Since KD seems to disdain most things Stan at this point, perhaps Reichel is the piece that can be packaged with 2nd round pick(s) (and perhaps take on some bad salary too) to move up to a 3rd 1st round pick or bring back a young talented player that is more in KD's wheelhouse.
- jrsamu

Both KD and Mike Doneghay have spoken very positively in recent interviews.

Not saying they wouldn't trade him, just that both talk about him as part of the future.

Because they don't want repeat winners or dynasties. They want parity in the league
- GPHawksfan

And how has this worked? Chicago, LA, Pit, TB all repeat winners. in the past 11 years.

No team ever continues down this road though. Once a team has a chance to win, picks and prospects are always traded for veteran help to try push them over the top. I can't think of any team that hasn't done it once they are close to wining it all, and then the pipeline becomes diminished.
- GPHawksfan

It has gone that way, but if you build a big enough talent pool, you have a better chance of not having to empty the pipeline.

You trade your non core players before they are FA's, and you take back picks.

Draft well again, rinse, repeat.

Granted its not easy, but its a model that will work if executed properly, and I think, a model required to be long term successful with the cap that exists.

Logan Cooley is saying he is staying in school. Think KD can offer #19 and one of the second rounders for his rights?

Logan Cooley is saying he is staying in school. Think KD can offer #19 and one of the second rounders for his rights?
- LAHawk

His schools rink is nicer than Coyote's schools rink

RIP Jim Brown

No matter what records get broken, him and Walter were the the two best ever

Vancouver trades garland the 11th overall pick to Chicago for entwhistle and 44th 2nd
Hawks trade the 55th 2nd 67th 3rd Pitt for the 14th overall pick. Then hawks package the 14th and 19th pick to Arizona for 6th overall pick. Thoughts?
- Scott1977

Yeah, that is the dumbest thing I've read all day. Congrats!!

Logan Cooley is saying he is staying in school. Think KD can offer #19 and one of the second rounders for his rights?
- LAHawk

Since the Kings are up against the cap and no 1st round pick. Wonder if hawks approach the Kings about taking cal Peterson's contract and what trade would look like between the two teams? Any thoughts?

Yeah, that is the dumbest thing I've read all day. Congrats!!
- tyweb69

Thanks for the compliment!!

Since the Kings are up against the cap and no 1st round pick. Wonder if hawks approach the Kings about taking cal Peterson's contract and what trade would look like between the two teams? Any thoughts?
- Scott1977

I mentioned previously I think the Hawks should pursue a deal, Peterson and a prospect (would love Kaliyev for "future considerations" or a draft pick if need be (one of the second or third round picks they have

Another draft pick value chart, different from what I posted earlier.

https://soundofhockey.com...value-of-nhl-draft-picks/

It has gone that way, but if you build a big enough talent pool, you have a better chance of not having to empty the pipeline.

You trade your non core players before they are FA's, and you take back picks.

Draft well again, rinse, repeat.

Granted its not easy, but its a model that will work if executed properly, and I think, a model required to be long term successful with the cap that exists.
- vabeachbear

I'm afraid he's correct. I think the temptation is to great to trade for support when a team is in a cup window, unless the owner himself is disciplined enough or more worried about making the playoffs every year instead of winning the cup.

I mentioned previously I think the Hawks should pursue a deal, Peterson and a prospect (would love Kaliyev for "future considerations" or a draft pick if need be (one of the second or third round picks they have
- LAHawk

I like your idea with Logan Cooley or another prospect.

The cost of acquisition on the 11th Overall is definitely more along the lines of Tyler Myers in exchange for a 2023 2nd (NYR or TBL)+2024 2nd/VAN+2025 4th/NYR.

Spread draft value across lesser esteemed draft classes while getting the shorter term deal in Myers.

Plus, I still see Boeser+2023 4th/DET going back to Stevie Y in exchange for 2023 2nd/VAN+2nd/STL+D G. Lindstrom.

All of which puts Vancouver in the seat they’re most familiar and comfortable: middling.

Since the Kings are up against the cap and no 1st round pick. Wonder if hawks approach the Kings about taking cal Peterson's contract and what trade would look like between the two teams? Any thoughts?
- Scott1977

Now you’re thinking. No joke. You could likely swing Petersen + C Alex Turcotte in exchange for future considerations.

That is true, but the way the cap works, the better league revenue is the higher the cap. Unfortunately all those rosy predictions by Bettman have not come to fruition. The way the economy is shaping up, and streaming revenue falling off the cliff, I personally do not see the rosy increases that the league has put out again.
- LAHawk

Personally, I don't think they are being overly rosy, I think they only need to see growth a bit under 4% to hit what they were approximating originally, which isn't unreasonable considering they often exceeded that until the Pandemic threw things into chaos. Ticket prices seem to be on the rise in a lot of markets and in some cases by a lot.

They more recently said it could go up by ~4.5 mil instead of the 1 million, if the escrow debt is paid off, that really only means revenue just a bit more than 5 and 1/2 billion. They did say they were approaching the 6 billion range in revenue and were I think just over 5.2 billion last season. Anything can happen if there is another global event, but otherwise we should see healthy growth.

I'm afraid he's correct. I think the temptation is to great to trade for support when a team is in a cup window, unless the owner himself is disciplined enough or more worried about making the playoffs every year instead of winning the cup.
- BetweenTheDots

If you believe you have a good chance IMO you always go for it. As the saying goes, The best layed plans?

Unless you are Uri Geller and can predict with certainty the future, I wouldn’t turn down a chance to improve the team because in 3 years my draft picks are supposed to be studs.

Now you’re thinking. No joke. You could likely swing Petersen + C Alex Turcotte in exchange for future considerations.
- 13of39

Rather have Fergamo, Kaliyev, kupari, than Turcotte. All have surpassed him on the Kings depth chart.

Both KD and Mike Doneghay have spoken very positively in recent interviews.

Not saying they wouldn't trade him, just that both talk about him as part of the future.
- vabeachbear

Players drafted mid to late first round usually are expected to need developmental time and this seemingly has been the case with Reichel. He is now poised to move permanently into a top six NHL role. I say it borders on pure folly to suggest Reichel has failed or the draft choice of Reichel is bad in any way. On the contrary, we should be glad Reichel is ready to step in and moreover a 2023 draft choice in his place most likely would need developmental time. We’re fine with Reichel.

On another subject with Vegas winning game one it makes the challenge more difficult for Dallas to advance and win The Stanley Cup. I choose them to win it all; they appear to have the deepest roster with lots of emerging young talent up front mixed with some veterans. Ottinger hsd not been stellar these playoffs yet I still pick Dallas

Who do you and others choose to win The Holy Grail?

I just have to say watching last night's game, and other Carolina playoff games, the team defense is outstanding. Does Martinook ever lose a board battle. The dmen heavy and solid. I hope we go the route like Carolina when it comes to the coach, let LR ingrain his system.
- BetweenTheDots

I think Carolina is Exhibit A of what a system first franchise looks like. Players come and go, get hurt, age or don't reach their ceiling but whether you keep them or bring in another that FITS your system the club doesn't skip a beat and is relevant yr after yr. ... The system isn't predicated on elite talent only adherence to it. Plug and play.

The CAR system is predicated on speed, players with high compete that will win more than their fair share of 50/50 battles along the walls and in both slots/creases, pucks and people to the net where they will win pucks and positioning battles, pucks out and pucks in without being fancy about it, defense is a 5 man exercise, keeping the opposition to the outside and allow your goalie to see pucks and DEPTH....... Depth matters to this system. Their highest paid player is Aho at 8.4 per followed by Svechnikov at 7.7 per then Staal at 6 mil per yet they are at the cap!!! Amazing IMO considering their record and relevance every yr. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/hurricanes

Not saying this is the be all end all system but it works in the cap world. Point for me is have a system that's understood from the scouts up so players who will fit the system are identified when drafting then developed and coached with an eye toward the system.

Too early to tell what the KD era will look like. Seems they covet speed and compete. To me that's a good start but it's just scratching the surface. ..... I will say this, I do think any system has to have some size on the back end. Too many speedy smallish skill Dmen don't seem to handle the grind and gauntlet of playoff hockey.

If you believe you have a good chance IMO you always go for it. As the saying goes, The best layed plans?

Unless you are Uri Geller and can predict with certainty the future, I wouldn’t turn down a chance to improve the team because in 3 years my draft picks are supposed to be studs.
- LAHawk

I probably wasn't as clear as I stated, my only point was only if you draft well enough, you won't have as many holes to fill reducing the need to trade away all your pipeline to go for it.

I thought the interviews i've heard this week with Doneghey were interesting. They are drafting differently after round 1 or 2.
Skating is still at a premium, but they way he talked about Savoie was itneresting. He raved about his stat line from a game; 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 PM, 7 hits. He said now that's Sammie Savoie. They think he's Andrew Shaw.

One thing that also stood out to me listening to the Mike Doneghey interviews this week;

Norm MacIver has a massive voice in the future of this franchise hockey wise.

I think Carolina is Exhibit A of what a system first franchise looks like. Players come and go, get hurt, age or don't reach their ceiling but whether you keep them or bring in another that FITS your system the club doesn't skip a beat and is relevant yr after yr. ... The system isn't predicated on elite talent only adherence to it. Plug and play.

The CAR system is predicated on speed, players with high compete that will win more than their fair share of 50/50 battles along the walls and in both slots/creases, pucks and people to the net where they will win pucks and positioning battles, pucks out and pucks in without being fancy about it, defense is a 5 man exercise, keeping the opposition to the outside and allow your goalie to see pucks and DEPTH....... Depth matters to this system. Their highest paid player is Aho at 8.4 per followed by Svechnikov at 7.7 per then Staal at 6 mil per yet they are at the cap!!! Amazing IMO considering their record and relevance every yr. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/hurricanes

Not saying this is the be all end all system but it works in the cap world. Point for me is have a system that's understood from the scouts up so players who will fit the system are identified when drafting then developed and coached with an eye toward the system.

Too early to tell what the KD era will look like. Seems they covet speed and compete. To me that's a good start but it's just scratching the surface. ..... I will say this, I do think any system has to have some size on the back end. Too many speedy smallish skill Dmen don't seem to handle the grind and gauntlet of playoff hockey.
- Mr Ricochet

You need a mix of styles on defense but the single criteria ideally each of them can skate and pass ok. St Louis won the Cup with a good balance on defense.

On the plug in and play eg Carolina Hurricane: They drafted well enough.

I think as far as KD wants to implement.,,,,it is not so much the blue line crew has a 50/50 split on style, but each must have a good compete and skates fairly well. To my way of thinking I bet KD ideally wants everyone to be a good or above average skater. Once the team rounds into a playoff capable squad, KD would loathe a Murphy. Allen would be a better choice and even Crevier because they can skate better. No lumbering sort if slow pokes. You have to skate to compete well Can’t skate we don’t want you. And I totally agree

Although nothing in detail has been reiterated YET how much skating matters ……puck control is an advantageous way to play and better skaters more often get to loose pucks and deter on coming rush

One thing that also stood out to me listening to the Mike Doneghey interviews this week;

Norm MacIver has a massive voice in the future of this franchise hockey wise.
- vabeachbear

MacIver has consistently been more than solid. Glad he's there for the Blackhawks.

I think Carolina is Exhibit A of what a system first franchise looks like. Players come and go, get hurt, age or don't reach their ceiling but whether you keep them or bring in another that FITS your system the club doesn't skip a beat and is relevant yr after yr. ... The system isn't predicated on elite talent only adherence to it. Plug and play.

The CAR system is predicated on speed, players with high compete that will win more than their fair share of 50/50 battles along the walls and in both slots/creases, pucks and people to the net where they will win pucks and positioning battles, pucks out and pucks in without being fancy about it, defense is a 5 man exercise, keeping the opposition to the outside and allow your goalie to see pucks and DEPTH....... Depth matters to this system. Their highest paid player is Aho at 8.4 per followed by Svechnikov at 7.7 per then Staal at 6 mil per yet they are at the cap!!! Amazing IMO considering their record and relevance every yr. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/hurricanes

Not saying this is the be all end all system but it works in the cap world. Point for me is have a system that's understood from the scouts up so players who will fit the system are identified when drafting then developed and coached with an eye toward the system.

Too early to tell what the KD era will look like. Seems they covet speed and compete. To me that's a good start but it's just scratching the surface. ..... I will say this, I do think any system has to have some size on the back end. Too many speedy smallish skill Dmen don't seem to handle the grind and gauntlet of playoff hockey.
- Mr Ricochet

As a fan, would you rather have your team be competitive over a period of time, or win Cups?

We've seen in Tampa, LA, and Chicago, that teams that win Cups (especially more than one in a cycle) have great high-end talent and do what they can to fill in around them while they're great. Carolina's best players are in their window and the team refuses to "overpay" for talent. If I was a fan of the Canes, I'd want them to go for it in the next couple years.