I'm not 100% sure,but I believe it is that or something similar.
The way I look at it, I'm against having a team be able to throw any money they want at any ufa,but penalizing them for having good scouts and development programs is dumb. So either reward teams with being able to keep their own players with some sort of relief for their own players, or the hell with it,make it a cap like the NFL, signing bonus/restructuring contracts gymnastics etc..
- captainserious

Unfortunately they don't have NFL money. Hard cap is to actually protect the owners from themselves.

This is the problem with the salary cap. If you get lucky,or draft good,you basically get punished because you need to pay a guy high end money to keep him.

Not sure if it is true or not,but someone here or somewhere else wrote that a team never won the Cup with a player that had a cap hit of more than 10mil?

And I know the cap can increase year to year etc..but that doesn't help as much as people think it does.

Never understood why they wouldn't give an edge to(so they could keep the player) the teams that drafted and developed their own players.
- captainserious

The problem is the union - players need to be making so much money based on X and Y. All sports should go to this structure - A team gets a player's rights for x amount of years (negotiated by team and player). Player signs a 1 year contract each year the team has his rights, this way if he performs better each year he makes better money, if he plays worse he gets less money the next year. How many players have we seen play great in their final year of contract, sign a big deal, and then does not perform to that contract?

She is the SI cover girl this year
- Elbows15

An 81 year old woman on the cover of the SI Swimsuit issue. Not that many years ago this would have been considered satire or appeared in National Lampoon.

Bob Dylan was a prophet.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

Count me among those that have a hard time understanding the velocity and extremity of change these days, though I would be quick to add some changes are long overdue and necessary.

We live in "interesting times". But give me "uninteresting times" of peace and tranquility instead of "interesting" ones, which are usually times of trouble.

Unfortunately they don't have NFL money. Hard cap is to actually protect the owners from themselves.
- BetweenTheDots

That is true, but the way the cap works, the better league revenue is the higher the cap. Unfortunately all those rosy predictions by Bettman have not come to fruition. The way the economy is shaping up, and streaming revenue falling off the cliff, I personally do not see the rosy increases that the league has put out again.

Unfortunately they don't have NFL money. Hard cap is to actually protect the owners from themselves.
- BetweenTheDots

You are right about not having NFL money,so that type of cap wouldn't work.
But something that would allow you to exceed the cap or not have a specific player or two accounted for because they are your own prospects should still be something that everyone should push for in the next cba.

An 81 year old woman on the cover of the SI Swimsuit issue. Not that many years ago this would have been considered satire or appeared in National Lampoon.

Bob Dylan was a prophet.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

Count me among those that have a hard time understanding the velocity and extremity of change these days, though I would be quick to add some changes are long overdue and necessary.

We live in "interesting times". But give me "uninteresting times" of peace and tranquility instead of "interesting" ones, which are usually times of trouble.
- -Doh-

I like change personally, otherwise life would be boring to me.

The problem is the union - players need to be making so much money based on X and Y. All sports should go to this structure - A team gets a player's rights for x amount of years (negotiated by team and player). Player signs a 1 year contract each year the team has his rights, this way if he performs better each year he makes better money, if he plays worse he gets less money the next year. How many players have we seen play great in their final year of contract, sign a big deal, and then does not perform to that contract?
- powerenforcer

You anti union people, don't the players have to pay back part of their checks if the league doesn't make money?

I can just see you PE working for a company making so much money and the company says, sorry PE we didn't make our numbers so you owe us so much money back. Then you'll have your wild conspiracy theories, which i enjoy by the way, what the company did with all their extra cash.

I just have to say watching last night's game, and other Carolina playoff games, the team defense is outstanding. Does Martinook ever lose a board battle. The dmen heavy and solid. I hope we go the route like Carolina when it comes to the coach, let LR ingrain his system.

You anti union people, don't the players have to pay back part of their checks if the league doesn't make money?

I can just see you PE working for a company making so much money and the company says, sorry PE we didn't make our numbers so you owe us so much money back. Then you'll have your wild conspiracy theories, which i enjoy by the way, what the company did with all their extra cash.
- BetweenTheDots

I've never dug into employment law (if that is even a thing), but has this ever happened and if so, was it deemed legal? In private companies that do not deal with unions, if the company struggles, they just lay people off. I've never heard of anyone having to pay a company back because of poor business results.

I've never dug into employment law (if that is even a thing), but has this ever happened and if so, was it deemed legal? In private companies that do not deal with unions, if the company struggles, they just lay people off. I've never heard of anyone having to pay a company back because of poor business results.
- Chunk

I believe there is employment law, but if there is a cba between employers and employees that becomes the emplymont law.

I do know i didn't get a bonus because we didn't hit our numbers a few times, that's another angle as well.

I also know that minor league lifers for baseball were suing MLB baseball owners because the amount of time they had to put in equated to less than minimum wage, then some politicians put or tried to put a bill in around the 1900 page mark to let the owners off the hook.

I believe there is employment law, but if there is a cba between employers and employees that becomes the emplymont law.

I do know i didn't get a bonus because we didn't hit our numbers a few times, that's another angle as well.

I also know that minor league lifers for baseball were suing MLB baseball owners because the amount of time they had to put in equated to less than minimum wage, then some politicians put or tried to put a bill in around the 1900 page mark to let the owners off the hook.
- BetweenTheDots

Well yeah, that's how bonuses work (and should work) in most cases. Bonuses are never a guaranteed thing. I was just curious if anyone has ever been made to pay a company back with wages that have already been distributed due to negative business results. Again, they either wouldn't get paid (I've had a few checks delayed a few times when working for smaller start ups), or they just get released.

Well yeah, that's how bonuses work (and should work) in most cases. Bonuses are never a guaranteed thing. I was just curious if anyone has ever been made to pay a company back with wages that have already been distributed due to negative business results. Again, they either wouldn't get paid (I've had a few checks delayed a few times when working for smaller start ups), or they just get released.
- Chunk

Only time I know that wages can be repaid (legally), if the employee committed financial fraud (stealing). You cannot force an employee to pay back for a mistake (that causes a financial loss like having to redo a cake because you screwed one up), You also cannot make an employee work off the clock to make up for a mistake

Dubas is out as GM in Toronto.

Dubas is out as GM in Toronto.
- DarthKane

Not surprised

Edmonton and Toronto and soon to be the Rangers are the next wave of what could have been....teams who should have made a cup final, won a cup, but haven't/didnt....people can spin it however they want...injuries, better teams being a roadblock in front of them league wide and/or conference, salary cap, but man......in each case they are just way too top heavy.

How hilarious will it be if Anderson back stops the Canes to a cup final and/or after people in Toronto roasted him? Outside of 17-18, his numbers were pretty good.

IMO....leafs need to dangle 1 of their top fs and go sell and get a goalie and/or d man back and cap flexibility to fill the one they have buy via UFA (g or D).....but they wont, and the march will continue while their fan base proclaims how great they are in a 5 yr stretch run of regular season games only go choke it away yearly in the spring. Instead they take on all these aging D men and it's a riot to watch. What aging D man is going to come save Toronto this summer and/or season? Can we have a pool because if Dumb@ss is still the GM it's going to happen.

Tale as old as time.........
- SteveRain

Chelios

Only time I know that wages can be repaid (legally), if the employee committed financial fraud (stealing). You cannot force an employee to pay back for a mistake (that causes a financial loss like having to redo a cake because you screwed one up), You also cannot make an employee work off the clock to make up for a mistake
- LAHawk

I believe it has to be a court order, like child support and the example you shared

Well yeah, that's how bonuses work (and should work) in most cases. Bonuses are never a guaranteed thing. I was just curious if anyone has ever been made to pay a company back with wages that have already been distributed due to negative business results. Again, they either wouldn't get paid (I've had a few checks delayed a few times when working for smaller start ups), or they just get released.
- Chunk

Yea not complaining at all, happy to still have a job for a company that has very deep pockets.

When you find out poop like employees in our factories in Europe were struggling just to feed their families because of the crazy natural gas costs, well a smaller bonus is more than generous, to make sure these families are eating every night.

Dubas is out as GM in Toronto.
- DarthKane

Toronto Marlies fire their head coach and two assistants after being swept in the playoffs.

Reichel picked up some points in his last call up for sure. Too much talent to be a bust.
In the AHL playoffs he had 1 point and was -4 in 5 games. The 2 games I went to, where Davidson and the entire Hawks front office was sitting in the suite at center ice, he stayed along the boards and was giving the puck away. One of the Ice Hogs dads who watched almost every home game this season was complaining that he did not go to the tough areas. Might have had an injury. Stars AHL team had Will Butcher and Alex Petrovic on the ice against him. Both guys had careers. I think they made $20 million between the two. Elusive skater and it is possible that playing with talent he may turn out to be a first line player.
- stevefrmglencoe

Since KD seems to disdain most things Stan at this point, perhaps Reichel is the piece that can be packaged with 2nd round pick(s) (and perhaps take on some bad salary too) to move up to a 3rd 1st round pick or bring back a young talented player that is more in KD's wheelhouse.

According to the Hockey News and Jim Parsons, who apparently got tired of acting on the Big Bang Theory and became a sports writer, the Blackhawks have the best chance to sign Austin Matthews if he is traded. Where do people come up with this inside information? It goes against everything KD has said thus far.

According to the Hockey News and Jim Parsons, who apparently got tired of acting on the Big Bang Theory and became a sports writer, the Blackhawks have the best chance to sign Austin Matthews if he is traded. Where do people come up with this inside information? It goes against everything KD has said thus far.
- bjphawkfan

Si is this how the movie ends when a rookie GM tears a team down to the studs to get a generational player?

According to the Hockey News and Jim Parsons, who apparently got tired of acting on the Big Bang Theory and became a sports writer, the Blackhawks have the best chance to sign Austin Matthews if he is traded. Where do people come up with this inside information? It goes against everything KD has said thus far.
- bjphawkfan

I saw that. The article cites a betting site is making the Hawks the favorite to land Mathews as a free agent. That just means people are betting the most money on the hawks to land him and has nothing to do with the organization's way of going about business.

This is the problem with the salary cap. If you get lucky,or draft good,you basically get punished because you need to pay a guy high end money to keep him.

Not sure if it is true or not,but someone here or somewhere else wrote that a team never won the Cup with a player that had a cap hit of more than 10mil?

And I know the cap can increase year to year etc..but that doesn't help as much as people think it does.

Never understood why they wouldn't give an edge to(so they could keep the player) the teams that drafted and developed their own players.
- captainserious

Because they don't want repeat winners or dynasties. They want parity in the league

Because they don't want repeat winners or dynasties. They want parity in the league
- GPHawksfan

This is why I am encouraged (at least early on in this process) that KD's strategy is to build a stable of talent that can continually feed into the NHL club. We will see how it all shakes out, but I like that he seems to be taking the Belichick approach of building draft stock in future years and not just the one in front of him.

This is why I am encouraged (at least early on in this process) that KD's strategy is to build a stable of talent that can continually feed into the NHL club. We will see how it all shakes out, but I like that he seems to be taking the Belichick approach of building draft stock in future years and not just the one in front of him.
- Chunk

No team ever continues down this road though. Once a team has a chance to win, picks and prospects are always traded for veteran help to try push them over the top. I can't think of any team that hasn't done it once they are close to wining it all, and then the pipeline becomes diminished.