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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 7:31 AM ET
And from my comment, you came to the conclusion he spends a majority of the day in pre-production meetings, making it unlikely he's fulfilling any PoHO duties?

I'm not saying I'm correct, but there are more than enough hours in the day for him to do both for the short-term.

- BenderRodriguez


No, I came to the conclusion that your description of what Jones' day was like, was likely not accurate. For the reasons I gave.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 7:34 AM ET
I was always a Gudas and Cousins fan, plus felt Bob didn't get a fair chance. I also am always glad to see our former players succeed. That said, I still don't get the Ghost hype. We've been through this so many times...nobody wanted him when we tried to give him away. Yeah, he played well for the Yotes but who cares. I didn't watch much of the series but the Canes are out and obviously, Ghost didn't make much of a difference. Time to move on.
- Don Nachbaur


We have been through this many times and regardless of how many times it's explained that Gostisbehere not being claimed on waivers does not mean that nobody wanted him. Some still don't grasp the factors involved with a salary cap.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 25 @ 8:09 AM ET
I thought the Morgan Frost exit-day interview was very interesting. He is a nice young man, very humble and seems to have a good attitude. He reaffirmed pretty much everything I stated about Frost last year, that he started the season off badly by his own admission, and picked up as the season went along. He credits Torts for really helping him and giving him lot of important minutes down the stretch. So chalk up another player's development to Torts and his staff!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 25 @ 8:15 AM ET
Wow .. 4 game sweep! Some of this forum are absolutely in love with Carolina, "Oh .. they have great structure, great defense!" And they do for the most part. But if you don't have some players that can score gritty playoff goals what does it matter? For Carolina, they need more offense up front, Aho and Necas are just not enough. Tkachuk in my mind is the best forward in the game today, period!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 25 @ 8:20 AM ET
Are you kidding me??? Panthers with the series winner with 4.3 seconds left in the game.

Edit : Bob let's in 6 goals total for the entire series.

- Flyers_01

This is why it would be insanity for the Flyers to trade Hart. You can nowhere as a team without a top goalie and the Flyers have that. It does not matter what the timeline is IMO, the fact is Hart is not even in his prime yet and the new team can grow around Hart. The Flyers can trade anyone else (even TK who I really like) but I would not be on board with them trading Hart.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 25 @ 8:28 AM ET
Recently someone asked me if I had an all-time favorite hockey card. I have 5 rookie Gretzky's so I love them for the money, but my favorite card has to be this one, 1977 Topps Orest Kindrachuk. This card speaks volumes about the game of hockey in the 70s.

ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 25 @ 8:29 AM ET
I never understood the disdain for Gudas. It's funny how these big physical defensemen become more prominent come playoff time. Look at the two teams that are gonna make it to the Finals. Both have their share of big rugged defensemen. Perhaps big physical players aren't as archaic as some folks think.
- Phillywhiteout

I don’t recall much hate for Gudas, am I wrong here? He’s a solid physical player that puts everything on net. And we got back Nisky for him, I don’t think people had an issue with Gudas here
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 8:49 AM ET
Wow .. 4 game sweep! Some of this forum are absolutely in love with Carolina, "Oh .. they have great structure, great defense!" And they do for the most part. But if you don't have some players that can score gritty playoff goals what does it matter? For Carolina, they need more offense up front, Aho and Necas are just not enough. Tkachuk in my mind is the best forward in the game today, period!
- jd250


Three of those 4 games were decided by one goal. Two in OT and one in the last 10 seconds of the game. Carolina made it to the conference finals despite missing two top offensive forwards. Those are the facts despite your hyperbole.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 8:51 AM ET
I thought the Morgan Frost exit-day interview was very interesting. He is a nice young man, very humble and seems to have a good attitude. He reaffirmed pretty much everything I stated about Frost last year, that he started the season off badly by his own admission, and picked up as the season went along. He credits Torts for really helping him and giving him lot of important minutes down the stretch. So chalk up another player's development to Torts and his staff!
- jd250


Frost would be further along in his development if it wasn't for Yeo and to a lesser extend Tortorella holding him back. Frost was already that player before he even played a game for Tortorella. Frost is a player that is never going to say anything negative. To his credit, that is his nature. In that interview, did Frost reaffirm that he is an AHL player like you stated?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 8:52 AM ET
This is why it would be insanity for the Flyers to trade Hart. You can nowhere as a team without a top goalie and the Flyers have that. It does not matter what the timeline is IMO, the fact is Hart is not even in his prime yet and the new team can grow around Hart. The Flyers can trade anyone else (even TK who I really like) but I would not be on board with them trading Hart.
- jd250



Hart is a good player but he is not a top goalie in the league.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 25 @ 8:52 AM ET
Three of those 4 games were decided by one goal. Two in OT and one on the 10 seconds of the game. Carolina made it to the conference finals despite missing two top offensive forwards. Those are the facts despite your hyperbole.
- MJL

They were missing Svechnikov, that’s it. Pacciorety was a dumb signing and wasn’t with the team for more than a handful of games.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 8:55 AM ET
They were missing Svechnikov, that’s it. Pacciorety was a dumb signing and wasn’t with the team for more than a handful of games.
- ClaudeFather


Pacioretty is a player on their roster, who is out injured. It is a fact that they were missing him. It was not a dumb signing. It was a smart move to make.
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

May 25 @ 8:55 AM ET
Frost would be further along in his development if it wasn't for Yeo and to a lesser extend Tortorella holding him back. Frost was already that player before he even played a game for Tortorella. Frost is a player that is never going to say anything negative. To his credit, that is his nature. In that interview, did Frost reaffirm that he is an AHL player like you stated?
- MJL


If you think Frost was the same player before Torts compared to now then your lack of objectivity is actually worse than we thought which is kinda remarkable. Frost was the same player before…? Really

missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

May 25 @ 8:59 AM ET
You missed the point. It's okay for him to accept another job. Just get started with that other job immediately.
- MJL

That rarely happens in real life for the already employed people. Most often than not we they have to fulfil their current job obligations.
Can he do both? I would assume that he has been doing this already.
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

May 25 @ 9:00 AM ET
We have been through this many times and regardless of how many times it's explained that Gostisbehere not being claimed on waivers does not mean that nobody wanted him. Some still don't grasp the factors involved with a salary cap.
- MJL


It means no one wanted him at that contract. Not saying I like what happened to Ghost here, but the nhl deemed he was not worth his contract at that given time. Nothing against Ghost. It’s a cap league.

Since Pronger went down this team has been a mess on D and the last two GMs should never be allowed to participate in a dman discussion ever again.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

May 25 @ 9:03 AM ET
Wow .. 4 game sweep! Some of this forum are absolutely in love with Carolina, "Oh .. they have great structure, great defense!" And they do for the most part. But if you don't have some players that can score gritty playoff goals what does it matter? For Carolina, they need more offense up front, Aho and Necas are just not enough. Tkachuk in my mind is the best forward in the game today, period!
- jd250


The loss to the Panthers in no way diminishes what the Hurricanes have accomplished. It was an extremely hard fought series that was decided by 4 goals total plus 5 OT periods, and a goaltender in Bob who is at the top of his game. The Hurricanes are built to be contenders for many years.

Either team would've looked good in the Stanley Cup finals.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 9:03 AM ET
If you think Frost was the same player before Torts compared to now then your lack of objectivity is actually worse than we thought which is kinda remarkable. Frost was the same player before…? Really
- Joe Nardone



Frost showed without a doubt at the end of the 21/22 season what kind of player he was in the NHL. Despite losing most of the opportunity for growth under Yeo due to being played low minutes with low skilled players. Tortorella continued that in the beginning of the 22/23 season and had to be convinced and talked to by upper management to play younger players more. Including Frost. All most high skilled young players need to develop is legitimate ice time with good players in good situations. Frost was well on his way before Tortorella. The credit goes to Frost, not Tortorella and this belief that Tortorella is responsible for Frost's growth as a player, is nonsense. Tortorella was detrimental to his growth for a significant part of the season.

Your post is completely lacking of any substance.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 9:06 AM ET
That rarely happens in real life for the already employed people. Most often than not we they have to fulfil their current job obligations.
Can he do both? I would assume that he has been doing this already.

- missingmike


It's not the regular work world. If anyone can provide information that he was contractually obligated, I'd be happy to take a look at it. Information that I'm aware of is that this is something he wanted to do, and the Flyers agreed. I think you can say it was right of him to fulfill the obligation, but my preference is that he would focus immediately on the Flyers with the state that the franchise is in.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 25 @ 9:11 AM ET
Pacioretty is a player on their roster, who is out injured. It is a fact that they were missing him. It was not a dumb signing. It was a smart move to make.
- MJL

How’d it work out 😂
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

May 25 @ 9:27 AM ET
https://www.inquirer.com/...er-gauthier-20230525.html

In some cases, Flahr said the size aspect of their drafting was intentional. But in others, the way the board fell, it just kind of worked out that the Flyers ended up with physically larger prospects. This year, Flahr reiterated that the Flyers want the “biggest, most skilled, fastest, hardest-working” players. It’s every team’s goal to win the Stanley Cup, and to compete in the “heavy game” that characterizes the playoffs, Flahr said it helps to have size.

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The Flyers are still focused on size in the upcoming draft. Having size doesn't hurt but if it's between size and skill, or size and foot speed what do you choose?



Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 25 @ 9:27 AM ET
Wow .. 4 game sweep! Some of this forum are absolutely in love with Carolina, "Oh .. they have great structure, great defense!" And they do for the most part. But if you don't have some players that can score gritty playoff goals what does it matter? For Carolina, they need more offense up front, Aho and Necas are just not enough. Tkachuk in my mind is the best forward in the game today, period!
- jd250
I figured that would be the bugaboo for Carolina (their lack of scoring up front). It becomes a battle of attrition as you get deeper into the playoffs and losing Slavin and the other guy (Noesen?) hurt them last night. Ghost basically gave the Panthers that 3rd goal and Carolina just doesn't have enough snipers up front (with the injuries) to overcome that sort of thing. As always, it is a fine line between winning and losing when the best teams are left standing. This series will go down as a sweep, but it was much closer than that.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

May 25 @ 9:28 AM ET
https://www.inquirer.com/...er-gauthier-20230525.html

In some cases, Flahr said the size aspect of their drafting was intentional. But in others, the way the board fell, it just kind of worked out that the Flyers ended up with physically larger prospects. This year, Flahr reiterated that the Flyers want the “biggest, most skilled, fastest, hardest-working” players. It’s every team’s goal to win the Stanley Cup, and to compete in the “heavy game” that characterizes the playoffs, Flahr said it helps to have size.

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The Flyers are still focused on size in the upcoming draft. Having size doesn't hurt but if it's between size and skill, or size and foot speed what do you choose?

- Flyers_01
You still need a heavy game come playoff time, but at the end of the day it is a speed and skill league.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 9:30 AM ET
How’d it work out 😂
- ClaudeFather


Can't predict injuries. He had one year left on his deal. There wasn't a large risk to the move. That he reinjured his Achillies, does not make it a dumb move
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 25 @ 9:33 AM ET
https://www.inquirer.com/...er-gauthier-20230525.html

In some cases, Flahr said the size aspect of their drafting was intentional. But in others, the way the board fell, it just kind of worked out that the Flyers ended up with physically larger prospects. This year, Flahr reiterated that the Flyers want the “biggest, most skilled, fastest, hardest-working” players. It’s every team’s goal to win the Stanley Cup, and to compete in the “heavy game” that characterizes the playoffs, Flahr said it helps to have size.

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The Flyers are still focused on size in the upcoming draft. Having size doesn't hurt but if it's between size and skill, or size and foot speed what do you choose?

- Flyers_01


You choose skill and speed over just size. If there is a tie on players with the same skill and speed level, then take the bigger player as a tie breaker if there is a significant difference in size.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 25 @ 9:36 AM ET
Can't predict injuries. He had one year left on his deal. There wasn't a large risk to the move. That he reinjured his Achillies, does not make it a dumb move
- MJL

When you have a chance to go far in the playoffs and you bank on an old player who is often injured, you have done your team a disservice
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