Huh? I'll meet your Huh with another huh?
- Phillywhiteout

Even this response makes me shake my head.

What does recycling coaches mean? One coach gets fired from his NHL coaching job, so naturally they get another NHL coaching job. The cycle is no different from any other profession. For example off the top of my head…hockey players, in trade and free agency?

Lavy to the Rags? The NHL sure likes recycling coaches. Lavy actually has a shorter shelf life than Torts. Teams get a one or two year burst after they hire him and then it's quickly all down hill from there. The Rags are desperate!
- Phillywhiteout

If it's like Game 7 Stanley Cup Finals nobody's gonna make you run thru a wall like Lavy can. But the Rangers desperately need team structure and Lavy won't really provide that. Gonna be the same chance-trading team under Lavy as they've been under Gallant.

Seeing a lot of fans panicking at the idea of potentially moving Hart... they believe that his numbers are stunted by the weak team/defense in front of him, that he's only 24, and could turn out to be another Bob if he's traded somewhere else.

Just keep in mind that age-24 Bob won the Vezina playing behind an arguably less talented team than the 22-23 Flyers, with a defense corps led by Jack freakin' Johnson, and Todd Richards behind the bench.

Great goaltending transcends.

Hart has his moments but he's never been able to sustain an elite level of play. He's a lot closer to a Steve Mason than a Bob. If they can get something substantial for him they really should consider it.

Even this response makes me shake my head.

What does recycling coaches mean? One coach gets fired from his NHL coaching job, so naturally they get another NHL coaching job. The cycle is no different from any other profession. For example off the top of my head…hockey players, in trade and free agency?
- SuperSchennBros

I have to give you credit. You sure have an odd way of looking at things. Recycling in the coaching ranks of the NHL is certainly different than other professions cause there are ONLY 32 spots available and yet the same guys keep getting jobs after getting fired. It's a well known fact that the NHL has an obsession with rehiring (recycling) fired coaches. Really not sure what your point is here, but it's not the first time and probably won't be the last.

Seeing a lot of fans panicking at the idea of potentially moving Hart... they believe that his numbers are stunted by the weak team/defense in front of him, that he's only 24, and could turn out to be another Bob if he's traded somewhere else.

Just keep in mind that age-24 Bob won the Vezina playing behind an arguably less talented team than the 22-23 Flyers, with a defense corps led by Jack freakin' Johnson, and Todd Richards behind the bench.

Great goaltending transcends.

Hart has his moments but he's never been able to sustain an elite level of play. He's a lot closer to a Steve Mason than a Bob. If they can get something substantial for him they really should consider it.
- Tomahawk

I don't have a problem with exploring it. But they had better get a hell of lot better deal than they got for Bob. (2012 2nd (Stolarz), 4th,(Taylor Leier) and a 2013
4th (Justin Auger) Which was traded by the Flyers in the Gagne trade.)

Looking at that whole Bob fiasco it becomes an even bigger clusterfrank every time.

Hart is worth a 1st and a prospect at minimum to even think about entertaining it.

If it's like Game 7 Stanley Cup Finals nobody's gonna make you run thru a wall like Lavy can. But the Rangers desperately need team structure and Lavy won't really provide that. Gonna be the same chance-trading team under Lavy as they've been under Gallant.
- Tomahawk

Yeah, Lavy isn't known for providing defensive structure. It's an exciting brand of hockey, but for a team that needs structure that probably isn't gonna work. They'll get a boost from his rah rah energy for the first season or two and then they will grow tired of his act just like everywhere else. It's funny that I still see comments that the Flyers shouldn't have fired Lavy when they did. They just don't understand the way it works with him. They had totally tuned him out by the time he was fired here. They almost caught that Lavy lightning in a bottle in 2010, but just came up short.

I don't have a problem with exploring it. But they had better get a hell of lot better deal than they got for Bob. (2012 2nd (Stolarz), 4th,(Taylor Leier) and a 2013
4th (Justin Auger) Which was traded by the Flyers in the Gagne trade.)

Looking at that whole Bob fiasco it becomes an even bigger clusterfrank every time.

Hart is worth a 1st and a prospect at minimum to even think about entertaining it.
- MBFlyerfan

Bob wasn't really looked at as that hot of a commodity when he was traded and if I'm not mistaken he wanted out of Philly which may have lowered his trade value as well. The Flyers should certainly get more for Hart cause he is much more established than Bob was when he was traded and I think he is still looked at in a positive light around the league (although I have some doubts about him).

If it's like Game 7 Stanley Cup Finals nobody's gonna make you run thru a wall like Lavy can. But the Rangers desperately need team structure and Lavy won't really provide that. Gonna be the same chance-trading team under Lavy as they've been under Gallant.
- Tomahawk

Badcock could be the solution.

On this Memorial Day we honor all of the brave men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice in service of our country. Our deep appreciation goes out to them as well as their families. Thank you all for your sacrifice so that we can be free to live, laugh, cry, yes and even argue over hockey under the blanket of freedom you have preserved for us!
- mikeyo27

AMEN!!!!!

On this Memorial Day we honor all of the brave men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice in service of our country. Our deep appreciation goes out to them as well as their families. Thank you all for your sacrifice so that we can be free to live, laugh, cry, yes and even argue over hockey under the blanket of freedom you have preserved for us!
- mikeyo27

I agree 100% and would like to add the families that have lost sons, daughters, mothers and fathers.
A heartfelt Thank You to all who have sacrificed for this nation.

I have to give you credit. You sure have an odd way of looking at things. Recycling in the coaching ranks of the NHL is certainly different than other professions cause there are ONLY 32 spots available and yet the same guys keep getting jobs after getting fired. It's a well known fact that the NHL has an obsession with rehiring (recycling) fired coaches. Really not sure what your point is here, but it's not the first time and probably won't be the last.

- Phillywhiteout

Trading a player is the equivalent of getting fired. They don’t want that player anymore, so someone comes along and takes that player. Which is the very definition of recycling.

Another NHL team will see another coaches body of work in the NHL and if his style and system works for their team, they hire them. Who else would the NHL hire outside of coaches they may have groomed themselves. It’s called experience?

Your comment was dumb.

Yeah, Lavy isn't known for providing defensive structure. It's an exciting brand of hockey, but for a team that needs structure that probably isn't gonna work. They'll get a boost from his rah rah energy for the first season or two and then they will grow tired of his act just like everywhere else. It's funny that I still see comments that the Flyers shouldn't have fired Lavy when they did. They just don't understand the way it works with him. They had totally tuned him out by the time he was fired here. They almost caught that Lavy lightning in a bottle in 2010, but just came up short.
- Phillywhiteout

Lightning in a bottle? Laviolette has made it to the Stanley Cup Final 3 times in his career and won once. Was it lightning in a bottle when Lacy’s Nashville team made it to the Stanley cup final in 2017?

Trading a player is the equivalent of getting fired. They don’t want that player anymore, so someone comes along and takes that player. Which is the very definition of recycling.

Another NHL team will see another coaches by of work in the NHL and if his style and system works for their team, they hire them. Who else would the NHL hire outside of coaches they may have groomed themselves. It’s called experience.

Your comment was dumb.
- SuperSchennBros

I would say trading a player is the equivalent of getting transferred.

I would say trading a player is the equivalent of getting transferred.
- MBFlyerfan

A transfer is normally a decision made by the student/employee. Free agency to me is a transfer.

1, Agree, no player should be untouchable.

4.Farabee and Konecny for top 10 draft picks...Im not sure which teams that have top 10 draft picks are in a position to want to trade for Farabee. Possibly Konecny, but again, a team in a top 10 draft position probably isn't in the market for either of them IMO.

6. Again, I wouldn't move Hart unless it was for a high pick and prospect. Im just not sure most of those teams picking in the top 10 are in a position to deal. LA certainly isn't that team since they don't even have a first round pick this year and are very likely to not be in the top 10 next year.

Im with you that they need to blow it up.
- MBFlyerfan

If you move a pivotal player who is mid 20s or beyond, chances are it will be to a team that is bubble team or better => draft picks that are worse than top 10. But here is the thing: the removal of that pivotal player might improve your own draft pick, which is something that is rarely discussed.

TK probably has the most value and is our most tradeable asset. But he will likely not affect our fortunes as much as Hart would and thus, the net return for Hart (draft pick + improvement of our own pick position) might exceed that of TK.

I don't have a problem with exploring it. But they had better get a hell of lot better deal than they got for Bob. (2012 2nd (Stolarz), 4th,(Taylor Leier) and a 2013
4th (Justin Auger) Which was traded by the Flyers in the Gagne trade.)

Looking at that whole Bob fiasco it becomes an even bigger clusterfrank every time.

Hart is worth a 1st and a prospect at minimum to even think about entertaining it.
- MBFlyerfan

Hopefully he still has enough cache left to net that kind of return.

Trade market for goalies is usually pretty limited, tho.

Hopefully he still has enough cache left to net that kind of return.




Trade market for goalies is usually pretty limited, tho.
- Tomahawk

If not. you keep him.

Trading a player is the equivalent of getting fired.
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- SuperSchennBros

HUH??

Lightning in a bottle? Laviolette has made it to the Stanley Cup Final 3 times in his career and won once. Was it lightning in a bottle when Lacy’s Nashville team made it to the Stanley cup final in 2017?
- SuperSchennBros

As usual you completely miss the point. I was referring to the fact that if you are going to have success with Lavy it better happen quickly cause the polish comes off quickly. He won with Carolina in his second season and he took the Flyers to the Finals in his first season. With the Preds he took them to the Finals in his 3rd season. The guy has about a 3 year shelf life and then the players shut him out. Thanks!

Trading a player is the equivalent of getting fired. They don’t want that player anymore, so someone comes along and takes that player. Which is the very definition of recycling.

Another NHL team will see another coaches body of work in the NHL and if his style and system works for their team, they hire them. Who else would the NHL hire outside of coaches they may have groomed themselves. It’s called experience?

Your comment was dumb.
- SuperSchennBros

What the hell are you talking about? The point of recycling is the fact that many folks wonder why teams always recycle versus bringing someone up from the ranks. Paul Maurice, Gallant, Debour(however you spell it), Lavy and Bruce Cassidy to name a few recently. The NHL does not groom coaches!! The individual organizations groom coaches. I'm done here cause you are about as sharp as a bowlin ball!

He is mistaken in the belief of needing that kind of player. I hope this is not indicative of the kind of GM he is going to be. Not confidence building.
- MJL

Yeah Danny’s personal experience in the NHL is just no match for your assessments 🤣

What the hell are you talking about? The point of recycling is the fact that many folks wonder why teams always recycle versus bringing someone up from the ranks. Paul Maurice, Gallant, Debour(however you spell it), Lavy and Bruce Cassidy to name a few recently. The NHL does not groom coaches!! The individual organizations groom coaches. I'm done here cause you are about as sharp as a bowlin ball!
- Phillywhiteout

Lavy has made it to a Stanley cup final 3 times in his career, regardless of how quickly he takes his team there. Why wouldn’t an organization want this?

As usual you completely miss the point. I was referring to the fact that if you are going to have success with Lavy it better happen quickly cause the polish comes off quickly. He won with Carolina in his second season and he took the Flyers to the Finals in his first season. With the Preds he took them to the Finals in his 3rd season. The guy has about a 3 year shelf life and then the players shut him out. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

It’s not that I’m missing the point. It’s that nothing you ever post is informative. Not to mention you speak in clichés.

Right, wrong or whatever, this is how I view Lavy, which is a much higher respect to John Tortorella. Laviolette gets hired by teams who think they can win now. The Philadelphia Flyers just traded for Chris Pronger and signed Ray Emery in the summer of 2009 thinking they were ready to “win now” but once they had a slow start the Flyers looked to Lavy’s experience. The Capitals win a Stanley Cup but lose Barry Trotz and are still in “win now” mode, so they sign a coach who can help. Obviously Nashville was in “win now” mode when they hired Peter Laviolette. This sounds like a compliment to Lavy to me. New York clearly thinks they can win now if you’re making trades for Tarasenko and Kane at the trade deadline…but hey, who am I? I’m just a guy missing the point.

Hopefully he still has enough cache left to net that kind of return.

Trade market for goalies is usually pretty limited, tho.
- Tomahawk

I think there is a bigger market this summer with some up and coming teams providing some additional partners.

Bob wasn't really looked at as that hot of a commodity when he was traded and if I'm not mistaken he wanted out of Philly which may have lowered his trade value as well. The Flyers should certainly get more for Hart cause he is much more established than Bob was when he was traded and I think he is still looked at in a positive light around the league (although I have some doubts about him).
- Phillywhiteout

Wel it is the one thing the Flyers excel at -- lowering the trade value of a player before they trade him