I'm on the fence on agreeing with you, maybe - if Vlasic, Katchouk, Raddysh and Ian Mitchell become meaningful players for the Hawks going forward. Think they might?

Whatever became of ex-Blackhawk #2's - Chad Krys, Brandon Pirri, Adam Clendening and Carl Dahlstrom? Kudos to Justin Holl for still being in the league, some observers don't understand how he is still in an NHL lineup.

Alex Debrincat - pretty damn good at #38.

Great scouts find overlooked talent and do a great sales job on a skeptical GM -
i.e. Mark Stone.

I am all for best player vailable and trading up - if the player has real skill and talent.
- RickJ

Saad was a second round pick. He was a projected #1!but had groin issues his draft year.

Keith was a #2, Byfuglein I think was a seventh.

Saad was a second round pick. He was a projected #1!but had groin issues his draft year.

Keith was a #2, Byfuglein I think was a seventh.
- LAHawk

You are absolutely correct - I was having a recency bias. Troy Brouwer was also a 7th rounder.

Isn't Clendenning playing for Rockford?

You are absolutely correct - I was having a recency bias. Troy Brouwer was also a 7th rounder.
- RickJ

Buff was an 8th

Just heard Kyle Davidson on Mully and Haugh - youtube link if anyone wants to listen

https://youtu.be/-9tc8UsfNcM

He mentioned that they have 8 picks in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft,and he doesn't see them making all of those picks. He considers them currency. Mentioned even trading for future picks as a possibility

Buff was an 8th
- captainserious

Could make a decent team out of players drafted in Rounds 6-9.

Goal - Jaro Halak and brian Elliott

D - Jared Spurgeon, Buff, Roman Polak, Tobias Enstrom, Jason Demers, Justin Braun, Anton Stralmon.

F - Joe Pavelski, Patric Hornqvist, Nick Bonino, Anders Lee, Cam Atkinson, Jannick Hansen, Carl Hagelin, Erik Haula, Mathew Perreault, Matt Moulson and the irreplaceable Viktor Stalberg.

Just heard Kyle Davidson on Mully and Haugh - youtube link if anyone wants to listen

https://youtu.be/-9tc8UsfNcM

He mentioned that they have 8 picks in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft,and he doesn't see them making all of those picks. He considers them currency. Mentioned even trading for future picks as a possibility
- captainserious

Thanks for the link. Well KD not only shut the door but threw away the key on either Toews and or Kane coming back.

Also sounds like draft day he is going to be wheeling and dealing again.

Thanks for the link. Well KD not only shut the door but threw away the key on either Toews and or Kane coming back.

Also sounds like draft day he is going to be wheeling and dealing again.
- LAHawk

Thought he did a good job answering Haugh's question about Beach situation, and kind of one upped him.

Could make a decent team out of players drafted in Rounds 6-9.

Goal - Jaro Halak and brian Elliott

D - Jared Spurgeon, Buff, Roman Polak, Tobias Enstrom, Jason Demers, Justin Braun, Anton Stralmon.

F - Joe Pavelski, Patric Hornqvist, Nick Bonino, Anders Lee, Cam Atkinson, Jannick Hansen, Carl Hagelin, Erik Haula, Mathew Perreault, Matt Moulson and the irreplaceable Viktor Stalberg.
- RickJ

Actually miss people mispelling StalHberg and StaLLberg and StalbUrg
Nice team there.Pretty sure Kaprizov was a later round pick as well. Always thought Enstrom was a bit underrated

Still no official Connor Bedard reaction to the draft lottery?

You’d think somebody would have “leaked” something.

Exhale.

Thought he did a good job answering Haugh's question about Beach situation, and kind of one upped him.
- vabeachbear

I agree .
I'm sure the Bedard parents will ask a same type of quesion etc...
And just like someone mentioned the other day,the team canada sexual assault scandal. I wonder if Wayne Gretzky ever asked them what they will do when someone's parents ask the same question? He probably doesn't have the stones to comment something like that.

Just heard Kyle Davidson on Mully and Haugh - youtube link if anyone wants to listen

https://youtu.be/-9tc8UsfNcM

He mentioned that they have 8 picks in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft,and he doesn't see them making all of those picks. He considers them currency. Mentioned even trading for future picks as a possibility
- captainserious

I agree with both sides of this trade up to lower earlier slots or stay the course.

I truly understand that great players can come like diamonds in later rounds.

BUT...this top end is so good and the first round plus is SO solid,I doesn't hurt to trade the less desirable ones" to get top for the ones the scoring staff see as real fits.

Davidson has said that before. Funny how here I see fans tryin g to leverage high Cap vets for more picks and the GM is thinking the opposite.
It is related to paying everybody in a few years and not just starting veto peel off youngsters due to Cap (Winnipeg had that happen)

So he may mean acquiring a young vet, a true vet who can play and help to get Bedard to play hard. (sorry, I had too!)

He may be trading out of this year for picks next year or future years, but this would only be desirable in my eyes if they are guaranteed to be earlier in next years order, to make up for the disparity between 2023 Nd 2024.

Here's my biggest issue:
I am not fond of selecting after the Re Wings get their second chance at #17, and I really don't like the Red Wings selecting #41, 42, and #43 before our #44.

To me that means I have to place 4 guys names on the table and get the Detroit discard.

That is players nine, ten and eleven of the second round, and I am not going to say sure hits, but pretty close to excellent prospects long term.

Does San Jose want out of slot 4? Doubtful.

The Canucks are missing their second rounder but have five selections in the 3rd and 4th.

The only team I truly see who might want to start restocking their farm is the Calgary Flames at pick #16
they do not have a third or a fifth and they need help as they start to get ready to move into a new barn.

and as far the picks between #17 and #32,

I do see the Jets will to trade out as they do not have a 2nd or a 4th.that doesn't climb the mountain to the super elite, but a pick at #18 with one at #19 does justify trading any picks after #44.

Think Vegas wants to trade out of chelate first and pick up two 2nds?

As I start to put this puzzle together I guess I see the possible strip down in Winnipeg might be a way to get a veteran centre with a big Cap hit, just not so sure they are around when the team is a Cup challenger.

Great point.

I usually take a look at the rosters of successful teams and where their players came from and what their draft position was. You not only need stars but also the glue pieces for the middle to bottom part of a good roster.

Take a look at the Carolina roster - Brett Pesce (#66 overall); Jacob Slavin #129; Jesper Fast #157; Martinook #58. Heck, Brent Burns and Brady Skje were picked in the 20's overall in their draft year.

Unearthing a gem or 2 or 3 somewhere bewteen #50 and #120 can make the difference between a long term winner and an also ran.
- RickJ

Very true, that's why to me this is a wonderful way to rebuild, you get to gamble on players and snag players earlier and steal these guys who may fall into the 3rd or 4th rounds.

I love the Rinzel pick, ends up being the 3rd 1st round pick and because of that you get to swing for the fences, considering all his attributes i believe there were many teams disappointed he went that early.

So Vancouver really wants to infuse new young players, say the more coming from the ‘23 draft the better

There has been asked the question if it is worthwhile to move up in the draft? And at what cost? The draft is deep with good players even at the end of round two and in round three too

But the opportunity to draft top six forward - moreover top line rated - stares is in the face/would Vancouver consent? Looking at the teams with two or more round one in ‘23 the Canucks appear the weakest on paper. Well maybe weakest when Demko is out injured

Perhaps an opportunity to give them a second round pick this year and next just to swap first rounders? Need we insert one of our prospects? Sorry Regula doesn’t compute who does? I cannot say but I will tell you that adding a Bentsen or Danielson is worthwhile,eh
- jhawk59

Agree. Every team has a draft board listing players by value to that particular organization. I can see the Hawks not making any moves until the draft begins. Then if they see a player on their board falling they may make a move up to draft him. Likewise if it is their turn to draft and they have 3 players they value about equally I could see them trade back a few slots and pick up another mid round pick.

I agree with both sides of this trade up to lower earlier slots or stay the course.

I truly understand that great players can come like diamonds in later rounds.

BUT...this top end is so good and the first round plus is SO solid,I doesn't hurt to trade the less desirable ones" to get top for the ones the scoring staff see as real fits.

Davidson has said that before. Funny how here I see fans tryin g to leverage high Cap vets for more picks and the GM is thinking the opposite.
It is related to paying everybody in a few years and not just starting veto peel off youngsters due to Cap (Winnipeg had that happen)

So he may mean acquiring a young vet, a true vet who can play and help to get Bedard to play hard. (sorry, I had too!)

He may be trading out of this year for picks next year or future years, but this would only be desirable in my eyes if they are guaranteed to be earlier in next years order, to make up for the disparity between 2023 Nd 2024.

Here's my biggest issue:
I am not fond of selecting after the Re Wings get their second chance at #17, and I really don't like the Red Wings selecting #41, 42, and #43 before our #44.

To me that means I have to place 4 guys names on the table and get the Detroit discard.

That is players nine, ten and eleven of the second round, and I am not going to say sure hits, but pretty close to excellent prospects long term.

Does San Jose want out of slot 4? Doubtful.

The Canucks are missing their second rounder but have five selections in the 3rd and 4th.

The only team I truly see who might want to start restocking their farm is the Calgary Flames at pick #16
they do not have a third or a fifth and they need help as they start to get ready to move into a new barn.

and as far the picks between #17 and #32,

I do see the Jets will to trade out as they do not have a 2nd or a 4th.that doesn't climb the mountain to the super elite, but a pick at #18 with one at #19 does justify trading any picks after #44.

Think Vegas wants to trade out of chelate first and pick up two 2nds?

As I start to put this puzzle together I guess I see the possible strip down in Winnipeg might be a way to get a veteran centre with a big Cap hit, just not so sure they are around when the team is a Cup challenger.
- wiz1901

Interesting comment by KD on how the upper part of the draft is almost all centers, and you can’t have all the same type of player, as there is only one puck. Does KD think he has his 2 centers of the future in Bedard and Nazar, and will be looking at wings at #19/20? Or pluck a D man

We are getting close to post 980 here.

It is amazing how many articles have been written about Bedard hawks that simply say nothing about any of it. We have become click bait.

I just pulled up an early ordered draft list I did in August, and I wish this was the outcome this June is many ways:
Here is who I had ranking in our draft spots;
1 Bedard
19 Ethan Gauthier C-RW
20 Leo Carlsson C
35 Nate Danielson C
44 Dominik Petr C-w-I still like him later than this...
52/53 R Def Dylan McKinnon / LW Daniil But
58 Goalie Scott Razlaff
67 Luca Pinelli LW
88 Nick Landis

(Matthew Wood, Callum Ritchie, Charlie Stramel, Colby Barlow and Alex ceirnak were in my top 10 and Will Smith was #13, and Kasper Halttunen #11, Sale #17


If only Carlsson and Danielson were there now!
- wiz1901

And if you reset them again in December of 2023 (6 months after the draft) the values would be very different again.

Still no official Connor Bedard reaction to the draft lottery?

You’d think somebody would have “leaked” something.

Exhale.
- mike7076

No phones allowed in Canadian High Schools. And his Mommy says its important to pass Grade 10 and not be worrying about hockey pucks and making $150 million over the next 10 years from Rocky.

Thanks for the link. Well KD not only shut the door but threw away the key on either Toews and or Kane coming back.

Also sounds like draft day he is going to be wheeling and dealing again.
- LAHawk

Thank You KD!! Move on and build the team the way you want.

It’s not the degree of winning that I’m suggesting. It’s that as of now there is no more perception of tanking. Everyone in the organization, especially the players must know the culture of the team is to move forward.
- paulr

I follow you, Paul. But IMO timing is critical throughout the tear down then rebuild and there are different degrees to the PROCESS.

I do think most posters/readers here believe KD and Crew has a plan and will stick to it. What I'm watching as the rebuild continues is the timing of adds to the big league roster during the process.

So;

A - #19 - Kasper or Quentin
# - #35 - Mike Hrabal - (or Charle Stramel)
C - #44 - Danny Nelson
D - #52 - Caden Price
E - #58 - Oskar Fisker Moelgaard
F - #67 - Jacob Fowler
B - #88 - Tyler Peddle (or best G if you take Stramel above)


After getting Bedard, that would be one hell of a haul, and a nice building block to stack on top of last years draft

Only Caveat for me in that, is I think its too early in the rebuild to take a goalie that early, and the F group needs to be built up, You could wait until #88, but I really like Hrabel. So you could take Charlie Stramel at #35, and take best goalie left at #88.
- vabeachbear

Not sure about it being too early to take a goalie, VAbear. Lets say they draft 18 yr old Hrabal and he goes to the NCAA next yr. Minimum 2 yrs in college then 2 yrs in the AHL and we're 4 yrs into the rebuild and he's 22 with two full yrs in the AHL. .. That's a good developmental path and the Hawks will be on the cusp.

Also, you have Jocob Fowler at F. Is he the USHL goalie out of Youngstown? I like that kid by the way. He'll get drafted but probably around the 4th rd.

Interesting comment by KD on how the upper part of the draft is almost all centers, and you can’t have all the same type of player, as there is only one puck. Does KD think he has his 2 centers of the future in Bedard and Nazar, and will be looking at wings at #19/20? Or pluck a D man
- LAHawk

He mentioned Reichel quite a bit during that segment on centers. I wonder where they stand right now on him playing that position.

Another thing on his KD's comment about the top players all being centers. Complete conjecture on my part, but Michkov is exclusively a winger. I wonder if that was a bit of a slip in him not considering Michkov as part of the top of tier (likely not due to talent, but the situation)?

Interesting comment by KD on how the upper part of the draft is almost all centers, and you can’t have all the same type of player, as there is only one puck. Does KD think he has his 2 centers of the future in Bedard and Nazar, and will be looking at wings at #19/20? Or pluck a D man
- LAHawk

Same type of player could be unrelated to centres and more to the size of two guys who may play centre who are not very big.
Nazar is a candidate to move to either wing.
Bedard stays at center until someone proves he's on RW b/c ha cannot be a centre.

I think the idea is there are impact players who play great w/o the puck on their stick a lot (until it DOES get there).

And by top of the draft toi me translates as C Bedard C Fantilli, C Carlsson C W Smith, Moore, Yager, Daniellson, and wing Michkov.

Same type players as first rounders Reichel, Nazar and Bedard.

So maybe the quality wings who just like to set up or just let it fly and have smaller touches are what he is going to look for (Eduard Sale, Gabriel Perreault Matt Wood, Otto Stenberg, who can play anywhere, Riley Heidt, who can play anywhere, Quentin Musty or bruising wings like Kasper Halttunen, Samuel Honzek, Ethan Gauthier, or Charlie Stramel who can play wing also...

now I have to listen to the interview for context...

He mentioned Reichel quite a bit during that segment on centers. I wonder where they stand right now on him playing that position.

Another thing on his KD's comment about the top players all being centers. Complete conjecture on my part, but Michkov is exclusively a winger. I wonder if that was a bit of a slip in him not considering Michkov as part of the top of tier (likely not due to talent, but the situation)?
- Chunk

In Germany Reichel played both wings as an F1 and the an F2 before tried as a centre...Michkov is a player who wants the puck a lot, so I counted him in the centre rankings.

Now you cobble out which centres are destined to be NHL wingers, and we solved the puzzle.

Just heard Kyle Davidson on Mully and Haugh - youtube link if anyone wants to listen

https://youtu.be/-9tc8UsfNcM

He mentioned that they have 8 picks in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft,and he doesn't see them making all of those picks. He considers them currency. Mentioned even trading for future picks as a possibility
- captainserious

I had a thought and since maybe this could happen as you mention that if Davidson would trade number 1 overall for 2 firsts or something or 3 firsts and a player like Laf from NY. I know Bedard is supposed to be unworldy but what if he traded that for 3 pr 4 assets? Like one proven young kid like Laf or something and 2 or 3 forst round picks? Only reason I say this is that David has been very unpredictable with his trades and moves. I know he mentioned rebuilding but debrincat trade came out of nowhere, and the Hagel one too. Just thinking if he could consider that since he's looking to build the team up from drafting.

Thoughts?

In Germany Reichel played both wings as an F1 and the an F2 before tried as a centre...Michkov is a player who wants the puck a lot, so I counted him in the centre rankings.

Now you cobble out which centres are destined to be NHL wingers, and we solved the puzzle.
- wiz1901

Was about to say I didn't view him as saying they will not be drafting centers. Since I was a kid in the 80s I've repeatedly heard how a C moving to W isn't that big of an issue. But a W playing C usually leads to it being a disaster

Anyone listen to the Chris Block and Al Cimaglia podcast?

https://thethirdmanin.com...khawks-win-connor-bedard/

Neither Block nor Cimaglia are convinced the Blackhawks know how to develop players
And they say nobody should until the team proves it can. Good podcast