I think my hawks will win another cup before the leafs do. I say 5 years.

House league game tonight
Rep practice tomorrow
House league game Saturday
2 rep games Sunday

Tough to manage pitch count limits

I think my hawks will win another cup before the leafs do. I say 5 years.
- LFS

Or, to put it another way, the Leafs will win a Cup before the Hawks do, 1 year.

So it's June.
No shiny new toy today.
But hey! We get a shiny headed new guy to play with the toys we already have!
I'm kinda looking forward to it
- oldstyle

Isn't Tree Living our shiny new toy? 🤔

Isn't Tree Living our shiny new toy? 🤔
- mjones242

dusty old toy

Unfortunate. I'd hope to be pleasantly surprised but to me that would be just burning another year. It's time for a significant change.
- joel878

Agreed.

This team can't afford to "run it back" with 50% of the cap locked up in skilled forwards and shuffling of deck chairs. The Core 4, in the current cap reality, is fundamentally flawed - there has been regular season success, but at no time has this group raised their game when it matters most.

Time for a reckoning.

If they do want to keep them together, they better lock them up before they decide to dip their feet into UFA waters. These players keep saying how much they want to stay with the team - if this is true we should find out shortly as they should be on the phone with their agent demanding contract negotiations.

dusty old toy
- Symba007

Well, he has been with the team for a couple of days now, so probably yeah.

From the tweeter
Sorry its kinda long.....;p

"The Toronto Maple Leafs have announced Brad Treliving as the next General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I've done a lot of research and gone back to watch several of Brad Treliving's previous press conferences. Here' what I've learned:

Treliving currently ranks 55th all-time in career wins as an NHL GM with a regular season record of 362-265-73 and a playoff record of 16-26.

He took charge of the Calgary Flames in 2014, when they were amid a five-year playoff drought. Under his leadership, the Flames reached the playoffs five times in the next nine years, but never advanced beyond the second round.

In Calgary, Treliving inherited coach Bob Hartley, who had already been coaching the team for two seasons without playoff success. He retained Hartley for the next two seasons, which could be a clue that he'll give Sheldon Keefe an opportunity to continue.

Hartley was ultimately replaced after missing the playoffs 2 years later. He brought in Glen Gulutzan, who was also let go after two seasons for failing to make the playoffs. Next, Treliving hired Bill Peters, who led the Flames to a 50-win season, a feat not achieved since '88/'89. Peters resigned in the wake of a racial incident and was replaced by Geoff Ward temporarily before Treliving brought in Darryl Sutter, who was dimissed earlier this month. Treliving's

Flames tenure is notably drafted Sam Bennett, Matthew Tkachuk, Adam Fox, Dillon Dube, Andrew Mangiapane, and Rasmus Andersson, and more.

He transformed the Flames from a team led by Jiri Hudler's 54 points in '13/'14 to a team that, at their peak in the '21-'22 season, included Gaudreau (115 pts, inherited), Tkachuk (104 pts, drafted), Lindholm (82 pts, acquired via trade), Mangiapane (55 pts, drafted), and Andersson (50 pts, drafted).

It's no secret that Treliving faced challenges in attracting talent to Calgary, which were compounded by the city's desperate need for a new arena. Johnny Gaudreau left for Columbus as a free agent, Matthew Tkachuk indicated he would not re-sign in Calgary, and Adam Fox showed no intention of signing with the team post-college - all believed to be market-driven decisions.

In response, Treliving traded Tkachuk for Huberdeau, Weegar, and a 1st round pick, and the rights to Fox, Dougie Hamilton, and Michael Ferland for Lindholm and Hanifin. It's worth noting Carolina wasn't able to sign Fox either, and flipped him for a 2nd round pick. You've got to wonder what the Flames might have looked like had they been able to keep all of the talent they drafted, as they'd hoped.

Treliving has a reputation for being active at both the draft and trade deadline. For the first time in his career, he steps into a market that is considered to be a desired destination for players. How might this change his approach to free agency?

While watching some of Treliving's previous press conferences, I noticed a few consistent traits worth sharing:

Passion - You can hear the genuine disappointment in his voice when addressing Gaudreau's departure, or how much he cares for his people when he's asked about Chris Snow at the trade deadline.

Confidence - You'll pick up on this right away during his press conference tomorrow.

Accountability - This is a guy who held an impromptu 30-minute Q&A press conference to announce Gaudreau would not be signed.

Objective Thinker - Listen to his assessment of his team at the trade deadline. He's very grounded, and very realistic. This should be particularly exciting to those of you who want organizational decisions to be more driven by results.

Treliving checks a lot of boxes for the Leafs - experience, reputation, poise - but in joining Toronto, he won't soon be able to escape the criticism that he has no track record of success. He does, however, have a track record of progress. I look forward to his assessment of the roster and his philosophy toward change. Toronto presents its own set of unique challenges, but can he flourish without the barriers he encountered in the Calgary market?"

Outside of extending Matthews, Tree has to get rid of that huge dubas mistake in Murray.
That contract has to go and it could cost us.
What a waste of money.
- Fakepartofme

It took Treliving a while in Cowtown to find himself a goalie. Going to with pairings year over year starting in 2013 the year before he took over:

Karri Ramo (-0.11) - Reto Berra (-14.96)
Jonas Hiller (3.95) - Karri Ramo (-2.52)
Karri Ramo (-4.21) - Jonas Hiller (-17.18) - Joni Ortio (-2.31)
Brian Elliott (-2.75) - Chad Johnson (1.72)
Mike Smith (12.53) - David Rittich (-4.55)
David Rittich (-1.22) - Mike Smith (-8.15)
David Rittich (-10.43) - Cam Talbot (-0.29)
Jacob Markstrom (-12.11) - David Rittich (-4.05)
Jacob Markstrom (15.61) - Dan Vladar (-3.89)
Jacob Markstrom (1.5) - Dan Vladar (-5.25)

Goalies are ordered by the number of games they played, not necessarily who was considered the real #1 goalie, and the number in brackets is the GSAx for the goalie. He has had far more misses than hits with the goaltender, enjoying really only 2 excellent performances in his tenure as the Flames GM.

There were a few things I felt Dubas could be better at, but goaltender evaluation is something his team failed at more often than not. I don't think anyone liked the Murray acquisition at that AAV. I think Treliving needs to show an improvement in this area of find support staff who can offer it.

For the record, I like the acquisition of Markstrom for Calgary. You can see that despite everyone saying that he was abysmal last year, he was pretty average - the team playing (or not playing) in front of him was more the problem. I don't think I would have signed any of the other goalies he did to be anything other than a backup. That said when he acquired Brian Elliot for a 2nd (who turned out to be Jordan Kyrou - ouch!), Elliot was coming off of a season where he was arguably the second best goalie in the league, team independent.

Anyway my point is that Treliving seems to have the same weakness in identifying goaltenders, so hopefully he's learned more over the years.

According to TSN, press conference is at 11AM.

According to TSN, press conference is at 11AM.
- oldstyle

So if it's like the last 3, it'll start tomorrow around 2.

From the tweeter
Sorry its kinda long.....;p

"The Toronto Maple Leafs have announced Brad Treliving as the next General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I've done a lot of research and gone back to watch several of Brad Treliving's previous press conferences. Here' what I've learned:

Treliving currently ranks 55th all-time in career wins as an NHL GM with a regular season record of 362-265-73 and a playoff record of 16-26.

He took charge of the Calgary Flames in 2014, when they were amid a five-year playoff drought. Under his leadership, the Flames reached the playoffs five times in the next nine years, but never advanced beyond the second round.

In Calgary, Treliving inherited coach Bob Hartley, who had already been coaching the team for two seasons without playoff success. He retained Hartley for the next two seasons, which could be a clue that he'll give Sheldon Keefe an opportunity to continue.

Hartley was ultimately replaced after missing the playoffs 2 years later. He brought in Glen Gulutzan, who was also let go after two seasons for failing to make the playoffs. Next, Treliving hired Bill Peters, who led the Flames to a 50-win season, a feat not achieved since '88/'89. Peters resigned in the wake of a racial incident and was replaced by Geoff Ward temporarily before Treliving brought in Darryl Sutter, who was dimissed earlier this month. Treliving's

Flames tenure is notably drafted Sam Bennett, Matthew Tkachuk, Adam Fox, Dillon Dube, Andrew Mangiapane, and Rasmus Andersson, and more.

He transformed the Flames from a team led by Jiri Hudler's 54 points in '13/'14 to a team that, at their peak in the '21-'22 season, included Gaudreau (115 pts, inherited), Tkachuk (104 pts, drafted), Lindholm (82 pts, acquired via trade), Mangiapane (55 pts, drafted), and Andersson (50 pts, drafted).

It's no secret that Treliving faced challenges in attracting talent to Calgary, which were compounded by the city's desperate need for a new arena. Johnny Gaudreau left for Columbus as a free agent, Matthew Tkachuk indicated he would not re-sign in Calgary, and Adam Fox showed no intention of signing with the team post-college - all believed to be market-driven decisions.

In response, Treliving traded Tkachuk for Huberdeau, Weegar, and a 1st round pick, and the rights to Fox, Dougie Hamilton, and Michael Ferland for Lindholm and Hanifin. It's worth noting Carolina wasn't able to sign Fox either, and flipped him for a 2nd round pick. You've got to wonder what the Flames might have looked like had they been able to keep all of the talent they drafted, as they'd hoped.

Treliving has a reputation for being active at both the draft and trade deadline. For the first time in his career, he steps into a market that is considered to be a desired destination for players. How might this change his approach to free agency?

While watching some of Treliving's previous press conferences, I noticed a few consistent traits worth sharing:

Passion - You can hear the genuine disappointment in his voice when addressing Gaudreau's departure, or how much he cares for his people when he's asked about Chris Snow at the trade deadline.

Confidence - You'll pick up on this right away during his press conference tomorrow.

Accountability - This is a guy who held an impromptu 30-minute Q&A press conference to announce Gaudreau would not be signed.

Objective Thinker - Listen to his assessment of his team at the trade deadline. He's very grounded, and very realistic. This should be particularly exciting to those of you who want organizational decisions to be more driven by results.

Treliving checks a lot of boxes for the Leafs - experience, reputation, poise - but in joining Toronto, he won't soon be able to escape the criticism that he has no track record of success. He does, however, have a track record of progress. I look forward to his assessment of the roster and his philosophy toward change. Toronto presents its own set of unique challenges, but can he flourish without the barriers he encountered in the Calgary market?"
- Fakepartofme

Treliving has to decide between keeping Keefe on a lame duck on the last year of his contract or give him a few years when he’s on thin ice. It sounds like they’re not going to dump him right now.

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
·
15s
Kyle Dubas named Pittsburgh Penguins President of Hockey Operations.

Jesus H

From the tweeter
Sorry its kinda long.....;p

"The Toronto Maple Leafs have announced Brad Treliving as the next General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I've done a lot of research and gone back to watch several of Brad Treliving's previous press conferences. Here' what I've learned:

Treliving currently ranks 55th all-time in career wins as an NHL GM with a regular season record of 362-265-73 and a playoff record of 16-26.

He took charge of the Calgary Flames in 2014, when they were amid a five-year playoff drought. Under his leadership, the Flames reached the playoffs five times in the next nine years, but never advanced beyond the second round.

In Calgary, Treliving inherited coach Bob Hartley, who had already been coaching the team for two seasons without playoff success. He retained Hartley for the next two seasons, which could be a clue that he'll give Sheldon Keefe an opportunity to continue.

Hartley was ultimately replaced after missing the playoffs 2 years later. He brought in Glen Gulutzan, who was also let go after two seasons for failing to make the playoffs. Next, Treliving hired Bill Peters, who led the Flames to a 50-win season, a feat not achieved since '88/'89. Peters resigned in the wake of a racial incident and was replaced by Geoff Ward temporarily before Treliving brought in Darryl Sutter, who was dimissed earlier this month. Treliving's

Flames tenure is notably drafted Sam Bennett, Matthew Tkachuk, Adam Fox, Dillon Dube, Andrew Mangiapane, and Rasmus Andersson, and more.

He transformed the Flames from a team led by Jiri Hudler's 54 points in '13/'14 to a team that, at their peak in the '21-'22 season, included Gaudreau (115 pts, inherited), Tkachuk (104 pts, drafted), Lindholm (82 pts, acquired via trade), Mangiapane (55 pts, drafted), and Andersson (50 pts, drafted).

It's no secret that Treliving faced challenges in attracting talent to Calgary, which were compounded by the city's desperate need for a new arena. Johnny Gaudreau left for Columbus as a free agent, Matthew Tkachuk indicated he would not re-sign in Calgary, and Adam Fox showed no intention of signing with the team post-college - all believed to be market-driven decisions.

In response, Treliving traded Tkachuk for Huberdeau, Weegar, and a 1st round pick, and the rights to Fox, Dougie Hamilton, and Michael Ferland for Lindholm and Hanifin. It's worth noting Carolina wasn't able to sign Fox either, and flipped him for a 2nd round pick. You've got to wonder what the Flames might have looked like had they been able to keep all of the talent they drafted, as they'd hoped.

Treliving has a reputation for being active at both the draft and trade deadline. For the first time in his career, he steps into a market that is considered to be a desired destination for players. How might this change his approach to free agency?

While watching some of Treliving's previous press conferences, I noticed a few consistent traits worth sharing:

Passion - You can hear the genuine disappointment in his voice when addressing Gaudreau's departure, or how much he cares for his people when he's asked about Chris Snow at the trade deadline.

Confidence - You'll pick up on this right away during his press conference tomorrow.

Accountability - This is a guy who held an impromptu 30-minute Q&A press conference to announce Gaudreau would not be signed.

Objective Thinker - Listen to his assessment of his team at the trade deadline. He's very grounded, and very realistic. This should be particularly exciting to those of you who want organizational decisions to be more driven by results.

Treliving checks a lot of boxes for the Leafs - experience, reputation, poise - but in joining Toronto, he won't soon be able to escape the criticism that he has no track record of success. He does, however, have a track record of progress. I look forward to his assessment of the roster and his philosophy toward change. Toronto presents its own set of unique challenges, but can he flourish without the barriers he encountered in the Calgary market?"
- Fakepartofme

treddying has to decide if he wants to acquire poon jenner, wilson and anderson,win the cup and keep his job or be a miserable failure and get fired 🤦‍♂️

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
·
15s
Kyle Dubas named Pittsburgh Penguins President of Hockey Operations.

Jesus H
- gravyface

Master negotiator. Nice announcement timing just before Treliving presser

The Leafs are predictably inept and predictably unsuccessful.

Sorry, but it's not narrative. It's reality.
- Rare_Jewel

31 teams lose a year. Shocking you're just playing the better odds

Chris Johnston
@reporterchris
·
15s
Kyle Dubas named Pittsburgh Penguins President of Hockey Operations.

Jesus H
- gravyface

treddying has to decide if he wants to acquire poon jenner, wilson and anderson,win the cup and keep his job or be a miserable failure and get fired 🤦‍♂️
- Skalapy

Nylander for Tom Wilson and a 1st.

Marner, Sammy, (WAS) 1st for Pierre-Luc Dubois, Helly and Wheeler.

Knies Matthews Wheeler
Robertson PLD Wilson
Jarnkrok JT Acciari (resigned)
Lafferty Kampf (resigned) McMann

Brodie Rielly
McCabe Lilly
Gio Timmins

Helly
Woll

Master negotiator. Nice announcement timing just before Treliving presser
- Canada Cup

That is a tough job to take.

3 years of Crosby (35, $8.7m, NMC)
2 years of Malkin (36, $6.1m, NMC and 35+)
1 year of Guentzel (28, $6m, 12 team NTC)
5 years of Rust (31, $5.125m, NMC)
2 years of Granlulnd (31, $5m)
5 years of Rakell (30, $5m, 8 team NTC)
2 years of Petry (35, $6.25m, 15 team NTC, NMC)
5 years of Letang (36, $6.1m, NMC and 35+)
2 years of Pettersson (27, $4m, 8 team NTC)
1 year of DeSmith

The Penguins are 29th in Wheeler's prospect pool rankings topped by Owen Pickering and Ty Smith who are not high-end prospects by any stretch. 3rd on that list is Filip Hallander, who we all remember as the guy who went back and forth in the Kapanen and unfortunate McCann trades.

"You know what I want? A terrible job with no chance of success for at least a decade!"

"We have just the thing for you, buddy!"

Waiting for the trolls to come say Dubas lied in his presser by saying he only wanted to be leafs GM and no where else.

Which means GM position, not a promotion.

Also, this tells me Shanny was afraid of his job if Dubas got a seat at the table. Petty Shanahan didn't fire him for some "contract demand" guy did it cause he's a wussy.

From the tweeter
"Friedman on SN says he doesn’t think Treliving want to make any changes to the core four, definitely doesn’t want to move Marner, believes he wants to make adjustments around them, especially on D. Treliving has a history of drafting and trading for D."

"Also says he believes Matthews sincerely wants to stay as well as Marner and Nylander."

Which is what I suggested a day or so ago. I could see Tree making changes on the back end. Sign some bigger skilled guys and trade out some of what we have.

Also get a new coach.
- Fakepartofme

Imagine coming into this core not being mad at them as a fan.

Would be silly to trade them, why else do you think every Joe blow opposing fan is trying to make mock trades for them?

That is a tough job to take.

3 years of Crosby (35, $8.7m, NMC)
2 years of Malkin (36, $6.1m, NMC and 35+)
1 year of Guentzel (28, $6m, 12 team NTC)
5 years of Rust (31, $5.125m, NMC)
2 years of Granlulnd (31, $5m)
5 years of Rakell (30, $5m, 8 team NTC)
2 years of Petry (35, $6.25m, 15 team NTC, NMC)
5 years of Letang (36, $6.1m, NMC and 35+)
2 years of Pettersson (27, $4m, 8 team NTC)
1 year of DeSmith

The Penguins are 29th in Wheeler's prospect pool rankings topped by Owen Pickering and Ty Smith who are not high-end prospects by any stretch. 3rd on that list is Filip Hallander, who we all remember as the guy who went back and forth in the Kapanen and unfortunate McCann trades.

"You know what I want? A terrible job with no chance of success for at least a decade!"

"We have just the thing for you, buddy!"
- Monkeypunk

Interesting for sure. I think he'll be a solid pres of hockey ops. He did a lot around the MLSE organization and he will do it for the penguins.

Waiting for the trolls to come say Dubas lied in his presser by saying he only wanted to be leafs GM and no where else.

Which means GM position, not a promotion.

Also, this tells me Shanny was afraid of his job if Dubas got a seat at the table. Petty Shanahan didn't fire him for some "contract demand" guy did it cause he's a wussy.
- Aaron_85

"any jobs".

I really don't give a poop either way. I'm pretty much stay or go for any GM. They all make mistakes, they all make good moves... so much of it is out of their control on the ice that they really can't do much else.

Now if KD didn't have authority like a GM should, I think that's reason enough for him to move on.

That is a tough job to take.

3 years of Crosby (35, $8.7m, NMC)
2 years of Malkin (36, $6.1m, NMC and 35+)
1 year of Guentzel (28, $6m, 12 team NTC)
5 years of Rust (31, $5.125m, NMC)
2 years of Granlulnd (31, $5m)
5 years of Rakell (30, $5m, 8 team NTC)
2 years of Petry (35, $6.25m, 15 team NTC, NMC)
5 years of Letang (36, $6.1m, NMC and 35+)
2 years of Pettersson (27, $4m, 8 team NTC)
1 year of DeSmith

The Penguins are 29th in Wheeler's prospect pool rankings topped by Owen Pickering and Ty Smith who are not high-end prospects by any stretch. 3rd on that list is Filip Hallander, who we all remember as the guy who went back and forth in the Kapanen and unfortunate McCann trades.

"You know what I want? A terrible job with no chance of success for at least a decade!"

"We have just the thing for you, buddy!"
- Monkeypunk

If they were willing to blow it up and sell it would be a beutiful job to take.

But no they are going to end up with 40 year old Crosby, Letang, and Malkin riding shotgun to 33 year old Guenztel making 9M.

That is a tough job to take.

3 years of Crosby (35, $8.7m, NMC)
2 years of Malkin (36, $6.1m, NMC and 35+)
1 year of Guentzel (28, $6m, 12 team NTC)
5 years of Rust (31, $5.125m, NMC)
2 years of Granlulnd (31, $5m)
5 years of Rakell (30, $5m, 8 team NTC)
2 years of Petry (35, $6.25m, 15 team NTC, NMC)
5 years of Letang (36, $6.1m, NMC and 35+)
2 years of Pettersson (27, $4m, 8 team NTC)
1 year of DeSmith

The Penguins are 29th in Wheeler's prospect pool rankings topped by Owen Pickering and Ty Smith who are not high-end prospects by any stretch. 3rd on that list is Filip Hallander, who we all remember as the guy who went back and forth in the Kapanen and unfortunate McCann trades.

"You know what I want? A terrible job with no chance of success for at least a decade!"

"We have just the thing for you, buddy!"
- Monkeypunk

President with a hands-off ownership group is worth a lot. Maybe he wanted Ottawa but sale didn’t get done in time.