn had the second best GA/60 minutes going in the playoffs.

https://twitter.com/seree...&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg

I’d it understand your numbers. They have $44.68M committed to 7 forwards ($45.5 or so for 8 if you count Robertson.) $17.8 is going to 6 D, not counting Muzzin who is on LTIR. Murray and Woll cost $5.5ish and that number probably comes down $1M if they exchange Sammy for Murray. That’s $67.6 against an $83.5 cap. That leaves $16 or $17M to fill out the roster. I really don’t think Max can save Muzzin.

They have 5 of their top 6 already there. They’ll need a 2C for say $5 or so, one or two in the $2-3 range and a combo of Marlies and bargain basement types up front. That should leave a bit for a Schenn and maybe one guy better on D.

They don’t need to move Marner of Willie for cap reasons. If they want to mix things up, they can make a move but they’re not hard up for $.
- Canada Cup

I won’t play along with the Murray prediction til it happens.

Also, yup, you’re right, their cap hit is currently including Muzzin’s hit. I (frank)ed that up and didn’t catch that my apologies.

Technically after Muzzin is put back on there the leafs cap space will have $14,768,550.00

I still sincerely believe the leafs will prefer to run with 22-23 players tho. Meaning, at 23, 7 forwards and 1 d man would need to be signed. Which still averages roughly $2 million each, basically it will cost signing a million dollar guy to get a $3 million dollar one.

Number of players needed bare minimum however:
5 forwards so maybe the no extra players approach gets used yet again.

The bolded is what I’m thinking because even if Murray ends up as a flat out injury mess replacing him with Kallgren wouldn’t be the end of the world in my eyes.
- Dozzer

That's what I've been saying! Murray will either be uninjured and be given load management so Woll gets games or he's a walking band aid and Woll gets games.

Samsonov only played 42 games. Murray played 26. Samsonov wasn't the healthiest guy either this year. Also I don't see why he wants to sign a team friendly deal again. Sure he's RFA but he can just goto arb and end up a UFA in a year or two at most.

I’d it understand your numbers. They have $44.68M committed to 7 forwards ($45.5 or so for 8 if you count Robertson.) $17.8 is going to 6 D, not counting Muzzin who is on LTIR. Murray and Woll cost $5.5ish and that number probably comes down $1M if they exchange Sammy for Murray. That’s $67.6 against an $83.5 cap. That leaves $16 or $17M to fill out the roster. I really don’t think Max can save Muzzin.

They have 5 of their top 6 already there. They’ll need a 2C for say $5 or so, one or two in the $2-3 range and a combo of Marlies and bargain basement types up front. That should leave a bit for a Schenn and maybe one guy better on D.

They don’t need to move Marner of Willie for cap reasons. If they want to mix things up, they can make a move but they’re not hard up for $.
- Canada Cup

I think Holmberg is a guarantee for 4th line.

He's an RFA, but I'd be shocked if they don't get a deal done.

In one game against we had no powerplays if I recall correctly.
- shack67

Correct. Game 3. Wes Mcauley I think was an official in the game.

Panthers were second in the league in PIM during the regular season. If that is any indication of how the NHL wants it's officiating to be in the playoffs.

Rielly-Schenn had the second best GA/60 minutes going in the playoffs.

https://twitter.com/seree...&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg
- Canada Cup

Love them together.

_ Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
_ _ Jarnkrok
Lafferty _ _

Rielly Brodie
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano Timmins

Murray / Woll

No extras currently signed.

Cap space after Muzzin is put onto LTIR:

$14,768,550.00

Minimum 5 forwards and it’s safe to assume there will be at least 1 extra forward and one extra d man as well.

That's what I've been saying! Murray will either be uninjured and be given load management so Woll gets games or he's a walking band aid and Woll gets games.

Samsonov only played 42 games. Murray played 26. Samsonov wasn't the healthiest guy either this year. Also I don't see why he wants to sign a team friendly deal again. Sure he's RFA but he can just goto arb and end up a UFA in a year or two at most.
- Aaron_85

Yeah I’d go that route if I was deciding on what goalies to roll with for sure

And the only way I’d like the leafs signing Samsonov would be for another “try-out” deal if anything. He was good but not great.

_ Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
_ _ Jarnkrok
Lafferty _ _

Rielly Brodie
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano Timmins

Murray / Woll

No extras currently signed.

Cap space after Muzzin is put onto LTIR:

$14,768,550.00

Minimum 5 forwards and it’s safe to assume there will be at least 1 extra forward and one extra d man as well.
- Dozzer

For me personally, Robertson (when healthy) and Holmberg are both on the roster.

And I very much hope Schenn is the 7D signed.

_ Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
_ _ Jarnkrok
Lafferty _ _

Rielly Brodie
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano Timmins

Murray / Woll

No extras currently signed.

Cap space after Muzzin is put onto LTIR:

$14,768,550.00

Minimum 5 forwards and it’s safe to assume there will be at least 1 extra forward and one extra d man as well.
- Dozzer

I think you pretty much have to assume a 23 man roster for much of the season, although Holmberg, Steeves and Abruzzese are all on ELCs and can go back on forth. I heard that SDA is going back to the Motherland.

For me personally, Robertson (when healthy) and Holmberg are both on the roster.

And I very much hope Schenn is the 7D signed.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I like those ideas too, but I also wouldn’t trust Robertson’s health and would want a 13th forward and Holmberg is no longer signed. Wonder what he would cost? He’s still RFA. So yeah, at least another 4 guys minimum including Robertson which would be risky as hell so call it 5.

And Schenn must come back… he’s a perfect fit to give the right breaks to guys like Gio and Timmins. So another guy to sign.

Fact is the leafs currently have 15 active players (because Robertson isn’t currently considered one) and maybe 16 if you count Robertson. So 4 bottom six players with absolutely no backup players? That’s the only way the leafs can even afford someone like Holl. Who, at an estimate of $3 million per season, is assumed to be too pricy for the leafs.

Also remember the UFA group this year isn’t all that great so it’s going to be pricy.

Here’s hoping Marlies are ready to play for the leafs.

I think you pretty much have to assume a 23 man roster for much of the season, although Holmberg, Steeves and Abruzzese are all on ELCs and can go back on forth. I heard that SDA is going back to the Motherland.
- Canada Cup

Holmberg and Abruzzese need new contracts still and Steeves is still an $835K hit.

Also, do the leafs truly want to rely on a bottom six loaded with low experienced NHLers just so they can sign one good one? Doubt it. It will be evened out.

_ Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
_ _ Jarnkrok
Lafferty _ _

Rielly Brodie
McCabe Liljegren
Giordano Timmins

Murray / Woll

No extras currently signed.

Cap space after Muzzin is put onto LTIR:

$14,768,550.00

Minimum 5 forwards and it’s safe to assume there will be at least 1 extra forward and one extra d man as well.
- Dozzer

There are a number of options that have to float around. One consideration is to buy out Murray, qualify Samsonov and use him as a part of a trade for an older but more established goalie.

I don't see Murray being on this team next year in any circumstance.

I think you can pretty much say that none of the RFAs have done enough to merit a substantial raise, so the QO should suffice ($765k for Abruzzese, $750k for Holmberg, $750k for Mete, should they keep him). That doesn't help the bottom 6 enough, but it's depth.

Rumour was Schenn would probably come in around $1.5m. Acciari wants to stay. He was making $1.67m . . .$2m ballpark seems fair.

It should leave enough for at least one moderately big swing or a couple of decent ones.

Holmberg and Abruzzese need new contracts still and Steeves is still an $835K hit.

Also, do the leafs truly want to rely on a bottom six loaded with low experienced NHLers just so they can sign one good one? Doubt it. It will be evened out.
- Dozzer

It doesn’t have to be all Marlies. I was just pointing out some that can move up and down without waivers that make getting to a 23 man roster easier.

Assuming just for this exercise no trades and just signings and promotions, they could add a C for $5Mish, an Acciari type for the 3rd line and some bargain basement types either from the Marlies or new guys. Hopefully Treliving can do as well as Dubas when it comes to finding guys that fit those roles. Those kind of moves upfront should leave room for Schenn and one more guy on D.

I like those ideas too, but I also wouldn’t trust Robertson’s health and would want a 13th forward and Holmberg is no longer signed. Wonder what he would cost? He’s still RFA. So yeah, at least another 4 guys minimum including Robertson which would be risky as hell so call it 5.

And Schenn must come back… he’s a perfect fit to give the right breaks to guys like Gio and Timmins. So another guy to sign.

Fact is the leafs currently have 15 active players (because Robertson isn’t currently considered one) and maybe 16 if you count Robertson. So 4 bottom six players with absolutely no backup players? That’s the only way the leafs can even afford someone like Holl. Who, at an estimate of $3 million per season, is assumed to be too pricy for the leafs.

Also remember the UFA group this year isn’t all that great so it’s going to be pricy.

Here’s hoping Marlies are ready to play for the leafs.
- Dozzer

It is a long time coming off injury for Robertson, so he may need a rehab assignment with the Marlies to start. But I think when healthy, he's an NHL player. I just wish he'd stay healthy. Good thing about Robertson, he can play on the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd line and play well, but preferably 1st or 2nd line. And 2nd power play time.

I don't foresee Holmberg being a hard guy to sign. It'll either be a 1 or 2 year deal for somewhere just over $1M-$1.25M. Likely to be a one-way deal, and I think he's guaranteed 4th line time.

As for the other Marlies maybes, I'll be honest, when I first watched Abruzzese, I didn't like his game at all. But he looked like a much better player come the end of last season. I don't know if he'll play much, if at all, for the Leafs, though. Maybe a few spot starts because of injury. McMann is a solid 4th line player, though. Steeves is meh, but can play solid 4th line as needed. Preferably someone else from outside the organisation for me, imo.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off at whatever team signs Holl and gives him more money than he already makes. Unless it's the Leafs, in which case I'll just (frank)ing cry.

There are a number of options that have to float around. One consideration is to buy out Murray, qualify Samsonov and use him as a part of a trade for an older but more established goalie.

I don't see Murray being on this team next year in any circumstance.

I think you can pretty much say that none of the RFAs have done enough to merit a substantial raise, so the QO should suffice ($765k for Abruzzese, $750k for Holmberg, $750k for Mete, should they keep him). That doesn't help the bottom 6 enough, but it's depth.

Rumour was Schenn would probably come in around $1.5m. Acciari wants to stay. He was making $1.67m . . .$2m ballpark seems fair.

It should leave enough for at least one moderately big swing or a couple of decent ones.
- Monkeypunk

Yes, please.