I don’t know what a POHO’s specific responsibilities are. I don’t know why it’s important for me to know this.

We’re not talking about me trying to pick up a little extra pocket change driving for Uber on the weekends. He’s supposed to be the president of an NHL team. To me the point isn’t whether he can do both jobs it’s that his priority should be being POHO.

Sorry you had to wait so long. I was busy. I hope it was worth the wait for you.
- Dkos

It’s clear you as well as many don’t know what you’re talking about at all. One moron brings up as a counter argument that a full time employer can stop another employee from doing another job, for example if Jonesy wanted to work for the Rangers while currently working for the Flyers. Well no poop buddy, because Jonesy I assume is contractually obliged to the Flyers while working in the same league as the rangers. My point, if you can’t think of a real reason to complain, why complain? Playoffs are over in 3 weeks. He’s not continuing with his work with TNT beyond the playoffs.

Does anyone here even know when Keith Jones contractual obligations to the Flyers are dated to begin? Maybe the contract kicks in after playoffs? I don’t know. Do you know?

Jesus people…

When you have a chance to go far in the playoffs and you bank on an old player who is often injured, you have done your team a disservice
- ClaudeFather

Disagree. There were limited players available of that caliber. The salary cap needs to be managed. You would be doing a much larger disservice to your team by getting into a long-term deal with the wrong player. They didn't have to give up anything to get him and with one year left on his deal, the risk moving forward was minimal. If he hadn't gotten reinjured. He is the caliber of player that could've really helped them.

Frost would be further along in his development if it wasn't for Yeo and to a lesser extend Tortorella holding him back. Frost was already that player before he even played a game for Tortorella. Frost is a player that is never going to say anything negative. To his credit, that is his nature. In that interview, did Frost reaffirm that he is an AHL player like you stated?
- MJL

yes, Frost reaffirmed that at the start of the season he was playing like an AHL player.

Disagree. There were limited players available of that caliber. The salary cap needs to be managed. You would be doing a much larger disservice to your team by getting into a long-term deal with the wrong player. They didn't have to give up anything to get him and with one year left on his deal, the risk moving forward was minimal. If he hadn't gotten reinjured. He is the caliber of player that could've really helped them.
- MJL

It’s something that could have been addressed at the deadline, they did not. GM failed the team

Hart is a good player but he is not a top goalie in the league.
- MJL

Really, and how do you know this? Has Hart played on a good team yet? In 2019 when Hart actually got a chance to play in the playoffs he was actually very good, 2.3 GAA and a .926 Save %. Hart has been a winner at every level of his career so far and I have no doubt it will be the same at the NHL level if he is given the chance. I reiterate the Flyers would be incredibly stupid to trade Hart.

If you think Frost was the same player before Torts compared to now then your lack of objectivity is actually worse than we thought which is kinda remarkable. Frost was the same player before…? Really
- Joe Nardone

i know, it's completely laughable

I don't know more than anyone but I know more than you. What Jones was told was irrelevant in my opinion. You want to play both sides of the fence. Question me on whether I know what Jones was told and then assume something.
- MJL

You are selling yourself a little short, Encyclopedia Brown. You definitely know more than anyone, and not just me. Let's say someone was offered a new job and already had a trip booked. Should they cancel the trip and immediately start the new job? If Jonesy wasn't a former Flyer, would you be as upset about his career decisions? You would be complaining about him and his performance no matter what he does, so when he officially starts really doesn't make much of a difference.

We have been through this many times and regardless of how many times it's explained that Gostisbehere not being claimed on waivers does not mean that nobody wanted him. Some still don't grasp the factors involved with a salary cap.
- MJL

No one wanted him at that salary and term. That is a 100% fact. If a team did they would have found a way to make it work.

This is why it would be insanity for the Flyers to trade Hart. You can nowhere as a team without a top goalie and the Flyers have that. It does not matter what the timeline is IMO, the fact is Hart is not even in his prime yet and the new team can grow around Hart. The Flyers can trade anyone else (even TK who I really like) but I would not be on board with them trading Hart.
- jd250

then you don't want to rebuild. Understood.

Frost would be further along in his development if it wasn't for Yeo and to a lesser extend Tortorella holding him back. Frost was already that player before he even played a game for Tortorella. Frost is a player that is never going to say anything negative. To his credit, that is his nature. In that interview, did Frost reaffirm that he is an AHL player like you stated?
- MJL

an assumption.

Bryz was 100% Ed Snider's initiative. He literally pounded his fist on the desk and demanded a long-term -- and immediate-- solution in goal after what happened in the 2010 Final and Lavy"s 2011 playoff goalie carousel.

Both Holmgren and Jeff Reese opined that Bobrovsky would be a bonafide No. 1 NHL goalie for the long haul.

"Will he win us the Cup next season? The year after after?" Snider asked.

Holmgren said he couldn't guarantee that. He was just a believer in Bobrovsky's potential and pleased overall with his rookie season.

Snider didn't think that was enough. Bryz was a year removed from being a Vezina finalist. THAT was want Snider wanted and demanded.

Holmgren had little choice here. Especially because Snider himself started the negotiation with Ritch Winter once Holmgren traded for Bryzgalov's negotiating rights and expressed a willingness to meet the ask.

"I think I cost us a few million dollars there," Snider admitted.

A year later, Bobrovsky's agent said his client would not spend another year as Bryzgalov's backup. He asked for a trade, levering a threat to bolt back to the KHL otherwise.

Holmgren said he'd accommodate the trade request under the condition that the Bobrovsky side not make it public. They agreed and the trade to Columbus went down not long thereafter.

Side note: Compliance buyouts were a supposed non-starter for Gary Bettman in CBA negotiations at the time. It was actually a bargaining chip.

After the 2012-13 season, with Snider's blessing, the Flyers used a compliance buyout on Bryzgalov. (The other was used on Danny Briere.) If Bob could have been convinced to give it one more year, he'd have been the Flyers starter by 2013-14. But it worked out for Bobrovsky... he'd just won his first Vezina.

Ed Snider did a lot more things right than wrong. The Bryz debacle was his mistake, first and foremost.
- bmeltzer

This is one of those situations where having some robust numbers could have really helped the GM push back against an emotional owner.

Bob was 11th in the league in goals saved above expected (9.7). His rebounds per save, medium danger SV%, and high danger SV% were all better than Bryz's in what ended up being his career-best season.

The signs were certainly there and were quantifiable for a team so inclined.

We have been through this many times and regardless of how many times it's explained that Gostisbehere not being claimed on waivers does not mean that nobody wanted him. Some still don't grasp the factors involved with a salary cap.
- MJL

Yes, we get the salary cap, but we also get the fact that Ghost isn't that good. How many years ago was his best season? I'm sure Torts would love Ghost if he were still here

Pacioretty is a player on their roster, who is out injured. It is a fact that they were missing him. It was not a dumb signing. It was a smart move to make.
- MJL

he played a couple games so they didn't really miss him as they never had him to begin with.

Frost showed without a doubt at the end of the 21/22 season what kind of player he was in the NHL. Despite losing most of the opportunity for growth under Yeo due to being played low minutes with low skilled players. Tortorella continued that in the beginning of the 22/23 season and had to be convinced and talked to by upper management to play younger players more. Including Frost. All most high skilled young players need to develop is legitimate ice time with good players in good situations. Frost was well on his way before Tortorella. The credit goes to Frost, not Tortorella and this belief that Tortorella is responsible for Frost's growth as a player, is nonsense. Tortorella was detrimental to his growth for a significant part of the season.

Your post is completely lacking of any substance.
- MJL

an opinion, a valid one, though an opinion none the less.

It’s clear you as well as many don’t know what you’re talking about at all. One moron brings up as a counter argument that a full time employer can stop another employee from doing another job, for example if Jonesy wanted to work for the Rangers while currently working for the Flyers. Well no poop buddy, because Jonesy I assume is contractually obliged to the Flyers while working in the same league as the rangers. My point, if you can’t think of a real reason to complain, why complain? Playoffs are over in 3 weeks. He’s not continuing with his work with TNT beyond the playoffs.

Does anyone here even know when Keith Jones contractual obligations to the Flyers are dated to begin? Maybe the contract kicks in after playoffs? I don’t know. Do you know?

Jesus people…
- SuperSchennBros

full corky.

Are you really this uneducated? Not sure the places you have worked in your lifetime. Many have an employee handbook. Where it states whether or not you can seek other employment while working for the current company. This is a 100% fact. So an employer can prevent you from working another job. Despite what you believe or say.

yes, Frost reaffirmed that at the start of the season he was playing like an AHL player.
- jd250

Of course he did. Your track record of accurately describing what is said in press conference is not good.

Really, and how do you know this? Has Hart played on a good team yet? In 2019 when Hart actually got a chance to play in the playoffs he was actually very good, 2.3 GAA and a .926 Save %. Hart has been a winner at every level of his career so far and I have no doubt it will be the same at the NHL level if he is given the chance. I reiterate the Flyers would be incredibly stupid to trade Hart.
- jd250

How do I know this? Look at the statistical evidence. Then I would ask you how do you know that he is a top goalie in the league? You may have that opinion but you don't know.

You are selling yourself a little short, Encyclopedia Brown. You definitely know more than anyone, and not just me. Let's say someone was offered a new job and already had a trip booked. Should they cancel the trip and immediately start the new job? If Jonesy wasn't a former Flyer, would you be as upset about his career decisions? You would be complaining about him and his performance no matter what he does, so when he officially starts really doesn't make much of a difference.
- Don Nachbaur

Your entire post is worthless hyperbole and does not address the facts. When and if Jones and the Flyers earn praise, then I will give it.

Yes, we get the salary cap, but we also get the fact that Ghost isn't that good. How many years ago was his best season? I'm sure Torts would love Ghost if he were still here
- Don Nachbaur

Quantify that he isn't that good? He's obviously good enough that Carolina was interested in adding him to their defense core as a contending team.

Quantify that he isn't that good? He's obviously good enough that Carolina was interested in adding him to their defense core as a contending team.
- MJL

they added him to play on the bottom pair for a low cost. He really didn't do much for them during his tenure. He was not part of the "core" D. They smartly kept in him in a 3rdpair role.

What kind of contract do you think he will get in free agency? Give a number $ wise and term wise. Now we all know you wont as always refuse to do that.

Your entire post is worthless hyperbole and does not address the facts. When and if Jones and the Flyers earn praise, then I will give it.
- MJL

Jones might never earn praise but the point is that he at least deserves a chance before being criticized.

Quantify that he isn't that good? He's obviously good enough that Carolina was interested in adding him to their defense core as a contending team.
- MJL

When was his last good season again? Did he make a difference for Carolina?

they added him to play on the bottom pair for a low cost. He really didn't do much for them during his tenure. He was not part of the "core" D. They smartly kept in him in a 3rdpair role.

What kind of contract do you think he will get in free agency? Give a number $ wise and term wise. Now we all know you wont as always refuse to do that.
- hello it's me 2050

This sums it up about Ghost. He's fine for a 3rd pair dman but I just don't see him being a difference maker at this point of his career.

Jones might never earn praise but the point is that he at least deserves a chance before being criticized.
- Don Nachbaur

You may disagree though the criticism of him not being fully invested 100% in his new role is warranted to me. Especially seeing he has no management or NHL executive NHL experience.

This sums it up about Ghost. He's fine for a 3rd pair dman but I just don't see him being a difference maker at this point of his career.
- Don Nachbaur

He’s just a body at this point