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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 12 @ 5:33 PM ET
What's done? It's 4:29PM eastern time, I'm in Ohio, I'm done for the day. By the way, I just posted a couple Athletic articles in my forums blog. You're welcome!! It's not for commenting BTW, it's just for reading...
- LeftCoaster

Losing faith in management that they have included a 3lc and a slow goal scoring winger in 2 out of 3 interviews
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 5:42 PM ET
Losing faith in management that they have included a 3lc and a slow goal scoring winger in 2 out of 3 interviews
- manvanfan


But are they Swedish?

Also keep in mind what Rutherford said"They know more than you do"
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 12 @ 5:54 PM ET
Losing faith in management that they have included a 3lc and a slow goal scoring winger in 2 out of 3 interviews
- manvanfan

Maybe they know more than you, or they just thought they were sexy?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 5:59 PM ET
Maybe they know more than you, or they just thought they were sexy?
- LeftCoaster

Nate Danielson is bigger and faster than Bo with a more well rounded game in their draft years. Nate led his team in scoring with 76 points in 63 games while Bo managed 61 points in 67 games on a stacked London team. Perhaps Nate can be more than a 3C LOL. I’m not saying they should draft the kid I’m just saying it’s pretty stupid calling him a “3C”
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 6:02 PM ET
Nate Danielson is bigger and faster than Bo with a more well rounded game in their draft years. Nate led his team in scoring with 76 points in 63 games while Bo managed 61 points in 67 games on a stacked London team. Perhaps Nate can be more than a 3C LOL. I’m not saying they should draft the kid I’m just saying it’s pretty stupid calling him a “3C”
- CanuckDon


Besides if he is training with Hank Sedin he will become a 2.5 center in no time at all.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 6:17 PM ET
Besides if he is training with Hank Sedin he will become a 2.5 center in no time at all.
- VANTEL

He will learn to get all that unsportsmanlike grit out of his game in no time
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jun 12 @ 7:28 PM ET
Nate Danielson is bigger and faster than Bo with a more well rounded game in their draft years. Nate led his team in scoring with 76 points in 63 games while Bo managed 61 points in 67 games on a stacked London team. Perhaps Nate can be more than a 3C LOL. I’m not saying they should draft the kid I’m just saying it’s pretty stupid calling him a “3C”
- CanuckDon


It's what he's projected as, not what he'll eventually be, I tend to agree with whichever poster said that in the first round pick the player that has the highest ceiling and do your best to develop them to that level rather than pick the one with the highest floor because generally those players are the "bottom/middle 6, middle pair/bottom pair" type players. If you don't have a top 5 (top 10 in a deep draft like this one) pick, swing for the f-ing fences, that's how you get the Erickson-Ek's, Mason Marchment, and Pasternak's of the world.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 7:33 PM ET
It's what he's projected as, not what he'll eventually be, I tend to agree with whichever poster said that in the first round pick the player that has the highest ceiling and do your best to develop them to that level rather than pick the one with the highest floor because generally those players are the "bottom/middle 6, middle pair/bottom pair" type players. If you don't have a top 5 (top 10 in a deep draft like this one) pick, swing for the f-ing fences, that's how you get the Erickson-Ek's, Mason Marchment, and Pasternak's of the world.
- DariusKnight

“BPA” always means small undersized winger or dman as those are the players that drop come draft day. It’s why Benson will be there at 11. If we keep drafting small, skilled wingers we won’t have much balance.

Also, all things being relatively equal, a prospect that has some size and plays a premium position will inevitably be a more valuable asset. For me it’s either a defensmen with size this draft or a center. If they are high on Wood that would likely be the only winger that I’d be ok with given his ceiling is massive if he hits
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 12 @ 7:35 PM ET
He will learn to get all that unsportsmanlike grit out of his game in no time
- CanuckDon

Centers or defense, build with that!! I know Eichel is a great player, and a second overall pick, but Vegas has largely been successful without an elite type of center. Depth is key, the Canucks need more of it.

I don’t know anything about these kids, fleeting information, but the Canucks have an elite center, they need people who can defend and defense.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 7:38 PM ET
Centers or defense, build with that!! I know Eichel is a great player, and a second overall pick, but Vegas has largely been successful without an elite type of center. Depth is key, the Canucks need more of it.

I don’t know anything about these kids, fleeting information, but the Canucks have an elite center, they need people who can defend and defense.

- LeftCoaster

Absolutely, no more wingers high in the draft 🤬
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 7:42 PM ET
“BPA” always means small undersized winger or dman as those are the players that drop come draft day. It’s why Benson will be there at 11. If we keep drafting small, skilled wingers we won’t have much balance.

Also, all things being relatively equal, a prospect that has some size and plays a premium position will inevitably be a more valuable asset. For me it’s either a defensmen with size this draft or a center. If they are high on Wood that would likely be the only winger that I’d be ok with given his ceiling is massive if he hits

- CanuckDon


Hai Donald San balance is key.


Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jun 12 @ 7:46 PM ET
Nate Danielson is bigger and faster than Bo with a more well rounded game in their draft years. Nate led his team in scoring with 76 points in 63 games while Bo managed 61 points in 67 games on a stacked London team. Perhaps Nate can be more than a 3C LOL. I’m not saying they should draft the kid I’m just saying it’s pretty stupid calling him a “3C”
- CanuckDon


Thank you.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 12 @ 7:50 PM ET
But are they Swedish?

Also keep in mind what Rutherford said"They know more than you do"

- VANTEL

No they weren't. I'm sure it was just throw off interviews. 🧐🫣
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 12 @ 7:52 PM ET
Nate Danielson is bigger and faster than Bo with a more well rounded game in their draft years. Nate led his team in scoring with 76 points in 63 games while Bo managed 61 points in 67 games on a stacked London team. Perhaps Nate can be more than a 3C LOL. I’m not saying they should draft the kid I’m just saying it’s pretty stupid calling him a “3C”
- CanuckDon

So is Michael McLeod who I've heard is a very good junior comparable from what I've heard. Not too mention most just talk about how great their favorite prospect is me as well but once they are drafted and start playing, the flaws of the player that were never there seem to come out.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 12 @ 7:54 PM ET
It's what he's projected as, not what he'll eventually be, I tend to agree with whichever poster said that in the first round pick the player that has the highest ceiling and do your best to develop them to that level rather than pick the one with the highest floor because generally those players are the "bottom/middle 6, middle pair/bottom pair" type players. If you don't have a top 5 (top 10 in a deep draft like this one) pick, swing for the f-ing fences, that's how you get the Erickson-Ek's, Mason Marchment, and Pasternak's of the world.
- DariusKnight

Some don't seem to understand that everything isn't set in stone when projecting just gives a good basis. They are projected that way by from what scouts have seen mostly.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 8:06 PM ET
Some don't seem to understand that everything isn't set in stone when projecting just gives a good basis. They are projected that way by from what scouts have seen mostly.
- manvanfan

Which tiny winger are you pining for this year?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 8:38 PM ET
A 6'2 RHC who is not Swedish, projected as a 3C with a ceiling to be a 2.5C, I say what are you waiting for.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 8:44 PM ET
A 6'2 RHC who is not Swedish, projected as a 3C with a ceiling to be a 2.5C, I say what are you waiting for.
- VANTEL

His ceiling is a 1 C 😵‍💫🤷‍♂️. Would be nice to draft a Canadian once
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 8:48 PM ET
His ceiling is a 1 C 😵‍💫🤷‍♂️. Would be nice to draft a Canadian once
- CanuckDon


I know nothing about the prospects TBH, I am just here for the cheap beer and Trannys.


If I am serious I am looking forward to see what they do whether they do it by trade or draft. The real season starts in a few days.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Jun 12 @ 8:54 PM ET
Soooooo....whud I miss? Busy day at the office!!!
- LeftCoaster


Beat it Jackass.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jun 12 @ 9:00 PM ET
His ceiling is a 1 C 😵‍💫🤷‍♂️. Would be nice to draft a Canadian once
- CanuckDon

I’ve read high-end 2C and top out at a 1C. Projections are wide and varied though. There are so many factors that play into how good a 17 year old kid will become at the NHL level. Unless you’re extremely talented, your talent level is only a part of that because there’s a lot of people who are very good hockey players but they don’t fit into a certain situation. Look at William Karlsson on Vegas, 23/24 year old with a career high 9 goals, gets picked by Vegas and is given a role way over and above what he’s ever been given and he scores 43 goals. He might win the Conn Smythe this year.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 9:11 PM ET
I know nothing about the prospects TBH, I am just here for the cheap beer and Trannys.


If I am serious I am looking forward to see what they do whether they do it by trade or draft. The real season starts in a few days.

- VANTEL

I always find the draft and early free agent season the highlight of the year. Guess that’s because I’m a Canucks fan and there is only pain from October to may 🤷‍♂️
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 12 @ 9:12 PM ET
I always find the draft and early free agent season the highlight of the year. Guess that’s because I’m a Canucks fan and there is only pain from October to may 🤷‍♂️
- CanuckDon


Hope is all we have
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 9:14 PM ET
I’ve read high-end 2C and top out at a 1C. Projections are wide and varied though. There are so many factors that play into how good a 17 year old kid will become at the NHL level. Unless you’re extremely talented, your talent level is only a part of that because there’s a lot of people who are very good hockey players but they don’t fit into a certain situation. Look at William Karlsson on Vegas, 23/24 year old with a career high 9 goals, gets picked by Vegas and is given a role way over and above what he’s ever been given and he scores 43 goals. He might win the Conn Smythe this year.
- LeftCoaster

💯. Who the (frank) knows how a 17 year old will progress into their 20’s. It’s half talent/ natural tools and the rest is desire. Obviously opportunity, professional development and a bit of luck are also factors
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jun 12 @ 9:14 PM ET
Hope is all we have

- VANTEL

I’m pretty sure they also took hope away from us
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