Kevin Papetti
@KPapetti
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Interesting that Dubas is represented by Chris Armstrong of Wasserman.

Also a Wasserman client: Auston Matthews

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Oh good.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Matthews is a bum. Can't win with that type of talent.

Sounds like the same things I heard about Ovechkin and even ROR

Now let's see change:

Matthews
Boston 1st
Robertson for McDavid

I’m not sure which is a bigger poop show.

This place today or MLSE.

Wow, quite the start to a long weekend.

Drink up!

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Considering that MLSE has been a squeaky clean org for reputations I don't see JQ getting a job here. Besides he has to be reinstated to the NHL first so I don't know why people put him on a list of coaches until that happens
- Aaron_85

Do not care. His superiors were more culpable than he was. He quit. He paid a price. He spent time away. He deserves a second chance. He won't make the same mistake again because it will be impossible to allow it to ever happen again. He will be reinstated by Bettman after the playoffs are over, the meeting is already set and the parameters will be put in place. The only reason MLSE pretends to give a poop is because they're terrified of the disproportionately loud yet tiny amount of people on Twitter who will scream about giving a person a second chance. This woke social justice persecution bullpoop has to stop. At the end of the day, if MLSE wins a Cup, all is forgotten and forgiven for rightfully giving a person a second chance when the cash comes rolling in. He's the most qualified candidate. Hire him. End of story.

Very sad news. Now we bounce back to the Ballard dàys. Hope I am wrong.
- 5Hole Mgee

You clearly dont know what the Ballard days were if you think this is bouncing back to them

Anyone in a senior manager position who is capable of changing their mind on a whim, literally admitting they had made the opposite decision a few days ago, and leave an entire organization at this juncture with this many critical decisions to be made needs to be shown the door now. In any profession.
- joel878

Not true at all. I mean AT ALL.
Slow roll the drama.
Sr managers make those type of changes often.
He wanted dubas, but dubas held out for his own reasons, which is fine. But something occurred that changed shannys opinion, and based on all the facts he had...which he slept on, he changed his mind.
Happens in business a lot.
Now is it for the better?
No one knows.
Is it for the worse?
No one knows.
We will all soon find out.
Hopefully he promotes Prindham.
I liked dubas, hoping he would extend but it didnt happen.
Onto a new chapter

That is pretty crazy. Not really heard of.

If its all true this whole thing, including both pressers will go down in leaf history.
- Aaron_85

At the Dubas presser was there any Bud Lite’s?

I have more respect now for Shanny. He had the stones to do what had to do.

Perhaps Dubas' strange behaviour of late was due to a private marijuana addiction.
- Zezel

Another Dubas prediction? Didn't you learn your lesson?

At the Dubas presser was there any Bud Lite’s?

I have more respect now for Shanny. He had the stones to do what had to do.
- leafersince62

Glad to see Shanny step up to the plate. Looking forward to the new GM. Justin Bieber era is pretty much done. This team is going to be exciting. Can't wait for the changes

There isn't a single player who was on the ice at the end who had been drafted by Dubas.

At the Dubas presser was there any Bud Lite’s?

I have more respect now for Shanny. He had the stones to do what had to do.
- leafersince62

Yep. Kyle massively overplayed his hand. He confirmed what many knew about him - not much of a negotiator. His undoing was airing his laundry on Monday. You gotta believe Shanahan heard from ownership after Dubas' noncommittal performance Monday.

Yep. Kyle massively overplayed his hand. He confirmed what many knew about him - not much of a negotiator. His undoing was airing his laundry on Monday. You gotta believe Shanahan heard from ownership after Dubas' noncommittal performance Monday.
- fifty__missions

Dubas may have played his hand perfectly, and got exactly what he wanted without having to make that final, tough decision. Shabby did it for him.

I wonder if they could trick JT into taking the GM job for 11 million a year if he retires. Call it 5th-line center position or something. Let him take faceoffs during practice.
- sokosteve

All joking and posturing aside - Shanahan or whomever is managing this thing in the next couple of weeks should be asking Tavares if he'll voluntarily retire. Then return to the team on a one year deal in mid-January or whatever.

Matthews - if he genuinely wants to play here and on a winner should sign a deal without a raise. Whether he makes 11.6 or 12.6 is an immaterial difference - one less Lambo each year - and its not like 11.6 is chump change. If he really wants to "keep all these guys here" to mean something then that should be sign he's serious.

Same with Marner when the time comes.

Nylander has earned a raise.

Shanahan should handle the contracts, make Pridham the prime GM and get a raise and go get someone who does the trades.

Not to be lost in the Dubas & Spezza drama … but along with handling the big clubs issues - the new GM must also replace all the Marlies staff & perhaps even more -

6 weeks is awfully short time to get this handled -

Good luck-

Not true at all. I mean AT ALL.
Slow roll the drama.
Sr managers make those type of changes often.
He wanted dubas, but dubas held out for his own reasons, which is fine. But something occurred that changed shannys opinion, and based on all the facts he had...which he slept on, he changed his mind.
Happens in business a lot.
Now is it for the better?
No one knows.
Is it for the worse?
No one knows.
We will all soon find out.
Hopefully he promotes Prindham.
I liked dubas, hoping he would extend but it didnt happen.
Onto a new chapter
- Fakepartofme

Not to be lost in the Dubas & Spezza drama … but along with handling the big clubs issues - the new GM must also replace all the Marlies staff & perhaps even more -

6 weeks is awfully short time to get this handled -

Good luck-
- dozerD10

Do not care. His superiors were more culpable than he was. He quit. He paid a price. He spent time away. He deserves a second chance. He won't make the same mistake again because it will be impossible to allow it to ever happen again. He will be reinstated by Bettman after the playoffs are over, the meeting is already set and the parameters will be put in place. The only reason MLSE pretends to give a poop is because they're terrified of the disproportionately loud yet tiny amount of people on Twitter who will scream about giving a person a second chance. This woke social justice persecution bullpoop has to stop. At the end of the day, if MLSE wins a Cup, all is forgotten and forgiven for rightfully giving a person a second chance when the cash comes rolling in. He's the most qualified candidate. Hire him. End of story.
- Rare_Jewel

You know he literally was the first one to say "let's address this later. We made the finals and we shouldn't be distracted by this." Lol he was the one who kicked the whole thing off.

All joking and posturing aside - Shanahan or whomever is managing this thing in the next couple of weeks should be asking Tavares if he'll voluntarily retire. Then return to the team on a one year deal in mid-January or whatever.

Matthews - if he genuinely wants to play here and on a winner should sign a deal without a raise. Whether he makes 11.6 or 12.6 is an immaterial difference - one less Lambo each year - and its not like 11.6 is chump change. If he really wants to "keep all these guys here" to mean something then that should be sign he's serious.

Same with Marner when the time comes.

Nylander has earned a raise.

Shanahan should handle the contracts, make Pridham the prime GM and get a raise and go get someone who does the trades.
- BorjeFan4Ever

1. That would cap circumvention and the PA wouldn't be for it because if he retires he loses his money.

2. PA and agent wouldn't be okay with a deal that doesn't give him even a raise. Id like it though if it could be managed!

When did Brendan Shanahan start looking like an old broken down accountant or an out of work LA actor?

You know he literally was the first one to say "let's address this later. We made the finals and we shouldn't be distracted by this." Lol he was the one who kicked the whole thing off.
- Aaron_85

Everyone in the Hawks organization was culpable - (frank) them.

Leaf's #1 job is to re-sign Matthews, then on to Nylander, Acciari and possibly ROR. Goodbye to Holl, Kerfoot, Zar, Bunting. Like it or not Dubas leaves a better team than he inherited. Love the Hab thread with their glee - until they realize that they are years away from being a mediocre team. Maybe they can draft another oft injured fourth liner with the 5th pick.

1. That would cap circumvention and the PA wouldn't be for it because if he retires he loses his money.

2. PA and agent wouldn't be okay with a deal that doesn't give him even a raise. Id like it though if it could be managed!
- Aaron_85

JT isn't going anywhere, however, might be a possibility that the C goes to a different player in the near future.

You know he literally was the first one to say "let's address this later. We made the finals and we shouldn't be distracted by this." Lol he was the one who kicked the whole thing off.
- Aaron_85

So what your saying is he would even sell his mother to win the cup and this is a bad thing??...
...j/k

Not true at all. I mean AT ALL.
Slow roll the drama.
Sr managers make those type of changes often.
He wanted dubas, but dubas held out for his own reasons, which is fine. But something occurred that changed shannys opinion, and based on all the facts he had...which he slept on, he changed his mind.
Happens in business a lot.
Now is it for the better?
No one knows.
Is it for the worse?
No one knows.
We will all soon find out.
Hopefully he promotes Prindham.
I liked dubas, hoping he would extend but it didnt happen.
Onto a new chapter
- Fakepartofme

You're very wrong about a lot of this, but as is usually the case you're saying it like it's factual. Any senior manager has a responsibility to ensure the timing of your decision making is not a detriment to the organization.

Be assured, your most critical assets needing to be extended, traded, or sat on until you lose them for nothing... being in the hands of assistants or someone who's been on the job for days IS a detriment to the organization. A big one.

It would be akin to westjet having decided to fire an executive VP 3 weeks ago and going nah, I decided in my sleep this was the right thing and I'm confident the rest will figure itself out.

It doesn't (frank)ing happen, and it shouldn't be hard to understand why.

For the record, I am in a senior management position for a company that employs 1600 people.

Not true at all. I mean AT ALL.
Slow roll the drama.
Sr managers make those type of changes often.
He wanted dubas, but dubas held out for his own reasons, which is fine. But something occurred that changed shannys opinion, and based on all the facts he had...which he slept on, he changed his mind.
Happens in business a lot.
Now is it for the better?
No one knows.
Is it for the worse?
No one knows.
We will all soon find out.
Hopefully he promotes Prindham.
I liked dubas, hoping he would extend but it didnt happen.
Onto a new chapter
- Fakepartofme

I think the shock of going from yes to no makes everyone want to believe it's a full 180.

The choice was never easy and there was lots of water under the bridge that played into the ultimate decision.

From Mirtle this morning (and I'd suggest we all wait for more intel to surface before going absolute in our opinions of what happened) ..

On Friday, more details emerged on that front. Multiple sources close to the team said that Shanahan had blocked transactions that Dubas wanted to make at key points in the past several seasons, creating frustration in parts of the management group. Shanahan had also at times dictated certain moves he wanted made that Dubas didn’t agree with.

If that's true ....I'm kind of shocked that either party was interested in moving forward together. They didn't trust him completely and he couldn't have wanted that.

Im honestly surprised by the reactions here. Im nearly 50. And went from working a factory job to end up in a corporate setting. That was a culture shock for sure. But one thing is for certain, suits are franked up. Politics are a thing and its god awful to witness and/or go through. Decisions are savage at times.

Dubas signed his walking papers in his presser. You DONT go on live TV and say that sh!t. All tihs "oh, he was being real, and the toll etc", as heartless as it sounds or seems, corporate DONT care. No matter WHAT industry. I said something once even in what I thought was confidence, that literally the next day I received a tap on the shoulders with a "hey can you come here for a sec", just to be presented with walkking papers. Mind you I was new still within the probationary period, but knew EXACTLY what went down. The person whom I said what I said too, was nowhere to be seen that day, hiding to NOT see the "deed"' get done. What did I say you wonder? Lets just say sentiments similar to what Kyle was saying.

Someone said a few pages back, about Dubas being a crappy negotiator? with the core 4 and 45 million that EVERYONE talks about AND now this, Id have to agree.

He's young and this will be a life lesson for sure for him. Lets see how quick he lands on his feet. I hope for his sake, this didnt hurt his reputation.