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wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 10:40 PM ET
Wiz rebuild starts at the 2023 draft.

Everything gets easier when you land the best player and he is more than ordinary.

This gives the Blackhawks two small centres in Bedard and Nazar. Both can play wing, but for now let's call them centres.

Of course I would consider trading my draft picks to move up the board, but I am not making moves like that if I think those seven picks to Strat to construct a strong forward base.

a) A big winger who can snag and fire rebounds and is experienced wall player and stickhandler and moves at high end pace. (He will be there at #19/#20.)

b) The second thing I look for is a big centre whether a still developing project or a kid whose play is closer to ready. I want him as a possible future high end centre and sure have to get lucky to find one in the first, but

c) I am finding sniper with good pace and forecheck who will grow bigger and continue to be a strong attacker wherever play him.

d) I still want insurance behind LD Korchinski, and Rd Sam Rinzel, and if there is a RD attacking offense man I am not giving up on us finding a smaller attacking QB.

e) I will have the luxury with all these selections to reach on longer developmental European players who have a significant chance to be much more dominant in the next couple years as they grow.

f) No rush as the system has a few nice possibles as the net minder on the future playoff team. I would like a big rookie now and let him percolate. Granted, nowadays good goalies HAVE gone the UFA route or been traded as their contracts lapse, but a good stable of howngrowns eliminates the need to go outside, let guys outstay their welcome in the crease. It has to go from having a goaler as last defense, to having one who can change games to wins.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

May 11 @ 10:41 PM ET
I do hope they sign Domi, i really like him
- BetweenTheDots

He loves playing for LR and really liked his time here. Seemed to be well liked by his team mates but I guess its what he wants to do at this point in his career.

I don't know about anywhere else but he came to play every night and kept the stupid under control.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 10:42 PM ET
Dallas cannot fit him under salary cap. And if they somehow temporarily finagle the salary cap, they are doomed soon with salary cap because they have some emerging young stars who will need to be paid big coin. Seguin, Pavelski, Benn are players they need to cut the cord. Even then a few young forwards and Ottinger command attention first and foremost. Possibly Minny is paying part of Suter’s contract but Dallas is ripe even bursting with young talent.
- jhawk59


yeah would love to see Benn old ass here next year for the kid.
SaskHawkFan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: SK
Joined: 05.18.2014

May 11 @ 10:43 PM ET
I am so very curious to see how things go this season, i look back on the generational players entering the league none of them had trouble putting points up, this will be very very interesting. I mean no one expects him to be a point per game player his rookie year? We'll see especially if his shot is better than McDavids.
- BetweenTheDots


His shot alone i would put down a grand he scores 25 just because of it. no matter who he plays with, he is that good.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

May 11 @ 10:44 PM ET
Wiz rebuild starts at the 2023 draft.

Everything gets easier when you land the best player and he is more than ordinary.

This gives the Blackhawks two small centres in Bedard and Nazar. Both can play wing, but for now let's call them centres.

Of course I would consider trading my draft picks to move up the board, but I am not making moves like that if I think those seven picks to Strat to construct a strong forward base.

a) A big winger who can snag and fire rebounds and is experienced wall player and stickhandler and moves at high end pace. (He will be there at #19/#20.)

b) The second thing I look for is a big centre whether a still developing project or a kid whose play is closer to ready. I want him as a possible future high end centre and sure have to get lucky to find one in the first, but

c) I am finding sniper with good pace and forecheck who will grow bigger and continue to be a strong attacker wherever play him.

d) I still want insurance behind RD Korchinski, and Rd Sam Rinzel, and if there is a RD attacking offense man I am not giving up on us finding a smaller attacking QB.

e) I will have the luxury with all these selections to reach on longer developmental European players who have a significant chance to be much more dominant in the next couple years as they grow.

f) No rush as the system has a few nice possibles as the net minder on the future playoff team. I would like a big rookie now and let him percolate. Granted, nowadays good goalies HAVE gone the UFA route or been traded as their contracts lapse, but a good stable of howngrowns eliminates the need to go outside, let guys outstay their welcome in the crease. It has to go from having a goaler as last defense, to having one who can change games to wins.

- wiz1901

Korchinski is a LD.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 11 @ 10:45 PM ET
If the Panthers get past the Leafs, the 2 eastern conference teams that did not load up at the TDK ( Panthers, Carolina) are the ones left standing whereas the ones that loaded up Boston, Rangers, New Jersey and possibly the Leafs are gone.

I don’t know what you would call what Tampa Bay did giving up all those picks for Tanner Jeannault.

Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 11 @ 10:46 PM ET
I don’t think LR was doing anything but trying to win, and I think most of the players were but there wasn’t much talent there. The tank was perpetuated by KD who managed to get the grand prize by tanking. I meant stop selling of assets to tank some more. Now is the time to build to try to win. The build will be progressive and will take time but as long as the team is being improved the results on the ice will start improving.
- paulr


There is really not much left to sell except journeymen career bottom 6 guys (Blackwell-Dikinson) and Dmen like Murphy, Paul. To me tanking by KD would be not adding a couple Domi like guys, legit middle 6 guys, and have a L1 of Kurashev-Bedard-Reichel.

The team will struggle some even then working in 2-3 rookie Dmen and Reichel.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

May 11 @ 10:49 PM ET
If the Panthers get past the Leafs, the 2 eastern conference teams that did not load up at the TDK ( Panthers, Carolina) are the ones left standing whereas the ones that loaded up Boston, Rangers, New Jersey and possibly the Leafs are gone.

I don’t know what you would call what Tampa Bay did giving up all those picks for Tanner Jeannault.

- LAHawk

Hilarious?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 11 @ 10:49 PM ET
If the Panthers get past the Leafs, the 2 eastern conference teams that did not load up at the TDK ( Panthers, Carolina) are the ones left standing whereas the ones that loaded up Boston, Rangers, New Jersey and possibly the Leafs are gone.

I don’t know what you would call what Tampa Bay did giving up all those picks for Tanner Jeannault.

- LAHawk


Tkachuk gift was in the beginning of the season, 1st Huberdeau and someone else
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

May 11 @ 10:52 PM ET
Tkachuk gift was in the beginning of the season, 1st Huberdeau and someone else
- BetweenTheDots

Weeger and Huberdeau for Tkachuk. No picks were involved
SaskHawkFan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: SK
Joined: 05.18.2014

May 11 @ 10:54 PM ET
I might be old school on this but i hope Bedard wears #16. watching his world jrs and it just seems to fit.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 11 @ 10:57 PM ET
Weeger and Huberdeau for Tkachuk. No picks were involved
- Elbows15


Capfriendly says 2025 1st round pick lottery protected
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

May 11 @ 10:59 PM ET
Capfriendly says 2025 1st round pick top 10 protected
- BetweenTheDots

I looked up an article and they didn't mention it.

okay then. That was a lot. Especially since Sutter proceeded to suck the soul out of Hubie and Weeger

Holy hell. Did you read the conditions on that pick? Like they need to stop that poop.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 11 @ 11:00 PM ET
Tkachuk gift was in the beginning of the season, 1st Huberdeau and someone else
- BetweenTheDots

Calgary did not get scalped in the Tkachuk trade
Huberdeau could put up 100 points or darn close with coach Daryl Sutter gone. Weager was a solid addition as well. Yet that trade sure works out well for Florida this season. Even without making it to the Cup final Tkachuk is an integral piece in their lineup
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

May 11 @ 11:03 PM ET
I might be old school on this but i hope Bedard wears #16. watching his world jrs and it just seems to fit.
- SaskHawkFan

98 is his number. 16 is the number given to him by TC. IDC if he wear a fraction as a number.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

May 11 @ 11:05 PM ET
Calgary did not get scalped in the Tkachuk trade
Huberdeau could put up 100 points or darn close with coach Daryl Sutter gone. Weager was a solid addition as well. Yet that trade sure works out well for Florida this season. Even without making it to the Cup final Tkachuk is an integral piece in their lineup

- jhawk59


Calgary had no choice when Tksczuk said he wouldn’t sign after this year, and he wanted to go to Florida.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 11 @ 11:08 PM ET
Well we are now past step 1, teardown. There isn't much left to trade for assets. We are now in the prospect collection phase. All these draft choices will now start having names associated with them. Concurrently (and the trickiest part) is development. The faster your draft picks develop, the faster the rebuild.
- LAHawk


For the most part, yes. The players decide where the rebuild is not an artificial timeline. As long as KD and his group think so that's 50% of the battle and they won't try and speed it up or slow it down.
bhawk1s
Joined: 06.27.2014

May 11 @ 11:12 PM ET

Dallas cannot fit him under salary cap. And if they somehow temporarily finagle the salary cap, they are doomed soon with salary cap because they have some emerging young stars who will need to be paid big coin. Seguin, Pavelski, Benn are players they need to cut the cord. Even then a few young forwards and Ottinger command attention first and foremost. Possibly Minny is paying part of Suter’s contract but Dallas is ripe even bursting with young talent.

- jhawk59
Going into tonights game Domi was second in scoring for the Stars in the playoffs. Two things would have to happen for him to stay in Dallas, he would have to enjoy his playing time there and want to stay, and the Stars would have to value him over some of the other players you mention above. I guess we will find out late June/early July. I'd like to see him come back to the hawks.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 11:14 PM ET


Because of this, assuming next year not as deep, I've asked the question before;

Were the Hawks better off getting Rangers second this year, than a late first next year??

- vabeachbear


Just by draft order the current position of the NY Ranger 2nd rounder is around #58, and a first rounder by definition is 1-32.

We really cannot gauge the backend of the 2024 yet, but is seems destined to be filled with defenders mostly LEFT DEFENDERS.
I have the board up and feel there is a nice depth of defenders, and I am sure the 2024 forward class wiLL have its additional early elected scoring forwards after one more junior season to show their wares.

This question is much trickier for me than the First in 2024 would hav been awesome.

So let me start with I said all year that NHL drafts first rounds end usually at pick #20 and then there is a long list of graded equally who probably need more time.
and this year I boasted the first round in 2023 goes down into the second and never has before. right?
I am gonna guess that the players who would be first round possibles in any other draft end ....when you have to start taking Russians, longer projects from Europe or North American ranks (guys that can play but need improvement over their weaknesses in size, IQ, stick handling, and over all play.) that is when it s=ends and the true next tier starts at around slot #51 (the Tampa 2nd rounder.)

That is not to say that the selections the Blackhawks make at #52, #57 (Rangers) and #67 in the 3rd round are weak ones, but to strike gold you are bringing in an import, or counting on the prospect's willingness to work to be an NHLer.
Surely Point didn't wake up one day and suddenly become a better skater or stronger, or for that matter, Kucherov. At defense, we now can see how you can select a kid like Kaiser and then by the time he gets here, you already have a challenger to the roster.
Also after around #50 - 351, you will see smaller players going. You will see older players who were drafted in their first two years of eligibility being taken because something is now there that wasn't (Andrew Shaw).
If you come up with a big buff, a troy Brouwer (who scores 17 goals + 35 points in 2010 season. the draft is working for you.

I think there are going to be teams that get a boost in this draft in the next decade FROM the Euros they pick in the late second and third because they took more time tone finished players.

The other thing about the Ranger 2nf 2023pick coming soon is the development starts a year before the 2024 class
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 11:20 PM ET
Korchinski is a LD.
- Elbows15


Yes I know and sited him as the ONE offense man we have with the Right sided Rinzel reach as where I wanted to improve through the draft.

(yeah I went back that RD was one...I typoed)
(Ah, remember when the six team NHL had only like TWO right handed shooting defenders, Tim Horton, and Doug Barkley (before he lost the vision in his eye).
I just like this kid RD Axel Sandin Pelikka so much, and honestly he is a stretch to go as early as many have him. He is NOT the finished product and there seems a chance anyway he stays on the board with the heaver defenders moving up.
David Reinbacher, Lukas Dragicevic, Oliver Bonk (6'1" 180 and growing), the Slovakian Maxim Strbak RD.

I just like so much of the way Sandin-Pelikka slows things down and diagnoses as a smaller defender and I think he is a superb attacker at PP, or 5 on 5.

Maybe the pendulum has swung back towards the bigger guys because of the disappointments with the smaller ones drafted early.
Lukas Dragicevic has lots to like as an attacker but the idea he is a two way , and great defender is a stretch, but COULD teams take all or some of the bolded above over the likes of a smaller Axel Sandin Pelikka?

Here's hoping
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 11 @ 11:24 PM ET



If Benson fell to #11, I would try to get there with #19 + #35.

- totem


As of today, oh yea. I love Benson's skill a lot, skating stride might be a concern but he has a super high IQ and some fantastic hands.

BUT, assuming they all make it 4 of your top 6 would be Bedard, Benson, Reichel and Nazar in 4 yrs. That's a smallish to very smallish 4 of 6 top 6 although Bedard is stout.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

May 11 @ 11:41 PM ET
As of today, oh yea. I love Benson's skill a lot, skating stride might be a concern but he has a super high IQ and some fantastic hands.

BUT, assuming they all make it 4 of your top 6 would be Bedard, Benson, Reichel and Nazar in 4 yrs. That's a smallish to very smallish 4 of 6 top 6 although Bedard is stout.

- Mr Ricochet

The BIGGER BOYS
That is why the following guys are targets with #19/20, #35, and #44:
Colby Barlow
Matthew Wood
even Nate Danielson
In a heartbeat any of the above at #19 or a trade up...
Charlie Stramel ,--I am fairly certain the Hawks know a lot more of where they think he lands than I can predict...is he on the board at #35? I thunk not.
Quentin Musty
Kasper Halttunen
Samuel Honzek
growing Mathieu Cataford <--I could roll the dice at #35
David Edstrom
Danny Nelson
If any of the above can be bonafide NHL centres
(as 2021's Wyatt Johnston was / is...almost 6 foot but 189 and has upside to a top six centre in the future.),
then great, but, they better be able to play wing too.

Quentin Musty <--sorry I cannot take him until slot #35
Kasper Halttunen <--I could roll the dice at #19
Samuel Honzek
and Danny Nelson
are probably wingers period.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 11 @ 11:46 PM ET
Calgary had no choice when Tksczuk said he wouldn’t sign after this year, and he wanted to go to Florida.
- LAHawk

Yes
True
BTW I noticed that Florida did hardly call upon L Carlsson as a reserve this season
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

May 11 @ 11:57 PM ET
Some trivia. Connor Bedard, born July 17, 2005 was less than one year old when Toews was selected in the 2006 draft on June 24, 2006.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

May 11 @ 11:57 PM ET
id make that deal all day long for Benson.

I love Yager and ive reffed him in bantam and hes a saskie. if hes there at 19 i would be thrilled.


Doubt Benson falls out of the top 10. but who knows anything can happen on draft day!

- SaskHawkFan


Very cool, SHF!....... Yager is a nice player for sure. Nice size/reach, good skater with good speed, right shot (a damn good shot) and a legit centerman who pays attention to the Dzone. Played for CAN in the Hlinka this yr but did not make the Gold Medal winning WJC squad.

Gotta think if he's there at #19 the Hawks happily scoop him up.
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