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boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

May 10 @ 1:30 PM ET
List of UFA's the summer of 2025 with their ages at that time. Big names include Mathews and Aho -

https://www.capfriendly.c...all/ufa?stats-season=2023



The summer of 2026 includes Marner, Rantanen, Draisaitl, Ehlers and Shesterkin.
Lot of talent available that summer.

https://www.capfriendly.c...all/ufa?stats-season=2023


LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 10 @ 1:31 PM ET
Colby Cohen is right. Rangers bet on being competitive too quickly. They rushed their rebuild and now they're already depleting their prospect pipeline. Kravtsov, Kakko, and Lafreniere all look like busts which obviously hurts badly, but they gambled on aging players which is compounding their issues.
- jfkst1


Panarin is now vllified by the Rnager fandom for the same reason the Accountant traded him away from the Hawks. Talk about a no show in the playoffs. He totally disappears at some point in a series/year.

WTF was Drury thinking doing all the cap gyrations for Kane, he had to know Kane was damaged goods, my guess why he traded for Tarasanko first.

The Rangers cut short the rebuild when they fired Gorton and Davidson and installed Drury and Gallant.

I forgot the poster that was lobbying for Gallant to coach the Hawks when Colliton was fired. Glad that didn't happen.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 10 @ 1:35 PM ET
Hope you are right but if you see them trade up and then go sign or trade for higher priced UFAs....you;ll have ZERO chance convincing me Faulkner didn't win that power struggle the same way McDonough won his back in 2009.


They will need to sign a HIGH END UFA....for either goalie or D or F.....it will happen.

- SteveRain


If there were any HIGH end UFAs...and sadly it is pretty weak class.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

May 10 @ 1:35 PM ET
Anderson should be fired. The sad thing is if he made a joke about an African American NBA player he would have be gone already.
- SteveRain

Or talking about E.Kane and R. Reaves and their "play" on the ice.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

May 10 @ 1:57 PM ET
Panarin is now vllified by the Rnager fandom for the same reason the Accountant traded him away from the Hawks. Talk about a no show in the playoffs. He totally disappears at some point in a series/year.

WTF was Drury thinking doing all the cap gyrations for Kane, he had to know Kane was damaged goods, my guess why he traded for Tarasanko first.

The Rangers cut short the rebuild when they fired Gorton and Davidson and installed Drury and Gallant.

I forgot the poster that was lobbying for Gallant to coach the Hawks when Colliton was fired. Glad that didn't happen.

- LAHawk


I probably mentioned Gallant. He did something right when he coached Vegas that first year. Got them to believe in something. We often focus on X's and O's, but the other stuff matters, too. That said, he didn't seem to have that kind of connection with the Rangers. When it falls on the captain or goalie to tell the team to wake the f*ck up, that's a problem.

I can't argue with the choice of LR. So far, a phenomenal hire. We all know that.
Dirk33Graham
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.26.2017

May 10 @ 2:21 PM ET
5-10 is small. Crosby is only an inch taller. Of course with Crosby his freakishly strong lower body along with talent makes up for the smaller stature. Will this kid follow suit? We'll see.
- greenyone


I think he'll follow suit. 5-10 and 200 pounds (I realize he's not there yet) is a fire hydrant on wheels and with hands as fast as Bruce Lee makes him a dangerous player in any era.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

May 10 @ 2:27 PM ET
100% and I am sure Bedard will get some ungodly amount after his ELC is up. 19/88 got north of 6 aav.....so this will be well above 8 aav if not 10 aav if this kid goes on a tear which we all hope he does.

They have PLENTY of cap room. The only other LT deal is Seth Jones. They have room to afford a top tier UFA and build from within.

I just want as many picks as possible so they have extra assets to move should a defensive or goalie or F prospect in house not be on the hopeful trajectory to deal away. They will need to find their Versteegs, Sharps and Ladds..........

- SteveRain

Those were bridge deals. When is the last time you saw a bridge deal for a star player?
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

May 10 @ 2:37 PM ET
Because the Hawks got a 2 for taking on Tyler Johnson at similar term.

The cost of moving up from 19/20 to 11 would be a similar cost (1st + 2nd). Heck, maybe the Hawks throw in a 4th.

The Canucks need the cap space, have too many wingers, and already have a similar player in Hoglander to fill the void.

Garland is a good enough player that he’s a net positive, but moving players with term without taking salary back is expensive in this league.

- TommyHawk

I think more but who knows. More like Tampa's '25 first and this year's 19/20. Depends on the draft year for sure.
jfkst1
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Clackety Clack
Joined: 02.09.2015

May 10 @ 2:38 PM ET
Panarin is now vllified by the Rnager fandom for the same reason the Accountant traded him away from the Hawks. Talk about a no show in the playoffs. He totally disappears at some point in a series/year.

WTF was Drury thinking doing all the cap gyrations for Kane, he had to know Kane was damaged goods, my guess why he traded for Tarasanko first.

The Rangers cut short the rebuild when they fired Gorton and Davidson and installed Drury and Gallant.

I forgot the poster that was lobbying for Gallant to coach the Hawks when Colliton was fired. Glad that didn't happen.

- LAHawk


Panarin is aging out of his prime as their young players are entering their primes. Rangers should have known that was a risk BEFORE offering that contract. Kreider and Trouba are two more that follow that self inflicted risk profile. Still their greatest issue is their three consecutive early picks are all underwhelming.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

May 10 @ 2:38 PM ET
Panarin is now vllified by the Rnager fandom for the same reason the Accountant traded him away from the Hawks. Talk about a no show in the playoffs. He totally disappears at some point in a series/year.

WTF was Drury thinking doing all the cap gyrations for Kane, he had to know Kane was damaged goods, my guess why he traded for Tarasanko first.

The Rangers cut short the rebuild when they fired Gorton and Davidson and installed Drury and Gallant.

I forgot the poster that was lobbying for Gallant to coach the Hawks when Colliton was fired. Glad that didn't happen.

- LAHawk

Gallant = 2yrs and done...
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

May 10 @ 2:45 PM ET
Those were bridge deals. When is the last time you saw a bridge deal for a star player?
- rpeters01


There's been a few, but bridge contracts are becoming more and more unlikely.

Timo Meier 4 years beginning 2019-20 season
Debrincat 3 years beginning 2020-21 season
Elias Petterssen 3 years beginning 2021-22 season
Jason Robertson 4 years beginning 2022-23 season



BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 10 @ 2:49 PM ET
I probably mentioned Gallant. He did something right when he coached Vegas that first year. Got them to believe in something. We often focus on X's and O's, but the other stuff matters, too. That said, he didn't seem to have that kind of connection with the Rangers. When it falls on the captain or goalie to tell the team to wake the f*ck up, that's a problem.

I can't argue with the choice of LR. So far, a phenomenal hire. We all know that.

- 333inthe3rd


I like Gallant, i think the gm was trying to save his job, keep in mind though they made the playoffs again. Can't help it the gm got the wrong pieces for the playoffs

I remember Bowman trading for Fleischman and Weise for Danault, and those players weren't even used in the playoffs, i think Q was fired first
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 10 @ 3:00 PM ET
I'm not sold on the idea that drafting #1 overall speeds up the Hawks rebuild, at least not significantly.

KD wants to build a deep roster, not a top heavy team like Edmonton and Toronto have been. Depth takes time to accumulate and I don't see KD straying from that path. The Hawks may sneak into the playoffs a year sooner, but they won't be serious contenders. I think KD stays the course, maybe in the summer of 2024 he signs a big free agent, but that's the most I could see him doing.

- DarthKane


How do we know this, Kaner? I don't think we can know for a few yrs.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 10 @ 3:02 PM ET
I like Gallant, i think the gm was trying to save his job, keep in mind though they made the playoffs again. Can't help it the gm got the wrong pieces for the playoffs

I remember Bowman trading for Fleischman and Weise for Danault, and those players weren't even used in the playoffs, i think Q was fired first

- BetweenTheDots


Everyone thought Yzerman was going to hire his ex-linemate Gallant when Vegas let him go, and that didn't happen. Wonder why?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 10 @ 3:03 PM ET
Looking over Scott Wheeler's 15 pick draft, and he added a third defender Tom Willander, in it, the following forwards missing are

16 Eduard Sale
17 Colby Barlow
18 Andrew Cristall
19 Calum Ritchie
20 Otto Stenberg
21 Quentin Musty
22 Riley Heidt
23 Kasper Halttunen
24 Samuel Honzek
25 Ethan Gauthier
26 D Mikhail Gulyayev
27 Koehn Ziemmer
28 Charlie Stramel
29 Mathieu Cataford
30 D Lukas Dragicevic
31 D Maxim Strbak
32 Coulson Pitre
33 D Theo Lindstein
34 Alex Ciernik
35 Michael Hrabal goaltender
36 Bradley Nadeau
37 Carson Bjarnason. goaltender
38 D Etienne Morin
39 Gavin Brindley
40 Jesse Kiiskinen
41D Dmitri Simashev
42 Noah Dower Nilsson
43 D Dmitri Simashev
44 Danny Nelson
45 D Tanner Molendyk
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 10 @ 3:04 PM ET
Love to see Danielson fall to Hawks at 20. I’ve seen him as high as 12 and as low as 26 in mocks. He’s there at 20 I’d be shocked
- Assman22


I think someone falls. That's the fun part of being in the teens in a deep deep draft. Very good chance Hawks get a real good player at 19.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 10 @ 3:12 PM ET
Everyone thought Yzerman was going to hire his ex-linemate Gallant when Vegas let him go, and that didn't happen. Wonder why?
- LAHawk


Still doesn't mean he's not a good coach. Aren't he Rangers a lot like Toronto? Lots of corporate management meddling
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 10 @ 3:13 PM ET

The cost of moving up from 19/20 to 11 would be a similar cost (1st + 2nd). Heck, maybe the Hawks throw in a 4th.

The Canucks need the cap space, have too many wingers, and already have a similar player in Hoglander to fill the void.

Garland is a good enough player that he’s a net positive, but moving players with term without taking salary back is expensive in this league.

- TommyHawk



The Blackhawks dropped from 4 spots from 26 to 29 (and made the Stars a contender) and got the 70th overall pick.
I not so sure you can trade #19 and any second.

Hollander / Garland aas hawk roster dds would happen as different deals where the Canucks simply are moving past them so they may be on sale or priced competitively so all the league can make offers...
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 10 @ 3:14 PM ET
100% agree, I think originally i was expecting a 4-5 year rebuild which is why I am now saying 3-4. I think the big changes come after they sign Bedard to his 2nd contract assuming he lives up to the hype.
- Zach Jarom


This is the article written by some brainiac I'm looking for to compare and contrast how teams navigated the cap building a roster. Successes and failures.

A cap guy has become a very important part of an organIzation. ..... Think I read McDavid's 2nd contract was 12.5 mil per.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

May 10 @ 3:17 PM ET
Those were bridge deals. When is the last time you saw a bridge deal for a star player?
- rpeters01


5 years is considered a bridge deal? Beg to differ. 5 x 6.3....
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 10 @ 3:19 PM ET
Love to see Danielson fall to Hawks at 20. I’ve seen him as high as 12 and as low as 26 in mocks. He’s there at 20 I’d be shocked
- Assman22


I thought he was my sleeper.

I think lists will be different and most teams even the most favorable see his high ceiling as 2nd line centre.

Others don't see him, just his meager totals.

I was shocked when I realized pronoun had hit higher than I did, b/c that means someone told him Danielson is good.

I saw him as less heralded, and the fact he had terrible wingers is why.

He has an all around game and can project as a left wing if he doesn't work out as a centre but he can get the puck to scoring wingers if he had some.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

May 10 @ 3:22 PM ET
If there were any HIGH end UFAs...and sadly it is pretty weak class.
- wiz1901

Who are you thinking Hawks get at #20?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 10 @ 3:22 PM ET
I thought he was my sleeper.

I think lists will be different and most teams even the most favorable see his high ceiling as 2nd line centre.

Others don't see him, just his meager totals.

I was shocked when I realized pronoun had hit higher than I did, b/c that means someone told him Danielson is good.

I saw him as less heralded, and the fact he had terrible wingers is why.

He has an all around game and can project as a left wing if he doesn't work out as a centre but he can get the puck to scoring wingers if he had some.

- wiz1901


Wiz question: After a kid is drafted, do you stop "scouting" said player. Reason I ask, is I am intrigued by Gavin Hayes, and whether his season this year would change an opinion on where he projects on an NHL roster
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 10 @ 3:23 PM ET
Paulie

I think its relative to where the cap ceiling is at the summer of 2024. Cap Friendly has it 87.5 and then jumping to 92 the following year. They have an EXTREMELY conservative and reliable site for data.

Lets look at this way.....

At that time you will have
Seth Jones at 9.5
Retained money on McCabe 2.0
Connor Murphy at 4.4
Bedard say maxed out on all bonuses.....3.5
Matthews at 15

Puts them at 34.4......

53.1 million to fill in the rest and roll some? You automatically save another 2 million the year after....

3.125 aav to fill in the rest and you save on some and spend on others with ELCs vs next deals.

And if cap goes up following year you get another 6.5 in cap space with McCabe falling off and raise from 87.5 to 92 million.




yeah.....given the reality of cap celing to deal.....it's not the number but the percerntage and 15 million vs 90 is close to what % Toews and Kane took up.

27 yr old, consistent 40 g scorer. SLot him in between Bedard and who cares.

- SteveRain



Do you want a consistent 40 plus regular season goal scorer or a player who’s shown he knows how to win? Do you sacrifice that much cap for 40-50 or 60 regular season goals then see he’s unable to bring his game to the next level?
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

May 10 @ 3:28 PM ET
Last year I thought Marner was a really good two way player but like Matthews he has demonstrated over seven years he’s unable to elevate his game when it matters. He’s another guy I’d prefer to let another overpay for.
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