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The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

May 20 @ 10:06 AM ET
Mirtle also 'drops' the idea of Doug Armstrong (Blues GM) being a possible candidate. I think he and shanny are tight.

In the context of the previous quote above ....makes you wonder if Shanny pushed for the RoR/Acciari deal with the Blues .....total ass blowing on my part but maybe.

Either way - if they've been controlling his moves I'm shocked he wanted back.
Buck Norris
Joined: 07.03.2018

May 20 @ 10:07 AM ET
JT isn't going anywhere, however, might be a possibility that the C goes to a different player in the near future.
- winsix
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So who will be C then... Rielly?.... Cuz I don't see Matthews being here by next year and half you douche nozzles would have an aneurysm if it was Marner....
Leaffrog
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.30.2018

May 20 @ 10:11 AM ET
I think the shock of going from yes to no makes everyone want to believe it's a full 180.

The choice was never easy and there was lots of water under the bridge that played into the ultimate decision.

From Mirtle this morning (and I'd suggest we all wait for more intel to surface before going absolute in our opinions of what happened) ..

On Friday, more details emerged on that front. Multiple sources close to the team said that Shanahan had blocked transactions that Dubas wanted to make at key points in the past several seasons, creating frustration in parts of the management group. Shanahan had also at times dictated certain moves he wanted made that Dubas didn’t agree with.

If that's true ....I'm kind of shocked that either party was interested in moving forward together. They didn't trust him completely and he couldn't have wanted that.

- The Law


If this is true, the next GM needs to have full autonomy or Shanahan has to go! Plain and simple.

You can't have a GM get blame or praise if they aren't running the show.

If Shanahan gets to approve, block or even orchestrate trades, he should be GM.
JLO961
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 01.16.2013

May 20 @ 10:14 AM ET
Now let's see change:

Matthews
Boston 1st
Robertson for McDavid

- Aaron_85


LMFAO!!!
I seem to remember the Matthews>McDavid arguments from Queefs Nation.

The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

May 20 @ 10:14 AM ET
If this is true, the next GM needs to have full autonomy or Shanahan has to go! Plain and simple.

You can't have a GM get blame or praise if they aren't running the show.

If Shanahan gets to approve, block or even orchestrate trades, he should be GM.

- Leaffrog


I expect that any new GM would get that - and frankly the board probably would prefer that. I'd even guess that was a part of KD's new offer (the idea that by the trade deadline he had shown enough that they were willing to turn over the keys).

His current deal was signed when he was 32 ...so not surprising that it was probably a little different and included some "controls". Guys with grey hair on their nutsacks won't go for that ..and the board probably wouldn't require it.
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

May 20 @ 10:19 AM ET
I think the shock of going from yes to no makes everyone want to believe it's a full 180.

The choice was never easy and there was lots of water under the bridge that played into the ultimate decision.

From Mirtle this morning (and I'd suggest we all wait for more intel to surface before going absolute in our opinions of what happened) ..

On Friday, more details emerged on that front. Multiple sources close to the team said that Shanahan had blocked transactions that Dubas wanted to make at key points in the past several seasons, creating frustration in parts of the management group. Shanahan had also at times dictated certain moves he wanted made that Dubas didn’t agree with.If that's true ....I'm kind of shocked that either party was interested in moving forward together. They didn't trust him completely and he couldn't have wanted that.

- The Law


There would have been disagreements for sure and that should be no surprise. This isn't a ma and pa organization. There is a board that Shanahan reports to. They were obviously seething when Dubas did his presser and while Shanahan will get the blame, it was not his decision alone. Woll's performance at the end of the season and Samsonov gives the Leafs a window of opportunity.


JLO961
Edmonton Oilers
Location: MTL, QC
Joined: 01.16.2013

May 20 @ 10:22 AM ET
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, and I'm really not trying to troll, poke, etc. but if Shanahan can steal his best friend's girl...being a hard ass and abruptly sacking Dubas isn't beneath him at all. I don't think he gives a fk at all, he's a pretty selfish dude.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

May 20 @ 10:22 AM ET
I've heard Mike Futa on the radio enough to know I wan't nothing to do with that cloooown. Not good enough.



winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

May 20 @ 10:22 AM ET
LMFAO!!!
I seem to remember the Matthews>McDavid arguments from Queefs Nation.

- JLO961


LMAO - can't wait to see another season of goaltending pain in Edmonton. Maybe Holland can trade Draisaitl for the 12th best goalie in the NHL get a team to accept that beauty Campbell contract.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

May 20 @ 10:27 AM ET
I think the shock of going from yes to no makes everyone want to believe it's a full 180.

The choice was never easy and there was lots of water under the bridge that played into the ultimate decision.

From Mirtle this morning (and I'd suggest we all wait for more intel to surface before going absolute in our opinions of what happened) ..

On Friday, more details emerged on that front. Multiple sources close to the team said that Shanahan had blocked transactions that Dubas wanted to make at key points in the past several seasons, creating frustration in parts of the management group. Shanahan had also at times dictated certain moves he wanted made that Dubas didn’t agree with.

If that's true ....I'm kind of shocked that either party was interested in moving forward together. They didn't trust him completely and he couldn't have wanted that.

- The Law


If that's true then it's similar to the Jays and AA. AA wanted president or autonomy or something (essentially more power) and was denied. He left and won with Atlanta.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

May 20 @ 10:31 AM ET
LMFAO!!!
I seem to remember the Matthews>McDavid arguments from Queefs Nation.

- JLO961


Its change for the sake of change and I doubt edmonton does it straight up.
Buck Norris
Joined: 07.03.2018

May 20 @ 10:32 AM ET
LMFAO!!!
I seem to remember the Matthews>McDavid arguments from Queefs Nation.

- JLO961


I wouldn't be throwing stuff in peoples faces if I were you cuz its pretty much gonna bite you in the ass in three years, if you catch my drift...
winsix
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

May 20 @ 10:32 AM ET
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, and I'm really not trying to troll, poke, etc. but if Shanahan can steal his best friend's girl...being a hard ass and abruptly sacking Dubas isn't beneath him at all. I don't think he gives a fk at all, he's a pretty selfish dude.
- JLO961


When someone starts with
I'm really not trying to troll,


they are a dirty stinking troll for sure. I know you are butt hurt that Matthews won major hardware in 21-22 (well deserved) and it continues to eat you alive. Take comfort knowing that there is no certainty that the Leafs will be able to re-sign Matthews - an exceptional elite talent. Just like there is no certainty that McDavid will re-sign with the Oilers and the clown pretending to be a competent GM there. Maybe the owner can hire one of the former drunks like McTavish for advise.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

May 20 @ 10:33 AM ET
It's like a divorce ....needed to happen ...sadness and anger initially ...but utlimately you clean yourself up ...buy some new swag and a new sports car ...bag some young hotties that we thought were out of reach and end up much happier in the end.

I think we steal Doug Armstrong from the Blues.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

May 20 @ 10:34 AM ET
You're very wrong about a lot of this, but as is usually the case you're saying it like it's factual. Any senior manager has a responsibility to ensure the timing of your decision making is not a detriment to the organization.

Be assured, your most critical assets needing to be extended, traded, or sat on until you lose them for nothing... being in the hands of assistants or someone who's been on the job for days IS a detriment to the organization. A big one.

It would be akin to westjet having decided to fire an executive VP 3 weeks ago and going nah, I decided in my sleep this was the right thing and I'm confident the rest will figure itself out.

It doesn't (frank)ing happen, and it shouldn't be hard to understand why.

For the record, I am in a senior management position for a company that employs 1600 people.

- joel878


I need a new job


Aside from that, your initial feelings are valid and it is certainly concerning. Could MLSE navigate this successfully? Only time will tell, (12 to 24 months). Even if they are successful, did they need to add additional BS to things? No.

I feel like they could have easily done this last week or even tuesday and noone would care as much.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 20 @ 10:37 AM ET
You're very wrong about a lot of this, but as is usually the case you're saying it like it's factual. Any senior manager has a responsibility to ensure the timing of your decision making is not a detriment to the organization.

Be assured, your most critical assets needing to be extended, traded, or sat on until you lose them for nothing... being in the hands of assistants or someone who's been on the job for days IS a detriment to the organization. A big one.

It would be akin to westjet having decided to fire an executive VP 3 weeks ago and going nah, I decided in my sleep this was the right thing and I'm confident the rest will figure itself out.

It doesn't (frank)ing happen, and it shouldn't be hard to understand why.

For the record, I am in a senior management position for a company that employs 1600 people.

- joel878


Kyle is the one who balked at the deal he was offered and then aired his laundry in public. He tried brinkmanship and MLSE said NOPE. He massively overplayed his hand and this is on him.
Buck Norris
Joined: 07.03.2018

May 20 @ 10:42 AM ET
It's like a divorce ....needed to happen ...sadness and anger initially ...but utlimately you clean yourself up ...buy some new swag and a new sports car ...bag some young hotties that we thought were out of reach and end up much happier in the end.

I think we steal Doug Armstrong from the Blues.

- The Law


I'm kinda on the Pridham bandwagon myself but in me saying that, its pretty much given that he will be gone...
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

May 20 @ 10:57 AM ET

- winsix

Buck Norris
Joined: 07.03.2018

May 20 @ 11:01 AM ET
Kyle is the one who balked at the deal he was offered and then aired his laundry in public. He tried brinkmanship and MLSE said NOPE. He massively overplayed his hand and this is on him.
- fifty__missions


I take it more like Dubas didnt want to be brow beated any more and wore his heart on his sleeve and Shanahan is a contol freak douche. But each person has there own opinions...
GalacticStone
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We shoulda let Uncle Billy finish the job.
Joined: 01.29.2013

May 20 @ 11:03 AM ET
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So who will be C then... Rielly?.... Cuz I don't see Matthews being here by next year and half you douche nozzles would have an aneurysm if it was Marner....

- Buck Norris

You make someone earn that C first.

Or, if you must, you put it on Rielly. For all his warts, he was one of the Leafs best players this postseason and the guy bleeds blue.

Big23Questions
Detroit Red Wings
Location: My Lovers call me Small23
Joined: 04.11.2018

May 20 @ 11:04 AM ET
LMFAO!!!
I seem to remember the Matthews>McDavid arguments from Queefs Nation.

- JLO961



Well he’s a better all round player than McDavid. He’s a much much better defensive player in all 3 zones (responsibility wise).

Talent - McDavid is a much more talented player. Maybe the most talented all time with all respect to 99 - Wayne didn’t move like that guy
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 20 @ 11:06 AM ET
I take it more like Dubas didnt want to be brow beated any more and wore his heart on his sleeve and Shanahan is a contol freak douche. But each person has there own opinions...

- Buck Norris

If that's the case, Kyle is exactly like a lot of his players - too soft for the job.
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

May 20 @ 11:13 AM ET
Kyle is the one who balked at the deal he was offered and then aired his laundry in public. He tried brinkmanship and MLSE said NOPE. He massively overplayed his hand and this is on him.
- fifty__missions


There is zero sense in engaging me, you bend everything to fit your narrative and then act like a total female genitalia about it.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Who Owzzzzz da' Chiefs?, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

May 20 @ 11:16 AM ET
If that's the case, Kyle is exactly like a lot of his players - too soft for the job.
- fifty__missions

So someone who doesn’t wanna work for a douche bag boss who won’t let him do his job and instead tries to micromanage is too soft?

If anyone is soft is Shanahan. Any senior management person who feels the need to go and put all the dirty laundry out there, including a blow by blow account (a one sided account) is weak and in a job that is clearly over their head.

I know you like to call anyone a Dubas wife to do this who disagrees with how things went and that’s fine but the reality is Shanahan has been here for a decade and he’s on his third GM and will be on his third coach in the not too distant future.

That alone screams I don’t know what the (frank) I’m doing.

All Shanahan had to do was go and say a mutual decision was made, and let both MLS & Dubas save some face. His unwillingness to that in my opinion have him coming off, looking like a douche now and an egomaniac who got angry because Dubas dared to counter offer.

People who put that much detail into their story are generally lying in my experience. There was no need for him to get to that level of detail he controls the narrative 100%.

Now that Dubas is gone will you shift your focus to Shanahan and the incompetence he has shown for a decade?

As far as anyone who’s happy that Shanahan “had the stones” to make this move I think you need to take a step back and look at what he did. He essentially took the human shield known as Kyle Dubas, and put it in front of himself. Regardless of it you thought Dubas was good to be the next GM or not is a bit irrelevant now as Shanahan now the only common factor in a decade of one playoff round win.

50 I look forward to reading you constantly rant about a decade of poor performance bs the usual 7 years until Shanny gets fired.

fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 20 @ 11:17 AM ET
There is zero sense in engaging me, you bend everything to fit your narrative and then act like a total female genitalia about it.
- joel878

It really sucks for you when the facts don't work your way. You get really female dogy.
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