Laugh all you want, but if that's the price to not be last in the league, so be it!
- NewYorkNuck

Umm....not so fast!! Are they really that much different? They both achieved nothing, the Canucks had 101 wins over that timeframe, the Coyotes 77. This is the exact thought process, your thought process, that leads the Canucks to 53 years of nothing. They are only living for the moment and have a very bleak future, the Coyotes however, were only five spots apart from where the Canucks are and they have an amazing future. Or at least the potential of.

2021 - Canucks had 50 points or 8th last, the Coyotes 54 or 10th last.
2022 - Canucks had 92 points or 15th last, the Coyotes 57 or 2nd last.
2023 - Canucks had 83 points or 11th last, the Coyotes 70 points or 6th last.

And shakes up all of the "experts" predictions. If they stay at 11 I'll imagine a so called higher ranking player will fall to them.
- VanHockeyGuy

Always happens & won’t be surprised but then our pick might surprise us lol

My goodness, the Coyotes have two first round picks, #6 and #12, one second round pick and FOUR third round picks. Since they brought Bill Armstrong on as GM to perform a rebuild in the summer of 2020 they've had, including the upcoming 2023 draft, six first round picks in three consecutive years (2021-2022-2023), six second round picks and six third round picks.

That's eighteen picks in first three rounds in three years. That's an incredible amount of potential talent and depth for their organization. Wherever they end up moving to. Including the 2023 draft the Canucks will have had SIX picks in the first three rounds of 2021-2022-2023.
- LeftCoaster

That is incredible but face keeping players & prospects wanting to stay is the bigger story lol

Umm....not so fast!! Are they really that much different? They both achieved nothing, the Canucks had 101 wins over that timeframe, the Coyotes 77. This is the exact thought process, your thought process, that leads the Canucks to 53 years of nothing. They are only living for the moment and have a very bleak future, the Coyotes however, were only five spots apart from where the Canucks are and they have an amazing future. Or at least the potential of.

2021 - Canucks had 50 points or 8th last, the Coyotes 54 or 10th last.
2022 - Canucks had 92 points or 15th last, the Coyotes 57 or 2nd last.
2023 - Canucks had 83 points or 11th last, the Coyotes 70 points or 6th last.
- LeftCoaster

Can you do the numbers on how great the team is over the final 30 games of the season, over the past 5 years?

It appears that fans still get sucked in by these lost season finishes.

As per my post above, I think the Canucks new management has an excellent opportunity here to get out of the cycle they've been on, they can be competitive AND utilize the draft and have a bright future. Something that was lost during the Benning era. Hypothetical here but if the Canucks move back they can have a 1st, 2nd and two 3rd round picks here to go along with three 4th round picks. That to me is a big step in the right direction and it's been a LONG time since they've had that kind of draft equity in one draft.

The trading of Bowie Horvat was a massive, although understated, step in the right direction for the Vancouver Canucks franchise. How long has it been since they traded a young valuable pending UFA for a good return? 2014? They got a middling prospect in Raty, a decent LW in Beauvillier and flipped the first round pick for a young offensive right shot dman. If they can move back and acquire more picks, or draft a really good young player, I think we are moving in the right direction here.

The downside is they completely messed up with Boeser's contract and they thought the team was better than it actually was with the "Bruce There It Is" bump. The 2023 draft is going to be an exciting, or disappointing, time in their history!!

Can you do the numbers on how great the team is over the final 30 games of the season, over the past 5 years?

It appears that fans still get sucked in by these lost season finishes.
- Reubenkincade

I know you're being facetious, however, I personally think the organization can mitigate the difference between finishing 6-8th last and 11th last with those finishes. Not to mention, they just had a coaching change and they're trying to instill a culture shift within the dressing room.

But yes, I understand the false notion that we had a strong meaningless finish so I'm just thankful we aren't as bad as the Coyotes....what a bunch of crap!!!!

You know, not once in the Canucks 53 year history have they ever had multiple first and second round picks in the same draft, NOT ONCE!!

I know you're being facetious, however, I personally think the organization can mitigate the difference between finishing 6-8th last and 11th last with those finishes. Not to mention, they just had a coaching change and they're trying to instill a culture shift within the dressing room.

But yes, I understand the false notion that we had a strong meaningless finish so I'm just thankful we aren't as bad as the Coyotes....what a bunch of crap!!!!
- LeftCoaster

In all fairness to NYN, he did put the winky face in, so I think that excuses him.

Unlike many, I am expecting the Canucks to draft skilled midgets this year, with a couple bigger players late in draft

Umm....not so fast!! Are they really that much different? They both achieved nothing, the Canucks had 101 wins over that timeframe, the Coyotes 77. This is the exact thought process, your thought process, that leads the Canucks to 53 years of nothing. They are only living for the moment and have a very bleak future, the Coyotes however, were only five spots apart from where the Canucks are and they have an amazing future. Or at least the potential of.

2021 - Canucks had 50 points or 8th last, the Coyotes 54 or 10th last.
2022 - Canucks had 92 points or 15th last, the Coyotes 57 or 2nd last.
2023 - Canucks had 83 points or 11th last, the Coyotes 70 points or 6th last.
- LeftCoaster

I know you're being facetious
- LeftCoaster

Clearly you can't tell when everyone is being facetious, I even put the winky face in for you

You know, not once in the Canucks 53 year history have they ever had multiple first and second round picks in the same draft, NOT ONCE!!
- LeftCoaster

Draft picks are overrated, just look at Vegas, never-mind the fact that they used many picks to acquire most of their good players

Clearly you can't tell when everyone is being facetious, I even put the winky face in for you
- NewYorkNuck

Lefty isn't very smart.

In all fairness to NYN, he did put the wimpy face in, so I think that excuses him.

Unlike many, I am expecting the Canucks to draft skilled midgets this year, with a couple bigger players late in draft
- Reubenkincade

I could be totally off-base here, and I have no concrete evidence, however, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised when this management groups drafting is evaluated in 6-8 years.

Lekkerimaki has only played just over 80 hockey games in the past three years (Covid) and he was sick with mono, which takes a long time to overcome. Give this kid three years to develop and I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised. He's only still 18 years old, turns 19 in late July, and he was a 15th overall pick, not a top five pick. Patience is the key here. Not to mention, D-Petey looks to be an NHL caliber defenseman for third round pick in the same draft. Two kids in the same draft is not a bad outcome under any circumstances!!

Clearly you can't tell when everyone is being facetious, I even put the winky face in for you
- NewYorkNuck

It's just the general sentiment "at least we aren't the Coyotes" that annoys me. I just wanted to get that off my chest as I sit in the empty office of the refinery today making shitloads of money on company time.

Draft picks are overrated, just look at Vegas, never-mind the fact that they used many picks to acquire most of their good players
- Reubenkincade

You forgot the winky face!!

As per my post above, I think the Canucks new management has an excellent opportunity here to get out of the cycle they've been on, they can be competitive AND utilize the draft and have a bright future. Something that was lost during the Benning era. Hypothetical here but if the Canucks move back they can have a 1st, 2nd and two 3rd round picks here to go along with three 4th round picks. That to me is a big step in the right direction and it's been a LONG time since they've had that kind of draft equity in one draft.

The trading of Bowie Horvat was a massive, although understated, step in the right direction for the Vancouver Canucks franchise. How long has it been since they traded a young valuable pending UFA for a good return? 2014? They got a middling prospect in Raty, a decent LW in Beauvillier and flipped the first round pick for a young offensive right shot dman. If they can move back and acquire more picks, or draft a really good young player, I think we are moving in the right direction here.

The downside is they completely messed up with Boeser's contract and they thought the team was better than it actually was with the "Bruce There It Is" bump. The 2023 draft is going to be an exciting, or disappointing, time in their history!!
- LeftCoaster

1 more big year of dealing with JB’s cap mess then this Mgmt group should really improve the team. They’ve shown so far to be willing & capable to begin unravelling the mess but still more to do. Gotta believe we are going in the right direction & patience is needed by PA & the fans to let it happen.

Can you do the numbers on how great the team is over the final 30 games of the season, over the past 5 years?

It appears that fans still get sucked in by these lost season finishes.
- Reubenkincade

Either way you spin it, VAN for the most part is a grossly underperforming team in its 53 years of existence. I'm happy for Vegas getting a cup after just 6 short years and Seattle making a statement after just 2.

I know you're being facetious, however, I personally think the organization can mitigate the difference between finishing 6-8th last and 11th last with those finishes. Not to mention, they just had a coaching change and they're trying to instill a culture shift within the dressing room.

But yes, I understand the false notion that we had a strong meaningless finish so I'm just thankful we aren't as bad as the Coyotes....what a bunch of crap!!!!
- LeftCoaster

There is no doubt the team has underachieved & also are not contention ready. Somewhere in the middle but a fresh start to next season we can reasonably expect to see tangible or more improvement.

You know, not once in the Canucks 53 year history have they ever had multiple first and second round picks in the same draft, NOT ONCE!!
- LeftCoaster

Speaks volumes of GM regimes & ownership folly for decades. Add to that every time we looked like comers or contenders it was an all in philosophy. Never worked out but we’re some amazing rides that we gotta enjoy. The past 12yrs of doldrums & stuck in the mud is all on FA then the shlt flows downhill.

Let’s hope JR/PA turn this around with intelligence & patience & shrewd decisions.

In all fairness to NYN, he did put the winky face in, so I think that excuses him.

Unlike many, I am expecting the Canucks to draft skilled midgets this year, with a couple bigger players late in draft
- Reubenkincade

I’ll say midgets later than sooner if at all. Mini can you put these in your journal please? lol

Draft picks are overrated, just look at Vegas, never-mind the fact that they used many picks to acquire most of their good players
- Reubenkincade

They are capital in one form or another depending how they are used. In our case poorly but jury is out on Hronek. I’m bullish on him.

Lefty isn't very smart.
- Reubenkincade

Well imo everyone in here is tied for 2nd smartest with nobody in 1st. Aka all dead last heat 🤪

I could be totally off-base here, and I have no concrete evidence, however, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised when this management groups drafting is evaluated in 6-8 years.

Lekkerimaki has only played just over 80 hockey games in the past three years (Covid) and he was sick with mono, which takes a long time to overcome. Give this kid three years to develop and I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised. He's only still 18 years old, turns 19 in late July, and he was a 15th overall pick, not a top five pick. Patience is the key here. Not to mention, D-Petey looks to be an NHL caliber defenseman for third round pick in the same draft. Two kids in the same draft is not a bad outcome under any circumstances!!
- LeftCoaster

In other words their 1st draft is better than given credit for. 👍

This draft will further impress you & I once completed 👍👍

Draft picks are overrated, just look at Vegas, never-mind the fact that they used many picks to acquire most of their good players
- Reubenkincade

My second quote on this post as I sit researching hockey; the draft is everything, just everything!! Now, there are factors like the current expansion teams but those are for a few select teams, and the Canucks aren't one of them.

Do you know, the collective you, the Canucks have only had a first round pick and more than one second round pick in the same draft FOUR times in their 53 year history. Did it make a huge difference, no, but each time they found a serviceable player with one of those second round picks. Why can't they learn from this....WHY???

1992 - (1-2-2) Michael Peca 40th overall, second round pick.
1994 - (1-2-2) Dave Scatchard 42nd overall, second round pick.
1997 - (1-2-2) Harold Druken 36th overall, second round pick.
2017 - (1-2-2) Lind & Gadjovich 33rd & 55th overall, second round picks.

My second quote on this post as I sit researching hockey; the draft is everything, just everything!! Now, there are factors like the current expansion teams that but those are for a few select teams, and the Canucks aren't one of them.

Do you know, the collective you, the Canucks have only had a first round pick and more than one second round pick FOUR times in their 53 year history. Did it make a huge difference, no, but each time they found a serviceable player with one of those second round picks. Why can't they learn from this....WHY???

1992 - (1-2-2) Michael Peca 40th overall, second round pick.
1994 - (1-2-2) Dave Scatchard 42nd overall, second round pick.
1997 - (1-2-2) Harold Druken 36th overall, second round pick.
2017 - (1-2-2) Lind & Gadjovich 33rd & 55th overall, second round picks.
- LeftCoaster

I look forward to the Tsunami of tears on draft day.

I look forward to the Tsunami of tears on draft day.
- VanHockeyGuy

They need to acquire a second round pick and still manage to draft a good defenseman or center in the first round. I look forward to the 28th.