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Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 12:02 PM ET
Think Power waits and sees how everything sets up. If the Sabres get him the right D partner the kid could really take off. We could be looking at a expensive bridge deal if nothing happens this summer.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 10 @ 12:02 PM ET
I would be moving assets for a legit top 4 d man and a second line winger to go with cozens and quinn

lots of decent free agent goalies you can get for 1 or 2 years costing no assets

- homiedclown


Spot on...fix the defense, both the holes and the system awareness and they automatically help the Goalie.

At G, find an experienced vet who can play ~40 games and serve as a mentor to both Levi and UPL.
Carry those 3, send Comrie down.
lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jun 10 @ 12:02 PM ET
I would be moving assets for a legit top 4 d man and a second line winger to go with cozens and quinn

lots of decent free agent goalies you can get for 1 or 2 years costing no assets

- homiedclown

Savoie should be on the table
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 12:02 PM ET
look at leafs
matthews free agent at 26
marner at 28
nylander at 28


by not bridging them

they were up against the cap a few years earlier and the 3 guys could walk 3 years earlier

- homiedclown


Well.....they also signed for 5 and 6 years. Terrible work.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 10 @ 12:04 PM ET
If Dahlin is 10m, have to assume he gets a little less. 9m makes sense. 9.5m wouldn't bother me. 8.5m might be the floor. The term is the interesting part. He'll be 5 years to UFA, so need it to be 7 or 8 years.
- Lunaion


Ideally you take the dahlin approach.

Rookie 3 year deal
Bridge 3 year deal
Max 8 year deal.

Have the player from 18-32 years old.

We discussed this in the past. The 3, 3 and 8 is an usual approach.

8 now for power, gets him ufa at 28ish, with plenty of hockey left in his career.

What's your chances of 3 vs 8 here % wise?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 12:07 PM ET
Spot on...fix the defense, both the holes and the system awareness and they automatically help the Goalie.

At G, find an experienced vet who can play ~40 games and serve as a mentor to both Levi and UPL.
Carry those 3, send Comrie down.

- IonSabres

Just say one thing cause I agree for the most part. But they have to want to come here to.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 10 @ 12:08 PM ET
Think Power waits and sees how everything sets up. If the Sabres get him the right D partner the kid could really take off. We could be looking at a expensive bridge deal if nothing happens this summer.
- Buff36


I agree, seems like waiting should pay more overall for power.

Cap space should go up after next season.

Be
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 10 @ 12:08 PM ET
Think Power waits and sees how everything sets up. If the Sabres get him the right D partner the kid could really take off. We could be looking at a expensive bridge deal if nothing happens this summer.
- Buff36


I agree, seems like waiting should pay more overall for power.

Cap space should go up after next season.

Bet on himself. Power could be generational.....
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 12:09 PM ET
bridge was fine for dahlin, and he played a full rookie season instead of a few games


why would anyone want power to be a free agent before dahlin?

- homiedclown


Because things can go very wrong at the end of a bridge. The player gains a lot of control.

Looks like it will work out with Dahlin, but he could easily have punched his ticket out of town. If the cap wasn't flat, his cost would have gone way up from a long term deal as well.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 10 @ 12:12 PM ET
That would start a fight. On a bridge, I'd bet he'd want 4x7.75m.

Not sure why either side would want a bridge this summer. That's where you go next year, if you have to.

- Lunaion


Bridge deal works if his Agent is balking at the figures used for the last 6 years of the 8 year deal...based on the assumption the Cap goes up significantly after 2 more seasons

As a young player, having say $72m without worry has to be pretty attractive.
Adams has to use the Stevie Y buy-in model to help thesse guys understand winning the SC is far more significant to them down the road than an additional couple $M.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 12:15 PM ET
Ideally you take the dahlin approach.

Rookie 3 year deal
Bridge 3 year deal
Max 8 year deal.

Have the player from 18-32 years old.

We discussed this in the past. The 3, 3 and 8 is an usual approach.

8 now for power, gets him ufa at 28ish, with plenty of hockey left in his career.

What's your chances of 3 vs 8 here % wise?

- Boss34


When it comes to Power, you're talking 4 instead of 3. His 1st year doesn't count towards UFA.

Dahlin is a bad example here, imo. They wanted him long term. He was coming off a bad year and his peers pushed the market higher that the team would go. It's just not the case here.

Locking him in long term at today's price is now the Sabrey thing.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 10 @ 12:15 PM ET
Bridge deal works if his Agent is balking at the figures used for the last 6 years of the 8 year deal...based on the assumption the Cap goes up significantly after 2 more seasons

As a young player, having say $72m without worry has to be pretty attractive.
Adams has to use the Stevie Y buy-in model to help thesse guys understand winning the SC is far more significant to them down the road than an additional couple $M.

- IonSabres



Good post

Seems like most of these contracts are based on % of the cap. When the cap goes up, theoretically power's cost will go up.

Lock him up
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 12:16 PM ET
Bridge deal works if his Agent is balking at the figures used for the last 6 years of the 8 year deal...based on the assumption the Cap goes up significantly after 2 more seasons

As a young player, having say $72m without worry has to be pretty attractive.
Adams has to use the Stevie Y buy-in model to help thesse guys understand winning the SC is far more significant to them down the road than an additional couple $M.

- IonSabres

That's it, sure Powers Agent is pushing a few $ buttons with Power. But Power has say in this to, maybe the Boy just wants to be here.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 10 @ 12:18 PM ET
When it comes to Power, you're talking 4 instead of 3. His 1st year doesn't count towards UFA.

Dahlin is a bad example here, imo. They wanted him long term. He was coming off a bad year and his peers pushed the market higher that the team would go. It's just not the case here.

Locking him in long term at today's price is now the Sabrey thing.

- Lunaion


Appreciate your opinion. Locking the core up for long term is the way the "new" sabres do business.

With all this long term deals in place, I bet the team is in a great position to sell.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 10 @ 12:20 PM ET
That's it, sure Powers Agent is pushing a few $ buttons with Power. But Power has say in this to, maybe the Boy just wants to be here.
- Buff36


The fact that power grew up not far from the border helps him feel at home in buffalo IMO.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 10 @ 12:20 PM ET
Bridge deal works if his Agent is balking at the figures used for the last 6 years of the 8 year deal...based on the assumption the Cap goes up significantly after 2 more seasons

As a young player, having say $72m without worry has to be pretty attractive.
Adams has to use the Stevie Y buy-in model to help thesse guys understand winning the SC is far more significant to them down the road than an additional couple $M.

- IonSabres

his agent is pat brisson

same agent as okposo and samuelsson has

and kopitar, mackinnon, crosby, larkin, hughes, robertson, etc


https://puckpedia.com/agent/pat-brisson

I think as long as adams is fair to power it will be a 2 way street


Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 12:23 PM ET
So does Adams reach into the ex teammate bag and pick Perrault ?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 10 @ 12:25 PM ET
So does Adams reach into the ex teammate bag and pick Perrault ?
- Buff36
Perrault is rising big tine in mock drafts

may be gone before we pick
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 12:26 PM ET
Perrault is rising big tine in mock drafts

may be gone before we pick

- homiedclown

Yeah, he wouldn't be outa place at 13, didn't know Adams played with Yanic
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Jun 10 @ 12:44 PM ET
When it comes to Power, you're talking 4 instead of 3. His 1st year doesn't count towards UFA.

Dahlin is a bad example here, imo. They wanted him long term. He was coming off a bad year and his peers pushed the market higher that the team would go. It's just not the case here.

Locking him in long term at today's price is now the Sabrey thing.

- Lunaion


For all the faults of this mgmt group and things ppl are frustrated with, the one thing we can say with near certainty is they arent going to Richard around core players. If they believe they have a core player, that guy is getting a long term deal.

Bridge deals are for amateurs and 7th round picks (im obviously exaggerating for effect)
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jun 10 @ 1:03 PM ET
For all the faults of this mgmt group and things ppl are frustrated with, the one thing we can say with near certainty is they arent going to Richard around core players. If they believe they have a core player, that guy is getting a long term deal.

Bridge deals are for amateurs and 7th round picks (im obviously exaggerating for effect)

- Michael Ghofrani


Flattish cap has also changed the environment a lot. The value range on Power comes down to about 1m now, easy to figure out.

In a way, it's simple with Power. A #1 pick and clear key to the future. What's next? Can't keep handing out these deals. Krebs is coming off an ELC, Mitts and Joker bridges. Quinn, Peterka, and Levi the following year. Tougher decisions.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 1:09 PM ET
Flattish cap has also changed the environment a lot. The value range on Power comes down to about 1m now, easy to figure out.

In a way, it's simple with Power. A #1 pick and clear key to the future. What's next? Can't keep handing out these deals. Krebs is coming off an ELC, Mitts and Joker bridges. Quinn, Peterka, and Levi the following year. Tougher decisions.

- Lunaion

Decisions Decisions Decisions
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 10 @ 1:21 PM ET
https://sabrenoise.com/20...hev-buffalo-sabres-radar/
Kids Nasty, Simashev would be a good get.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 1:22 PM ET
$9m for 8 is the number IMO for long term contract.
Anything less is a win...anything significantly more is in the questionable - crazy range depending on the AAV.

- IonSabres

They should not be trying long term with him right now. It makes no sense to me.

Is he getting PP1 time or supplanting Dahlin anytime soon where he’s going to command 10+ mil?

Lock him up for as many years as possible.

Bridge for 2-3 then do 8
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 10 @ 1:23 PM ET
For all the faults of this mgmt group and things ppl are frustrated with, the one thing we can say with near certainty is they arent going to Richard around core players. If they believe they have a core player, that guy is getting a long term deal.

Bridge deals are for amateurs and 7th round picks (im obviously exaggerating for effect)

- Michael Ghofrani

Can’t understand why we are settling for Power becoming a UFA at 28 to save a mil or two on the cap now. Seems brainless
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