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TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 10 @ 2:34 PM ET
Power isn’t a RFA now. Chances are he gets better puck luck next season.

I can’t fathom a reason Power signs now as opposed to a year from now. It makes 0 sense

- sbroads24

Getting back to your last question..... 8x8 is not team friendly. I bet they'd do it though
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 10 @ 2:35 PM ET
He gets that deal and maybe more 1 year from now.
- sbroads24

Much can happen in 365 days time. Guaranteed money is in fact guaranteed
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 2:36 PM ET
Getting back to your last question..... 8x8 is not team friendly. I bet they'd do it though
- TheHank

It’s team friendly if he’s worth more 2-3 years from
Now when the cap matters to us.
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Jun 10 @ 2:38 PM ET
Power isn’t a RFA now. Chances are he gets better puck luck next season.

I can’t fathom a reason Power signs now as opposed to a year from now. It makes 0 sense

- sbroads24



His usage is mostly capped out though. Its not one of the circumstances where you say "next year he'll get PP time so hes better off waiting". He's got exactly as much special teams time as he is ever likely to get playing here. Ditto 3 on 3. His value to the team is more or less established. The only way to really increase his number/overall cap hit percentage is if he eclipsed dahlin in some way next year, which is a tall order.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 10 @ 2:38 PM ET
It’s team friendly if he’s worth more 2-3 years from
Now when the cap matters to us.

- sbroads24

Yep. If he is worth more than that 2-3 years from now then it would be. It's not 2-3 years from now right now and he isn't worth that right now. Right now 8x8 is not team friendly, it's actually quite player friendly if you ask me.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 2:41 PM ET
Power isn’t a RFA now. Chances are he gets better puck luck next season.

I can’t fathom a reason Power signs now as opposed to a year from now. It makes 0 sense

- sbroads24


Should Dahlin wait a year as well then? His leverage would improve.

Guaranteed money is a compelling reason.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Jun 10 @ 2:42 PM ET
Should Dahlin wait a year as well then? His leverage would improve.

Guaranteed money is a compelling reason.

- Lunaion

His leverage would skyrocket even if he flat lines next year.

Yes. 80m is 80m is 80m.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 2:49 PM ET
His leverage would skyrocket even if he flat lines next year.

Yes. 80m is 80m is 80m.

- TheHank


He's in position to wait and ask for whatever Matthews gets. Agreeing early is a gift from him and could easily influence what happens with Power.

8x10 and 8x9 would be awesome.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 10 @ 2:56 PM ET
I really don't get giving up all these assets for Hart

just sign Tristan Jarry and keep the assets

or one of the cane goalies

or adin hill

or korpisalo

Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 10 @ 3:02 PM ET
He's in position to wait and ask for whatever Matthews gets. Agreeing early is a gift from him and could easily influence what happens with Power.

8x10 and 8x9 would be awesome.

- Lunaion


Some people are talking like Matthews could get $13+

I dont think Dahlin would get that much but if that's his ask, I think I'd look to trade him
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 3:06 PM ET
Some people are talking like Matthews could get $13+

I dont think Dahlin would get that much but if that's his ask, I think I'd look to trade him

- Hank Balling


Matthews is an interesting study.

Was his 21-22 season an anomaly in terms of goal scoring, or was that the new baseline and his 22-23 season was the anomaly?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 10 @ 3:10 PM ET
Some people are talking like Matthews could get $13+

I dont think Dahlin would get that much but if that's his ask, I think I'd look to trade him

- Hank Balling

Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 10 @ 3:10 PM ET
Matthews is an interesting study.

Was his 21-22 season an anomaly in terms of goal scoring, or was that the new baseline and his 22-23 season was the anomaly?

- kingcong39


Lowest shooting percentage of his career so I think he'll bounce back. Will he ever hit 60 again? I'd probably say no
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 3:11 PM ET
Sabres met with Reinbacher this week
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 10 @ 3:13 PM ET
Lowest shooting percentage of his career so I think he'll bounce back. Will he ever hit 60 again? I'd probably say no
- Hank Balling


Yes, but there has been talk it was due to an injury, and one that could linger/be long term.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 10 @ 3:44 PM ET
So Power should want to sign a team friendly long term deal 1 year into his career a year before the flat cap rises because he might get hurt?

People should prepare for a bridge. Power has no motivation to do an 8 year deal with us this offseason

- sbroads24


Like I said, I can see both strategies.

From the side of the Sabres, I would want to lock him up long-term and avoid getting completely screwed in 2 or 3 years. In my world, that means paying him him pretty solid value during that longer term. Say ~$7.5m × 5 years, and $11m for 3.

From Power's side I can see betting on himself. But with that, do the Sabres pay him more than Dahlin's $10m per, or even $11m (= Dahlin's 12% of Cap x say $89m after 2 more seasons).

He is a 10.2c p,ayers after next season, meaning he can only negotiate with the Sabres...that is very strick organizational control, and very much restricts Power's negotiating strengths if they wanted to be Richards in negotiations (think CBJ historically).

There are tradeoffs.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 10 @ 3:55 PM ET
Matthews is an interesting study.

Was his 21-22 season an anomaly in terms of goal scoring, or was that the new baseline and his 22-23 season was the anomaly?

- kingcong39

nhl players all time goals per game, over 330 games

matthews is 4th all time

behind
bossy
mario
bure


https://www.quanthockey.c...als-per-game-leaders.html
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 10 @ 3:55 PM ET
I really don't get giving up all these assets for Hart

just sign Tristan Jarry and keep the assets

or one of the cane goalies

or adin hill

or korpisalo

- homiedclown


Bingo.
turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Jun 10 @ 4:44 PM ET
I really don't get giving up all these assets for Hart

just sign Tristan Jarry and keep the assets

or one of the cane goalies

or adin hill

or korpisalo

- homiedclown


Agree but we would then have 4 goalies. Comrie you can send down to the AHL and if he gets claimed, so what. UPL would have to be traded cuz having 3 goalies on the active roster, like last year, is less than ideal
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 4:44 PM ET
Some people are talking like Matthews could get $13+

I dont think Dahlin would get that much but if that's his ask, I think I'd look to trade him

- Hank Balling


Maybe not, but could he get 1m less and be the highest paid D? I think so. It's a relief that he's not playing it that hard.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 4:47 PM ET
Like I said, I can see both strategies.

From the side of the Sabres, I would want to lock him up long-term and avoid getting completely screwed in 2 or 3 years. In my world, that means paying him him pretty solid value during that longer term. Say ~$7.5m × 5 years, and $11m for 3.

From Power's side I can see betting on himself. But with that, do the Sabres pay him more than Dahlin's $10m per, or even $11m (= Dahlin's 12% of Cap x say $89m after 2 more seasons).

He is a 10.2c p,ayers after next season, meaning he can only negotiate with the Sabres...that is very strick organizational control, and very much restricts Power's negotiating strengths if they wanted to be Richards in negotiations (think CBJ historically).

There are tradeoffs.

- IonSabres

That's not Vibey!! It's gonna come down to what Power wants. Maybe he's Happy and really likes the Organization and says you know what how about 8 × 8.5 Avv and let's go win some Cups. Or I am gonna take another year to think on this.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 4:48 PM ET
I really don't get giving up all these assets for Hart

just sign Tristan Jarry and keep the assets

or one of the cane goalies

or adin hill

or korpisalo

- homiedclown


I don't get it for Hart either. He's not close to that level.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 4:53 PM ET
I don't get it for Hart either. He's not close to that level.
- Lunaion

If there trading for a Goalie I would want Saros. Think they should be going high end D shopping with their assets IMO.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 4:55 PM ET
That's not Vibey!! It's gonna come down to what Power wants. Maybe he's Happy and really likes the Organization and says you know what how about 8 × 8.5 Avv and let's go win some Cups. Or I am gonna take another year to think on this.
- Buff36


I don't see the landscape changing for him in a year. Strange to go long term after a year, but it just kind of lines up for everyone.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 10 @ 4:57 PM ET
nhl players all time goals per game, over 330 games

matthews is 4th all time

behind
bossy
mario
bure


https://www.quanthockey.c...als-per-game-leaders.html

- homiedclown


What could've been had Bossy and Bure not been plagued by injuries... Bure's clapper was unstoppable, even Hasek couldn't stop it.
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