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May 23 @ 1:23 PM ET
Or the threat of the Flyers trading the pick to another team that really wants Michkov. I believe that would be the primary motivating factor for the Caps to make a deal to move up 1 spot. - Big_E_88
Would the Flyers really be willing to move back any further than #8 tho? I don't think WSH would really believe that either.
Agreed! I'm taking Michkov if he is there at 7. - Flybynight88
I’ve been cautious about him given the state of things around the world, oh and the kids father was apparently murdered, and Fedatov was forced to stay in Russia, but at this point why not just swing for the fences and land a potential superstar. Who knows, maybe he sneaks out early like the old Soviet Bloc defectors.
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May 23 @ 1:32 PM ET
I doubt he drops that far either. And if he does, the Flyers would probably pass on him too. They just don't have the organizational gumption to take that kind of swing.
We're talking about the same team that was heard laughing at the next table over when Calgary took Theo Fleury in the 8th-round. - Tomahawk
You just knew the wrist injury he had in Vegas would hurt his Achilles in Carolina. - Feanor
Pacioretty has a pretty extensive injury history. He's alot like Ellis in that regard, the only saving grace being he had one year remaining on his deal.
Just taking his last season with them into account, he was injured the 2nd game of the season, missed 17 games with a "lower body injury". From late December to late Janurary he was out with a wrist injury. This injury required mid-season surgery which caused him to miss 10 games. In late February and early March, he missed four with another lower-body injury, and finally in mid-March and early April he missed 12 with an undisclosed injury....Then, within a 4 month span, he tears his right Achilles twice. First in off season training, then again 5 games into the season with the Canes.
That's barely 1 calendar year....There's a reason Vegas gave him away for nothing, same as Nashville essentially giving away Ellis. The injury history for them was very predictable.
I’ve been cautious about him given the state of things around the world, oh and the kids father was apparently murdered, and Fedatov was forced to stay in Russia, but at this point why not just swing for the fences and land a potential superstar. Who knows, maybe he sneaks out early like the old Soviet Bloc defectors. - mikeyo27
If he can escape at least he won't have to worry about being extradited! We just have to get him and his family out of there.... what's to worry?
correct I am not up to date on if they have any high level prospects, just using the Russian connection is all - hello it's me 2050
Understood. But I agree. If he makes it to 8 Washington will draft him and Ovie will pull some strings and have him over here very soon, at which point he will torture this franchise for at least a decade
Would the Flyers really be willing to move back any further than #8 tho? I don't think WSH would really believe that either. - Tomahawk
No idea if they would be, but I absolutely think they should be open to moving back further than 8. Isn't this supposed to be the deepest draft in years? Aren't the top two RHD projected for the 10-14 range? It would obviously all depend on the return to determine how far back they should be willing to move. Without knowing what returns are being offered, it's impossible for me to say how far back I'd go. Just saying, I think they should at least be open to hearing & considering offers.
For the record, I don't follow hockey draft prospects very closely. Certainly not as closely as you do. So there really isn't a particular player that I would target if they moved back. I read & rely on comments from you and others on here for insights on the prospects.
Pacioretty has a pretty extensive injury history. He's alot like Ellis in that regard, the only saving grace being he had one year remaining on his deal.
Just taking his last season with them into account, he was injured the 2nd game of the season, missed 17 games with a "lower body injury". From late December to late Janurary he was out with a wrist injury. This injury required mid-season surgery which caused him to miss 10 games. In late February and early March, he missed four with another lower-body injury, and finally in mid-March and early April he missed 12 with an undisclosed injury....Then, within a 4 month span, he tears his right Achilles twice. First in off season training, then again 5 games into the season with the Canes.
That's barely 1 calendar year....There's a reason Vegas gave him away for nothing, same as Nashville essentially giving away Ellis. The injury history for them was very predictable. - Flyerfan2868
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May 23 @ 2:17 PM ET
No idea if they would be, but I absolutely think they should be open to moving back further than 8. Isn't this supposed to be the deepest draft in years? Aren't the top two RHD projected for the 10-14 range? It would obviously all depend on the return to determine how far back they should be willing to move. Without knowing what returns are being offered, it's impossible for me to say how far back I'd go. Just saying, I think they should at least be open to hearing & considering offers.
For the record, I don't follow hockey draft prospects very closely. Certainly not as closely as you do. So there really isn't a particular player that I would target if they moved back. I read & rely on comments from you and others on here for insights on the prospects. - Big_E_88
It's deep-ish, but the probability of your pick turning into a top-line/top-pair quality player still nosedives after picks #5-8.
The highest probability play is just to take Michkov and pray everything turns out OK, versus rolling the dice on (much) longer odds at multiple later picks.
It's deep-ish, but the probability of your pick turning into a top-line/top-pair quality player still nosedives after picks #5-8.
The highest probability play is just to take Michkov and pray everything turns out OK, versus rolling the dice on (much) longer odds at multiple later picks. - Tomahawk
You have 2 guys with virtual zero experience running a draft. You have a coach who is power hungry. What could go wrong......
The scary thought is "jones" and danny are going to have many people in their ears who have their own agenda.
Most believe they will take the most safest pick possible.
I’ve been cautious about him given the state of things around the world, oh and the kids father was apparently murdered, and Fedatov was forced to stay in Russia, but at this point why not just swing for the fences and land a potential superstar. Who knows, maybe he sneaks out early like the old Soviet Bloc defectors. - mikeyo27
I'm swinging for the fences too. I figure if the state of things with Russia is still bad in 3 years when Michkov can come over we have bigger problems than hockey.
Pacioretty has a pretty extensive injury history. He's alot like Ellis in that regard, the only saving grace being he had one year remaining on his deal.
Just taking his last season with them into account, he was injured the 2nd game of the season, missed 17 games with a "lower body injury". From late December to late Janurary he was out with a wrist injury. This injury required mid-season surgery which caused him to miss 10 games. In late February and early March, he missed four with another lower-body injury, and finally in mid-March and early April he missed 12 with an undisclosed injury....Then, within a 4 month span, he tears his right Achilles twice. First in off season training, then again 5 games into the season with the Canes.
That's barely 1 calendar year....There's a reason Vegas gave him away for nothing, same as Nashville essentially giving away Ellis. The injury history for them was very predictable. - Flyerfan2868
A lot of that is accurate but there is a huge difference between taking on a player with one year left on his deal like Pacioretty had versus the 6 years that Ellis still had left. Carolina took a gamble that they could get a year out of him. I think it was a smart play.
I just feel like there’s plenty to criticize about the job CF did here Don’t need to go accusing him of not getting into college on merit. I feel like being the GM of the Atlanta Flames in 1986 wouldn’t be all that impressive.
I don’t know anything about Harvard’s woman’s team. I dont subscribe to the Athletic. I’ve been thinking maybe I need to tho. - Dkos
I was really making a neutral conjecture. Not pejorative, though perhaps there was implicit bias. It had nothing to do with CF's track record as GM. Even if he was wildly successful, assuming he had the same public persona and the same dad, I would have made it, I hope. He has that legacy air about him.
In any event, you don't have to be yourself a mover and shaker to get a leg up in admissions. The line of speculation runs this way: Canada Cup GM, hockey luminary, good schmoozer. Connects with a cliquish network of ex Harvard hockey players, many of whom are themselves now immensely successful.
Some well connected alumni make some calls to Harvard. In the admission profile, the interest of alumni are noted and weighed in. Needs to have the basic grades, but beyond that, admissions are very subjective and in those days, was even more so.
Briere doesn’t even have a college degree. Calling him analytical is a farce. Guy probably never even stepped foot in a basic stats class lol. - hereticpride
I am not sure he needs to have a college degree. He should:
1. Hire bright people who are aware of the cutting edge in analytics
2. Make sure there is a good pipeline between those people and those who can translate their analysis/insight/findings into his language to make their points convincingly.
3. Listen/Learn with an open mind.
1 and 2 could be the same set of people. Many of the best trained (Tulsky, Ventura are clearly straddling the numbers/hockey/business side of things).
But if you begin to think of analytics as an indulgence, hire mediocre people, and then treat them as an afterthought, then...
Thoughts on this...
If Michkov is available at 7 (probably will not be) how about a trade with Arizona for the 12th pick and the Coyotes second round pick?
Would either team be on board?
I am not sure he needs to have a college degree. He should:
1. Hire bright people who are aware of the cutting edge in analytics
2. Make sure there is a good pipeline between those people and those who can translate their analysis/insight/findings into his language to make their points convincingly.
3. Listen/Learn with an open mind.
1 and 2 could be the same set of people. Many of the best trained (Tulsky, Ventura are clearly straddling the numbers/hockey/business side of things).
But if you begin to think of analytics as an indulgence, hire mediocre people, and then treat them as an afterthought, then... - PT21
Then you need a bridge to the head coach to explain why some things need to change and that needs to be capable of strategically making those changes in his systems and strategies. I have serious doubts if the Flyers have that coach.
Then you need a bridge to the head coach to explain why some things need to change and that needs to be capable of strategically making those changes in his systems and strategies. I have serious doubts if the Flyers have that coach. - MJL
