Concerning Gallant, it begs the question what does he do or say to his players that get's him fired. Everytime he gets hired he somehow makes a team instantly better.
- Alexzanki

Columbus should bring in a former legendary player to coach them…Sergei Fedorov.

If Roy goes to CBJ Jarmo gets bumped up to President of Hockey Ops and Roy is named GM as well. He needs to have roster construction power. It’s why he left Colorado mind you. And save the snide remarks as without Roy, Colorado would’ve drafted Seth Jones let us not forget.
The guy knows how to construct a team and knows how to teach and motivate and is a 100% respect for the game, no nonsense Front Office guy (recall him calling out Dutchy for mad hatter celebrating his 30th Goal in the 3rd of a 5-1 losing effort or something to that effect?).

Realistically, he’s the only chance Toronto stands to ever be anything more than also ran’s. They need an ego big enough to call out their stars, and one with credentials that stretch far enough to correct them into winning attitudes as well.
Is Shanahan the type of guy who can fight tooth and nail against someone and recognize them as a worthy combatant and bring them aboard for the betterment of the whole? Or is he not that type of leader?

Makes for interesting drama to say the least.
I think Roy to Toronto as HC/GM is the right move. But so often, what we need is the last thing we want.
- 13of39

One of the more humorous posts I've read in a long time. Sakic agreed with Roy on MacK and his secondary choices were Drouin and Barkov. The Avs were never seriously interested in Jones, that was a manufactured story due to Jones' interest in and connection to Denver.

You know who Roy and Sakic would never have agreed on? Cale Makar. Roy hated smaller D, would not even speak with Will Butcher after the Avs drafted him and wanted Sakic to trade Barrie for Radulov. He would be a fu$king disaster as a GM but I'm pretty sure Jarmo would never cede those duties to him anyway because he a pretty smart hockey guy.

He'd be pretty motivational as a coach for a season or two but his team would end up hating him just like the Avs did. When Sakic was free of him as a VP of whatever the F he was when he became free to build the fast, skilled, dominant team the Avs have become. I did love the 'big cheer' comment about Duchy and of course loved him in net. I don't miss him for a minute behind the bench or his archaic meddling in personnel moves.

Here are Sakic's on the record views on the 2013 #1 OA pick:

https://www.nhl.com/news/...-draft-mackinnon/c-675081

Wasn't Roy the guy who would pull the goalie with like half the third period left?
- dothedougie

Yup. He wasn't totally wrong there, a lot of coaches picked up on that move but he had some occasions where it felt that way

Yup. He wasn't totally wrong there, a lot of coaches picked up on that move but he had some occasions where it felt that way
- eichiefs9

Pretty sure he loved running a 5 forward powerplay too. Before Makar's time obviously. Could never miss the end of an Avalanche game when he was coaching. They were either going to tie it up, or they were going to let in a few empty netters. Fantasy hocky nailbiter sometimes.

Columbus should bring in a former legendary player to coach them…Sergei Fedorov.
- Feds91Stammer

if he can sneak in Michkov I'm all for it

I heard some local moron on a Pitt radio station complaining about some NFL moron who thinks he is not getting paid enough Who F'ing cares. These guys a nothing but prima donnas and we as fans of all sports should be upset because they are NOT making enough money Give me a break Just shut the F up and play!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quit female doging and complaining You make millions and it is never enough They world is in crisis and I am supposed to feel sorry for YOU SPORTS millionaires NOT ME GO F YOURSELVES

Yup. He wasn't totally wrong there, a lot of coaches picked up on that move but he had some occasions where it felt that way
- eichiefs9

We need Fedorov in the NHL now. He pulls his goalie in OT in the KHL.

We need Fedorov in the NHL now. He pulls his goalie in OT in the KHL.
- Feds91Stammer

I'm just waiting for the analytics genius that does some calculations that show starting the game with the goalie pulled actually increases the chance of winning. Sort of like an opener in baseball.

Keep him gone. He's a drama queen

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Winning as a player and winning as as coach are two entirely different things though. He certainly knew how to win as a player. I think his (pro) coaching career isn't nearly as cut and dry.
- eichiefs9

Hard to have a career as cut and dry as Roy’s was on the ice: Rookie Season, Conn Smyrhe, instant legend lol.
It’s worth noting that you holding up his first playoff appearance not resulting in a Cup win only serves as proof that he’s the type of guy a team could be comfortable shouldering with a “Stanley Cup or Bust” ethos and could trust in the process even in years when they fell short.

Which is more than can be said about the process in Toronto, seeing as how they dang near ticker tape paraded a first round victory this year.

One of the more humorous posts I've read in a long time. Sakic agreed with Roy on MacK and his secondary choices were Drouin and Barkov. The Avs were never seriously interested in Jones, that was a manufactured story due to Jones' interest in and connection to Denver.

You know who Roy and Sakic would never have agreed on? Cale Makar. Roy hated smaller D, would not even speak with Will Butcher after the Avs drafted him and wanted Sakic to trade Barrie for Radulov. He would be a fu$king disaster as a GM but I'm pretty sure Jarmo would never cede those duties to him anyway because he a pretty smart hockey guy.

He'd be pretty motivational as a coach for a season or two but his team would end up hating him just like the Avs did. When Sakic was free of him as a VP of whatever the F he was when he became free to build the fast, skilled, dominant team the Avs have become. I did love the 'big cheer' comment about Duchy and of course loved him in net. I don't miss him for a minute behind the bench or his archaic meddling in personnel moves.

Here are Sakic's on the record views on the 2013 #1 OA pick:

https://www.nhl.com/news/...-draft-mackinnon/c-675081
- FoppaForever

Perhaps I’d eaten up some of those manufactured stories as being a bit closer to reality than they were! Kudos on the link.
I recall, particularly when Roy left, Nate being particularly shocked due to Roy having fought so hard to get him there in the first place. Who against? Who knows. I figured it had to have been Sakic as Roy likely had more sway than Sherman I’d imagine. And the Kroenke’s usually aren’t so meddling as to Pegula up a draft like that. Either way, stoked we have Nate lol!

Roy definitely not a fan of the smaller mobile D and if left to his own devices, you’re spot on, likely would’ve passed on Makar.

Butcher by some accounts had some attitude that he seemingly failed to adjust as I think he’s a fringe guy now, after a solid rookie year and a steady decline from there.
Agreed though, that’s def a blind spot to his talent assessment.

Hard to have a career as cut and dry as Roy’s was on the ice: Rookie Season, Conn Smyrhe, instant legend lol.
It’s worth noting that you holding up his first playoff appearance not resulting in a Cup win only serves as proof that he’s the type of guy a team could be comfortable shouldering with a “Stanley Cup or Bust” ethos and could trust in the process even in years when they fell short.

Which is more than can be said about the process in Toronto, seeing as how they dang near ticker tape paraded a first round victory this year.
- 13of39

His experience getting poop pumped 7-0 in a game 7 is a perfect fit for Toronto.

Hard to have a career as cut and dry as Roy’s was on the ice: Rookie Season, Conn Smyrhe, instant legend lol.
It’s worth noting that you holding up his first playoff appearance not resulting in a Cup win only serves as proof that he’s the type of guy a team could be comfortable shouldering with a “Stanley Cup or Bust” ethos and could trust in the process even in years when they fell short.

Which is more than can be said about the process in Toronto, seeing as how they dang near ticker tape paraded a first round victory this year.
- 13of39

I'm not holding up the fact that they didn't win a Cup as proof that he's a "bad" coach.

All I was saying is that his coaching career is open to plenty of reasonable criticism/debate, unlike his playing career. And that the success of the latter doesn't necessarily make him good at the former.

And I'm not exactly sure quitting because he didn't get enough input in player decisions is someone you can really describe as "trusting in the process"

I'm not holding up the fact that they didn't win a Cup as proof that he's a "bad" coach.

All I was saying is that his coaching career is open to plenty of reasonable criticism/debate, unlike his playing career. And that the success of the latter doesn't necessarily make him good at the former.

And I'm not exactly sure quitting because he didn't get enough input in player decisions is someone you can really describe as "trusting in the process"
- eichiefs9

Fair enough. Didn’t realize that’s the point you were making. To which point I agree. No one’s playing days can be copy pasted into a ledger for guaranteed coaching success.

That said, I think the Leafs having a guy whom they, as players, have to answer to, whom has accomplished a lot more than they have and arguably ever will on the ice, is exactly what they need and possibly the only thing that could force them to turn the corner. And again, that’s IF this Toronto group can turn the corner at all.

It’s less about Roy being amazing and more about this group needing a Roy sized mountain of humility to remind them that no one is impressed by their paychecks and it’s time to get to work.

And I’m on the other end “process” wise. I HATED the way, the timing, literally every last detail of his exit from Colorado. That said, I get the impression he was led to believe team success would mean an expanded role for him with regards to personnel decisions. When that seemed to not be the case, we all know what happened next.