Doneghey was on chgo podcast in case anyone is interested

https://www.youtube.com/l...k5wPq5yxD_M?feature=share


Starts right at the beginning 1:30 mark
Nothing too new,but an interesting listen

Boeser doesn't appear to be a KD type of player. I don't think he is going to chase him unless the return is very lopsided

Buyer Beware
So, if Boeser possesses an elite shot and scoring touch, why is he on track for just 18 goals over a full 82-game season this year? Aside from the hand injury, maybe things have just run their course in Vancouver. He’s missed time with a variety of injuries and had to deal with a lot off the ice in his relatively young career, notably the death of his father last May. On top of that, he’s been rumored to be traded for the past year, with his agent Ben Hankinson finally being given permission to find a trade partner in December.



The trade rumors, his injuries, and his off-ice tragedy would weigh any player down, but Boeser has soldiered on with a good attitude and puts the work in. That doesn’t change the fact that he is on pace for his worst full-season goal total this year, in part due to the injury, but probably in no small part to the dark clouds that have swirled over his head for more than a year.

Teams are well aware that Boeser has never been a great skater. He lacks separation speed, which hampers his ability to create the space necessary to distribute the puck, limiting him to a complementary shooter role. That forces coaches to play him with faster players who can get in on pucks more quickly and get them to Boeser for looks, such as Ilya Mikheyev this year in Vancouver. His first three strides are average, but once he gets moving, he can think his way into elite position by reading the play. He is strong on his skates, able to absorb contact and make small-area plays to get to spots to shoot under pressure.



Boeser’s lack of pace also impacts his defensive ability. He is often late to backcheck and once in the defensive zone, he typically reacts to pressure rather than anticipate attacking lanes. He has the tendency to cheat for offense, giving himself a little head start out of the zone, which can burn his team from time to time. Any team with the hopes of making a deep playoff run needs players committed to playing in all three zones, and Boeser has shown inconsistency on the defensive side of the puck.
- LAHawk

probably less about the player and more about moving up in the draft?

probably less about the player and more about moving up in the draft?
- fattybeef

Ding ding ding!

I have watched enough of Honzek to know he can.

and Stenberg is really good dynamic and will get bigger...

and you know what?
at this point, I am unsure of anything.

would I care if they took two other bigger more physical wings like Kasper Halttunen or Ethan Gauthier? I have not problem with that but Stenberg in international play was
19games 17goals 15assists 32points
so I think he is not unsized when scoring that much against the bets in thus age group internationally all summer and season.

And there might be better fits than Big Sam. but there is lots of jump to him.
Not slow at all.

Grampa Wiz is just following his board and picking higher than the second picks slot.

I don't think JD will be in tears if Brayden lager falls in his lap, and he is not giant.

and besides they have a poopload of picks to go big and strong with LATER.

You gotta get guys who are gonna impact, if not at Bedard line mates for your second line of impact attackers.

I have Matt wood oil my board at #8 and I don't think the issues regarding his feet will hold anyone back from picking him in the first; he is really fast in tight short areas populated by defenders, like he showed in the Under -18s a month back (go watch him and Otto...

I love that we don't know IF anyone is trading out in the first no matter what crap is printed.
We don't know IF anyone is why to crazily pull out of the first round and help the Hawks, even if we give 2nd rounders, take their flotsam fat Cap contracts or even add one of our five best players (you figure this five vets out...)

What I wonder is all the trade deadline deals made by playoff contenders that are NOW non contenders by way of elimination....they traded first rounders second rounders, etc.
How itchy are they to start re-stocking as their ticking clocks off and they now may be shopping good players....
- wiz1901

I think KD and company will mirror the Bears draft picks.

They will have to be able to skate, athletic the bigger they play the better. Not saying bigger, bigger they play.

As Poles said the film doesn't lie, you can see if a player loves to play the game or not. I think any prospects tape shows them taking plays off there's a very good chance we don't draft them.

I'm with you the more defenders that come off the board the better for us. Hopefully at least 2.

Can we realistically say with Bedard, Reichel and possibly Nazar (fingers crossed) first half of our top 6 forwards? I think there's a very good chance

That value chart is fairly accurate except you have to have a team willing to drop and the lower you get the more the overpay will be.


There actually is two chances at a Hawk move, one taht is premeditated and done prior in secret or a draft day decision by a tram to drop down IF their guy is picked before they get there.

Surely the hawks will try and include cap space as a enticer, and I guess I am comfortable them sending 131, 99, 94, 55, and 51 in a trade up to Vancouver Pittsburgh even Calgary.

According to the value chart, the hawks could over pay by tossing 44, 67, 51, and 55 in a package with "considerations Cap wise or Hawk player, but gets the hawks to #15 Nashville not higher. (and who knows what the grand plan there is, but it would be the first time a team traded out of their first round spot while HOSTING the draft (Chicago traded the Ottenginger pick to Dallas at the darft here).

Unless JD has a trick up his sleeve, lot's did like the return for 'cat, and each, and most hated the return on many of the deadline deals (you whiners!), so I do not what to be disappointed by any over pays.


They can sit pretty and watch the board drop some good hockey prospects into their laps.

I through trying to speculate - too early and too much brain activity.

Can we realistically say with Bedard, Reichel and possibly Nazar (fingers crossed) first half of our top 6 forwards? I think there's a very good chance
- BetweenTheDots

Nazar so far isn't even in the top 6 at Michigan.

Nazar so far isn't even in the top 6 at Michigan.
- LAHawk

Yea thats true, but I'm going to cut the kid some slack since i think he had sports hernia surgery last year.

Nazar so far isn't even in the top 6 at Michigan.
- LAHawk

And Reichel hasn't shown Top Six stuff yet, imo.

Can we realistically say with Bedard, Reichel and possibly Nazar (fingers crossed) first half of our top 6 forwards? I think there's a very good chance
- BetweenTheDots

I envision Reichel as a F1 where he eventually plays a hagekl style with a bit better hands. He was know in German junior as the guy who used his board play to win pucks and get them to his line mates. He used his in zone foot and hand quickness.
I need to see that come.

Nazar & the Blackhawks were correct to get his hip fixed now, but it put him back a year. Nazar is faster than Reichel can also play everywhere up front.

I see Nazar's all around speed and generation abilities a s a good fit with Bedard and he can open things up as his winger pressure fro pucks.

Ultimately I am very uncertain they are one future hawk line.

They need a big boy who likes contract. (Is that guy in the system? Is Ryan Greene Boston U that RW there eventually.

The luxury of the crop last year is they can move to wing.

I can see similar players picked with regard for their positions.

Everyone is down on Eduard Šalé s' compete but he looks special in his understanding the attack zome, and just knows where to go with the puck.

Junior goal and point totals should never be the high criteria in selecting kids, and there is quite a lot of kids with stringer physical attributes like Ryan Leonard, who also may fall. He just one of the stronger kids top & bottom, and a high motor, sure hands and shoots a heavy puck and also is a sniper, and battle area player.
He won't have you jump out of your seat but, you have Conner Bedard for that.

I guess my continuing to highlight prospects strengths here is to re-iterate that standing pat at #19, you know only 17 kids are slipping out of our hands and we have more names of really good possibles even after subtracting...

Vancouver trades garland the 11th overall pick to Chicago for entwhistle and 44th 2nd
Hawks trade the 55th 2nd 67th 3rd Pitt for the 14th overall pick. Then hawks package the 14th and 19th pick to Arizona for 6th overall pick. Thoughts?
- Scott1977

Why would Pit do that?

True, Cleveland has such a storied history in the A, too bad when they had the team, the Arena was in the boonies and hard to get to.

Hatrford, I was just thinking because of the wealth of the area.

San Francisco/Oakland is a better choice than Sacramento. Might as well put the team in Indianapolis.

If you are going to open new markets, the largest that are left are
Atlanta (good call)
Houston
Orlando
Cleveland
Sacramento
Portland (could be a sleeper)
Indianapolis
San Diego
Salt Lake City
- LAHawk

Lloyd Petit wanted a team in Milwaukee for 100 years.

Can we realistically say with Bedard, Reichel and possibly Nazar (fingers crossed) first half of our top 6 forwards? I think there's a very good chance
- BetweenTheDots

That's the hope, nothing proven yet they're all suspects.

I think KD and company will mirror the Bears draft picks.

They will have to be able to skate, athletic the bigger they play the better. Not saying bigger, bigger they play.

As Poles said the film doesn't lie, you can see if a player loves to play the game or not. I think any prospects tape shows them taking plays off there's a very good chance we don't draft them.

I'm with you the more defenders that come off the board the better for us. Hopefully at least 2.
- BetweenTheDots

Poles traded the #1 OA pick for more picks, yikes!

So I googled 'NHL draft pick value chart" and got several hits. The values vary widely from the various links. Here's one of the latest, updated in 2022. There are a few draft day trade examples from around 2019-2021 shown for reference. Just picks for picks and do not include players.

https://bluebulletreport....value-chart-2022-edition/

There are other charts out there if you want to look them up.
- boilermaker100

Wow this is awesome. I don't know how accurate it is, but it'll keep me entertained up to the draft much like Tankathon got me through the season.

Can we realistically say with Bedard, Reichel and possibly Nazar (fingers crossed) first half of our top 6 forwards? I think there's a very good chance
- BetweenTheDots

Are Reichel and Nazar top 6? Possibly, but it’s too early to tell. I’d be more comfortable slotting these two into the middle 6. That’s not to say Reichel and Nazar can’t/won’t develop into a top line forward, I just wouldn’t expect it.

Reichel and Nazar being middle 6 forwards it great. As we’ve talked about before, the Hawks need depth to sustain long term success. Reichel and Nazar in your middle 6 is much better than Khaira and (Reese) Johnson.

Poles traded the #1 OA pick for more picks, yikes!
- rpeters01

If the Bears didn't have Justin Fields he never trades that 1st pick, so no way KD trades a possible generational talent away.

Are Reichel and Nazar top 6? Possibly, but it’s too early to tell. I’d be more comfortable slotting these two into the middle 6. That’s not to say Reichel and Nazar can’t/won’t develop into a top line forward, I just wouldn’t expect it.

Reichel and Nazar being middle 6 forwards it great. As we’ve talked about before, the Hawks need depth to sustain long term success. Reichel and Nazar in your middle 6 is much better than Khaira and (Reese) Johnson.
- DarthKane

From my eye, i can see Reichel being in the top 6, he started flashing in the 3 game stretch he played then was sent back down, his 10 game stretch to end the season was pretty impressive as well. There's a lot to like when Reichel is on the ice lately, of course he needs experience and so on but his arrow is definitely pointing up.

I also wonder if the Blackhawks do something like the Maple Leafs did with Nylander? Sign him to a 1 year contract for a considerable amount then sign him to a 3-4 year deal after that.

Brind’Amour says that Teravainen will play tonight. It’ll be nice to see TT healthy and playing agin.

Arizona has been subsidized by the league for years so their payroll isn't an issue.
Quebec is not an option because it doesn't open up another market to bring in anything more than gate revenues. TV money where its at.

Relocation cities I could see are Salt Lake City or Atlanta. Houston and KC would be expansion cities is my off the cuff guess.
- Elbows15

Salt Lake or Houston I would agree......they tried Atlanta and it didn't work. I know there is a lot of chatter being pushed by Buccigross and Weekes and about N ATL market but if they want numbers....they go to Salt Lake or Houston.

KC was in the running when the Penguins were playing hardball to get their deal and the city was going to build a stadium right off of 70 by kaufman and arrowhead....but that market isnt' big enough for a NHL franchise. That's a football town, followed by either Mizzou or KU. Only when the royals are VERY good do they draw.....at all.

And Reichel hasn't shown Top Six stuff yet, imo.
- mohel

I thought his last run before going to the AHL for the Hogs playoff push he looked as good as he ever has. I think the key to him is he's a 100% a passenger on a top 6 line and not a guy who drive it and make those with whom he plays with better. Would he work with Bedard? Maybe....but he very likely could be a guy they flip sooner rather than later if the next wave of prospects hit. Plus, I don't believe he's a Davidson pick.

I get that point but I think they look at the metro area size.

As far as Portland the arena that the Winterhawks use has a capacity of around 13000 which could be a temp plan until something new or the Blazers' arena was refurbished for hockey if feasible.
- Elbows15

THey'll likely want to keep it in the west IF the Coyotes move. Sounds like their owner is exhausting all options to stay....but again......these high turn cities of seasonal fans never bolds well for a good base. Atlanta bombed 2 times because of this. Houston is a large transplant city. Florida has snow birds and really....do they need another team on top of the panthers and lightning?

I am not buying Portland. Truly think it's Salt Lake City or Arizona. Rest of the cities being listed are great for minor leagues or college or juniors but can they routinely fill a 15K-20K arena, every game for every year? Last thing NHL wants is another move of Arizona and fund it only to have to revisit moving them again in the next decade.

Thats why KC is immediately off the list.

Lloyd Petit wanted a team in Milwaukee for 100 years.
- rpeters01

Not only that but he built a stadium and gave it to the city. SHOT AND A GOAL!

Not only that but he built a stadium and gave it to the city. SHOT AND A GOAL!
- bjphawkfan

Well he personally didn't, the money came from his wife's family. he married very well.