Liljregren and Nylander for Seider
- The Shrike

Can't see the Leaf's even contemplating that for a second.

Sorry about that, you’re correct with 17.

3-4 starting roster depth guys, still need the backups, I know Dubas skimmed it last year but that’s the sort of thing that gets guys hurt as well. Guess we’ll see how the new guy handles that.

As for the goalie why does everyone think he’ll be east to move? Who’s going to take him? The leafs can’t buy him out either because even though he’s only be about a $700K cap hit for the upcoming season he is also a $2 million dollar one for the following year which is the same year they need to resign Nylander and Matthews. I’m hating to say this but I won’t be shocked if the leafs have to roll with him this year, and even if they do get rid of him they’ll have to spend as much on a new starter.
- Dozzer

I personally don't see dumping Murray as an issue, just my opinion. I see a market where there's always a team willing to take garbage salary for an asset, the leafs dumped Mrazek last year for comparable money and an extra year and it wasn't earth shattering in cost. Never know though.

The way I see it, the leafs are in a spot they can more than likely ice a roster comparable to what they finished the season with. Maybe that's not an improvement for some people, but the roster they finished with included their 4 deadline adds. If you can start the season with what you loaded up with that's a damn good spot to be in.

23 is the roster max, not the minimum. If you have 17 signed (including all your top players), you need to ice 20 every night, and can find 15 million to play with? Life's not too bad.

You probably cannot afford .. unless they decide they want a discount... ROR or Acciari or Kampf, Bunting or Kerfoot.

Most all want Holl gone. Gio is no more than a 6th at this point. If that.
Gus probably gets 2 mil + from someone. Luke also would need to take a discount to stay.

That 13 gets sucked up quick.
- dozerD10

Kerfoot and Kampf can jog on. Bunting more than likely will as well.

If the starting point is Rielly/Schenn, McCabe/Brodie, Gio/Liljegren, Gio already is your 6th and there's no need for Holl. You can insert Timmins and make Gio the 7th at that point.

Im looking at some other 'contenders' situations, the leafs are looking better positioned than most if not all. Tampa with 18 players signed and 450k in cap space for next year already looolz. Still paying for a Lecavalier buyout.

I personally don't see dumping Murray as an issue, just my opinion. I see a market where there's always a team willing to take garbage salary for an asset, the leafs dumped Mrazek last year for comparable money and an extra year and it wasn't earth shattering in cost. Never know though.

The way I see it, the leafs are in a spot they can more than likely ice a roster comparable to what they finished the season with. Maybe that's not an improvement for some people, but the roster they finished with included their 4 deadline adds. If you can start the season with what you loaded up with that's a damn good spot to be in.

23 is the roster max, not the minimum. If you have 17 signed (including all your top players), you need to ice 20 every night, and can find 15 million to play with? Life's not too bad.
- joel878

I think they will be outbid for at least 3 of those players. Unless as indicated they are willing to take a substantial discount. The 3 I'm thinking of - if anything, enhanced their marketability over their time with Leafs.

I think they will be outbid for at least 3 of those players. Unless as indicated they are willing to take a substantial discount. The 3 I'm thinking of - if anything, enhanced their marketability over their time with Leafs.
- dozerD10

It is likely they don't keep all 3, I'm meaning the money leftover is going to be comparable. Essentially you find yourselves in the 15 million in cap space range wanting to replace ROR, Acciari, and Schenn. That's not going to be difficult to do.

Nobody cares to replace Kerfoot or Holl, they were a cap negative and their contracts expiring amount to found money.

They have all their top players signed already. What 'needs' to be acquired outside of ROR are 3rd liners / depth pieces. ROR was a fringe 2nd/3rd line piece, that's their most expensive asset they're going to want to replace and even he was a deadline luxury not a training camp requirement.

I can see a chunk of change leftover for an upgrade or two this off season.

Kerfoot and Kampf can jog on. Bunting more than likely will as well.

If the starting point is Rielly/Schenn, McCabe/Brodie, Gio/Liljegren, Gio already is your 6th and there's no need for Holl. You can insert Timmins and make Gio the 7th at that point.

Im looking at some other 'contenders' situations, the leafs are looking better positioned than most if not all. Tampa with 18 players signed and 450k in cap space for next year already looolz. Still paying for a Lecavalier buyout.
- joel878

A pair of plus 30 yr olds as a 2nd pair... boy I just don't see that as a recipe for success.. And TJ didn't look all that great down the stretch.

Tree really needs to find a pair of younger D men if he's trading 16 or 88 and forget a F. in return.

Having Lily as your only under 30 regular D man is not good -

A pair of plus 30 yr olds as a 2nd pair... boy I just don't see that as a recipe for success.. And TJ didn't look all that great down the stretch.

Tree really needs to find a pair of younger D men if he's trading 16 or 88 and forget a F. in return.

Having Lily as your only under 30 regular D man is not good -
- dozerD10

I disagree. Nothing wrong with our blueline as is and it's ripe for easy upgrades because of the bargain contracts in its lower end.

Neither Florida or Vegas' bluelines are much younger if we're looking for comparables.

That being said I would like to see a Brodie upgrade.

I disagree. Nothing wrong with our blueline as is and it's ripe for easy upgrades because of the bargain contracts in its lower end.

Neither Florida or Vegas' bluelines are much younger if we're looking for comparables.

That being said I would like to see a Brodie upgrade.
- joel878

I'll grant you Cats... but Vegas has Theodore, Hague and Whitecloud at all under 27 and younger ... that's what Leafs should be aiming for.

If they can.

Tree has his work cut out for himself.

I'll grant you Cats... but Vegas has Theodore, Hague and Whitecloud at all under 27 and younger ... that's what Leafs should be aiming for.

If they can.

Tree has his work cut out for himself.
- dozerD10

To each their own but I don't think age is too important. Tampa went to the finals 3 years in a row with a defence that wasn't exactly full of spring chickens and the year they had to make moves and go with some youth on the back end was the year they went nowhere.

I see Treliving going into this summer with waaay more flexibility than his predecessor really ever had. As long as he doesn't think he needs to go full Markstrom he should be okay.

To each their own but I don't think age is too important. Tampa went to the finals 3 years in a row with a defence that wasn't exactly full of spring chickens and the year they had to make moves and go with some youth on the back end was the year they went nowhere.

I see Treliving going into this summer with waaay more flexibility than his predecessor really ever had. As long as he doesn't think he needs to go full Markstrom he should be okay.
- joel878

He should target Sean Walker from LA. 1yr left a 2.65 no trade protection. Probably get him for a pick 3rd or 4th - He could be a nice upgrade. Or maybe even Durzi.

With Clarke and Spence coming they need to make some room on D.

I personally don't see dumping Murray as an issue, just my opinion. I see a market where there's always a team willing to take garbage salary for an asset, the leafs dumped Mrazek last year for comparable money and an extra year and it wasn't earth shattering in cost. Never know though.

The way I see it, the leafs are in a spot they can more than likely ice a roster comparable to what they finished the season with. Maybe that's not an improvement for some people, but the roster they finished with included their 4 deadline adds. If you can start the season with what you loaded up with that's a damn good spot to be in.

23 is the roster max, not the minimum. If you have 17 signed (including all your top players), you need to ice 20 every night, and can find 15 million to play with? Life's not too bad.
- joel878

Mrazek isn’t as injury prone. It’s going to need to be a large asset to move an injury burdened goalie making well over $4 million.

As for the roster size if you think the leafs are going to get anymore quality guys without moving at least $8 million more in cap space beyond Murray I have a feeling you’ll be pretty disappointed. Remember that the leafs had to fork out more to any non American players due to the Canadian taxation. Marner “makes” $10,903,000 but takes home $600K less than Tkachuk who only makes $9.5.

Mrazek isn’t as injury prone. It’s going to need to be a large asset to move an injury burdened goalie making well over $4 million.

As for the roster size if you think the leafs are going to get anymore quality guys without moving at least $8 million more in cap space beyond Murray I have a feeling you’ll be pretty disappointed. Remember that the leafs had to fork out more to any non American players due to the Canadian taxation. Marner “makes” $10,903,000 but takes home $600K less than Tkachuk who only makes $9.5.
- Dozzer

Purely rumours but last year Murray apparently had multiple GMs wanting to trade him. He has one less year remaining than last summer. Leafs could simply retain a bit of salary if they got another cheap goalie. While Murray didn't really show a bounce back from injury he did show he was fairly decent in games he played.

Which is why I have the hot take of just keeping him and running him with Woll.

Mrazek isn’t as injury prone. It’s going to need to be a large asset to move an injury burdened goalie making well over $4 million.

As for the roster size if you think the leafs are going to get anymore quality guys without moving at least $8 million more in cap space beyond Murray I have a feeling you’ll be pretty disappointed. Remember that the leafs had to fork out more to any non American players due to the Canadian taxation. Marner “makes” $10,903,000 but takes home $600K less than Tkachuk who only makes $9.5.
- Dozzer

Mrazek hasn't been able to play more than 40 games in a year since 2016...

Unless they spend the space they will have poorly, I won't be disappointed. There is plenty to work with compared to the last few years.

Mrazek hasn't been able to play more than 40 games in a year since 2016...

Unless they spend the space they will have poorly, I won't be disappointed. There is plenty to work with compared to the last few years.
- joel878

Yes, but Mrazek still plays. And I got this bad feeling Murray will want one more chance so he will have to be relied on when a team gets built.

And no, they really don’t. Move Murray and they’ll have to use at least 75% of what he makes to sign another decent goalie at best which leaves $10mill for 7-8 guys. A roster in a game is a minimum of 20 players, so at the very least 5 guys averaging less than $2mill each.

So basically what you’re suggesting is the leafs to have absolutely zero backup players, and what? A $5 million dollar guy and 4 cheap league minimum players? Yikes. That would be a bad call.

Purely rumours but last year Murray apparently had multiple GMs wanting to trade him. He has one less year remaining than last summer. Leafs could simply retain a bit of salary if they got another cheap goalie. While Murray didn't really show a bounce back from injury he did show he was fairly decent in games he played.

Which is why I have the hot take of just keeping him and running him with Woll.
- Aaron_85

The bolded is what I’m thinking because even if Murray ends up as a flat out injury mess replacing him with Kallgren wouldn’t be the end of the world in my eyes.

Mrazek hasn't been able to play more than 40 games in a year since 2016...

Unless they spend the space they will have poorly, I won't be disappointed. There is plenty to work with compared to the last few years.
- joel878

Just to be clear Joel I like what you’re saying, I just think in order for the leafs to get some high talented character players one of the top 4 need to go.

Holy frank…drinking Awesome beer all afternoon, smoking ribs, couple bike rides, little gardening, little Jays, hours outside sitting under the pergola in this glorious weather while the ribs do their thing… what a country we live in. (frank) the Leafs…for today.

Just to be clear Joel I like what you’re saying, I just think in order for the leafs to get some high talented character players one of the top 4 need to go.
- Dozzer

I have zero issue with one of the top 4 going, it just generates more flexibility in my eyes. It's a good time to do it.

Unfortunately I think the odds of Treliving coming in and moving one of the teams premiere players out of the gate is not going to happen.

Holy frank…drinking Awesome beer all afternoon, smoking ribs, couple bike rides, little gardening, little Jays, hours outside sitting under the pergola in this glorious weather while the ribs do their thing… what a country we live in. (frank) the Leafs…for today.
- Woderwick

No ribs but I’m doing some nachos up shortly, my gal (the one who puts up with me at least lol) and I walked around Wortley Village (we’re in London) today and when we got home, she had a sub while I have had beer on my covered porch (perfect for shade) and I also watered up our gardens too. About to head out and walk the cove, which is around the corner from us, shortly, I may bring a beer for that walk too lol.

It is certainly a beauty country

I have zero issue with one of the top 4 going, it just generates more flexibility in my eyes. It's a good time to do it.

Unfortunately I think the odds of Treliving coming in and moving one of the teams premiere players out of the gate is not going to happen.
- joel878

Yeah I think you’re right….. maaaaaaaaaaybe Nylander if they don’t like what his agent is hinting for. Wouldn’t be the first time they went through a little fight like that.

Yes, but Mrazek still plays. And I got this bad feeling Murray will want one more chance so he will have to be relied on when a team gets built.

And no, they really don’t. Move Murray and they’ll have to use at least 75% of what he makes to sign another decent goalie at best which leaves $10mill for 7-8 guys. A roster in a game is a minimum of 20 players, so at the very least 5 guys averaging less than $2mill each.

So basically what you’re suggesting is the leafs to have absolutely zero backup players, and what? A $5 million dollar guy and 4 cheap league minimum players? Yikes. That would be a bad call.
- Dozzer

Mrazek only played 13 more games than Murray this year. They both played 20 last year.

I have zero issue going with Samsonov and Woll next year. Or perhaps another reasonably priced goaltender and Woll if trading Sammy's rights is an advantage elsewhere.

I think you and I are doing different math. To go from 17 to 20 isn't going to take 5 guys at 2 million each.

When I look at their needs, I think you're looking at a couple 1-2 million dollar players and an ROR type at 5-6 million. Thats what I see is needed to fill out that roster, and it's a pretty decent roster at that point. That leaves a body in the pressbox and doesn't even use up the full 9 without touching Murray or making any other changes.

Any other money they can free up at that point, be it Murray, whatever happens with Muzzin, or other... Is available for pure upgrades. Top players are already signed and the roster is filled out.

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Such a disciplined team for a "random" 5 game stretch.

Mrazek only played 13 more games than Murray this year. They both played 20 last year.

I have zero issue going with Samsonov and Woll next year. Or perhaps another reasonably priced goaltender and Woll if trading Sammy's rights is an advantage elsewhere.

I think you and I are doing different math. To go from 17 to 20 isn't going to take 5 guys at 2 million each.

When I look at their needs, I think you're looking at a couple 1-2 million dollar players and an ROR type at 5-6 million. Thats what I see is needed to fill out that roster, and it's a pretty decent roster at that point. That leaves a body in the pressbox and doesn't even use up the full 9 without touching Murray or making any other changes.

Any other money they can free up at that point, be it Murray, whatever happens with Muzzin, or other... Is available for pure upgrades. Top players are already signed and the roster is filled out.
- joel878

So who would be the team like Chicago? Because it’s not going to be them while they have Mrazek.

I also don’t see them running with nothing more than 20 guys especially with a D man the age of Gio. So let’s at least agree on 21 players, 22 with one extra forward but we’ll stick away from that and meet in the middle fair?

Goalie change has not been made yet so until it does assuming it will get done is nothing more than a prediction so let’s stay away from that. Means they have two goalies though so perfect we don’t have to think about that.

Means:

They have 2 goalies (good), 7 d men (with one on LTIR), and 8 forwards (with one on IR)

They have $9.1 million in cap space and need 5 forwards and 1 back up D man

Kerfoot and Kampf can jog on. Bunting more than likely will as well.

If the starting point is Rielly/Schenn, McCabe/Brodie, Gio/Liljegren, Gio already is your 6th and there's no need for Holl. You can insert Timmins and make Gio the 7th at that point.

Im looking at some other 'contenders' situations, the leafs are looking better positioned than most if not all. Tampa with 18 players signed and 450k in cap space for next year already looolz. Still paying for a Lecavalier buyout.
- joel878

A McCabe - Liljegren pairing would be pretty great on the 2nd pair for the next 2 seasons.

Don't know if Schenn can play the full 82, but I'd very much love to see him with Rielly again.

I have zero issue with one of the top 4 going, it just generates more flexibility in my eyes. It's a good time to do it.

Unfortunately I think the odds of Treliving coming in and moving one of the teams premiere players out of the gate is not going to happen.
- joel878

. I agree... Unless Matthews or Nylander come out and actually say they don't want to sign and or be here, there won't be any moves.
I think Matthews signs $12.9x3or4, but Nylander commands over $10 and doesn't because of it. Since his is a 10 team list, he will be moved just after Christmas for a Dman IMO.