Tavares isn’t tradeable, unless they send two first round picks out with him.
- Angotti

And if he approves the trade, pretty sure he has some kind of NMC

I’d rather not have them add a veteran defenseman at this time with a sweetener. I would much prefer forwards if taking on bad contracts, it’s time to matriculate a couple of dmen to the show. I would not touch the Russian with a 10’ pole, unless he was there at 19, then yes.
5-5-4-5-5, ooff!
- Angotti

2-4-4-1

Why bring up new exciting Dmen who can skate when we have a +50 Leadership Murphy?

Bedard landing in Vancouver tonight?
Seems like that would be the best storyline as far as drama etc.. goes

Less than 4 1/2 hours to go time. Decided to change it up a bit with 4 spins and the top 5.

1 - DET/ARZ/ANA/CLB/CHI

2 - CHI/DET/ANA/CLB/SJ

3 - CHI/SJ/ANA/CLB/MON

4 - ANA/OTT/CLB/CHI/SJ

If they get Bedard,great, but it's not the end of the world. They will get either Fantilli -Benson or Will Smith. Don't forget - they'll also have another first rounder around 20 and FOUR second round picks. They could build some serious depth through this draft.
- chuckdahammer

Don't be jinxing the good juju we have going with that pick continually moving up.

ITS #19!

FWIW, there were 3 ex-Blackhawks on the ice for Toronto for the Panther's OT winner:
McCabe
Lafferty
Kampf

As we prepare for the lottery, there are a numbers of proposals that have been floated for the 4 major North American sports to help prevent tanking. Are you interested in any?

1. MLB doesn't allow the trading of draft picks. Trades have to be players for prospects. Hasn't really stopped teams from trading off players for prospects.

2. Have each team pick in every draft slot once, before repeating. For the NHL it would work like this. Over 32 years, each team would pick in each draft slot once. The slot would be assigned randomly before each draft. One #1 pick every 32 years, one #2 pick every 32 years, etc.

3. No player draft, make each draft age eligible player a free agent. The Fortune 50 doesn't hold a draft of Ivy League MBAs, why should NBA, MLB, NHL, NFL?

4. (my favorite) The team that misses the playoffs with the best record gets the 1st pick, the next best record the 2nd, and so on. The playoff teams come in order as under the current system. So this year, 1. CLG, 2. NSH, 3. PIT, etc. The Hawks would pick 14th. This would likely reduce the incentive to be bad, and would make all 82 games meaningful.

4. (my favorite) The team that misses the playoffs with the best record gets the 1st pick, the next best record the 2nd, and so on. The playoff teams come in order as under the current system. So this year, 1. CLG, 2. NSH, 3. PIT, etc. The Hawks would pick 14th. This would likely reduce the incentive to be bad, and would make all 82 games meaningful.
- scottak

Either an 8th seed that's likely to go nowhere, or picking first in the draft? A different kind of tank, but the temptation is real for enough teams for this to not work as intended.

Either an 8th seed that's likely to go nowhere, or picking first in the draft? A different kind of tank, but the temptation is real for enough teams for this to not work as intended.
- 333inthe3rd

Aren't the Panthers an 8th seed this season?

FWIW, there were 3 ex-Blackhawks on the ice for Toronto for the Panther's OT winner:
McCabe
Lafferty
Kampf
- scottak

Kampf and Eriksson led the Leafs in shots last night, which is less than ideal.

Either an 8th seed that's likely to go nowhere, or picking first in the draft? A different kind of tank, but the temptation is real for enough teams for this to not work as intended.
- 333inthe3rd

You're right
Instead of the crappiest teams tanking,you'll have the 7-9 seeds all blowing games on purpose
There is no perfect solution to the draft lottery,and I'm not sure there ever will be. So I'm fine with them leaving it as it is.

You will always need to hit on a few of your 1st round picks. Just look at the teams that make the playoffs and win Cups.
Then you need to find a few lower line players in your 2nd amd 3rd rounds.
And finally,you hope to luck out and find a player that takes a bit longer to develop in your later rounds,but turns out to be a nice player.

One thing I still don't like about some of the trades KD made, he specifically asked for picks from next year's draft and maybe even 2025? Why would you do that in a deep draft year? Try and land as many 1st and 2nd round picks this year. If the Hawks are lucky, 1-2 of their 2nd round picks turn into a 2nd line player and a 3rd line player, sort of the way Bolland was 2nd rd pick and 3rd line player.
No chance whatsoever that all of their 2nd round picks from this years draft will be 1st or 2nd line players.

Nhl tankathon
1-reset-5-reset-4-reset-5-reset-4-reset-4-reset-4-reset-5-reset-5-reset-1
Only the 1st and last count,right?
One thing I don't understand,is if the Hawks had the 3rd worst record,shouldn't they have the best odds to stay in their position of picking 3?

Nhl tankathon
1-reset-5-reset-4-reset-5-reset-4-reset-4-reset-4-reset-5-reset-5-reset-1
Only the 1st and last count,right?
One thing I don't understand,is if the Hawks had the 3rd worst record,shouldn't they have the best odds to stay in their position of picking 3?
- captainserious

No, if you think about it, Anahiem and Columbus would have to win the two spins for that to happen. If anyone besides those two win the spins, everyone moves down a spot.

That's why #4 is most viable, odds are one of the two at least win a spin

No, if you think about it, Anahiem and Columbus would have to win the two spins for that to happen. If anyone besides those two win the spins, everyone moves down a spot.

That's why #4 is most viable, odds are one of the two at least win a spin
- vabeachbear

I think I get it.
I can't remember anymore, but is there a way of knowing ahead of time where the Hawks might pick?
Like when they moved from 12 to 3 to get Dach?
If you knew they weren't going to pick 12 did that automatically mean they were picking top 3,4 etc..and did that mean that another team coudln't land the #1 pick?

Are we feeling lucky?
Cracking open a birthday brew now to prepare

As we prepare for the lottery, there are a numbers of proposals that have been floated for the 4 major North American sports to help prevent tanking. Are you interested in any?

1. MLB doesn't allow the trading of draft picks. Trades have to be players for prospects. Hasn't really stopped teams from trading off players for prospects.

2. Have each team pick in every draft slot once, before repeating. For the NHL it would work like this. Over 32 years, each team would pick in each draft slot once. The slot would be assigned randomly before each draft. One #1 pick every 32 years, one #2 pick every 32 years, etc.

3. No player draft, make each draft age eligible player a free agent. The Fortune 50 doesn't hold a draft of Ivy League MBAs, why should NBA, MLB, NHL, NFL?

4. (my favorite) The team that misses the playoffs with the best record gets the 1st pick, the next best record the 2nd, and so on. The playoff teams come in order as under the current system. So this year, 1. CLG, 2. NSH, 3. PIT, etc. The Hawks would pick 14th. This would likely reduce the incentive to be bad, and would make all 82 games meaningful.
- scottak

Kind of like #2, but with a slight mod: Rotate 1st 8, 2nd 8, 3rd 8, 4th 8 by division. So every 4 years the Central would get picks 1-8, next year 9-16, etc. and could choose to give the division's picks in reverse order of finish.

So every team gets a top 8, 2nd 8, 3rd 8, and 4th 8 pick every 4 years. I think I would do all the rounds this way too.

I think I get it.
I can't remember anymore, but is there a way of knowing ahead of time where the Hawks might pick?
Like when they moved from 12 to 3 to get Dach?
If you knew they weren't going to pick 12 did that automatically mean they were picking top 3,4 etc..and did that mean that another team coudln't land the #1 pick?
- captainserious

Put it this way. If the lottery gets trough the third pick and the Hawks placard hasn’t come up, that’s a real good thing. That goes for any team, if their number isn’t called where they sit in the draft, said team is moving up.

I think I get it.
I can't remember anymore, but is there a way of knowing ahead of time where the Hawks might pick?
Like when they moved from 12 to 3 to get Dach?
If you knew they weren't going to pick 12 did that automatically mean they were picking top 3,4 etc..and did that mean that another team coudln't land the #1 pick?
- captainserious

It is different than when Hawks jumped to 3 I believe.

The simplest explanation I heard was;

There are two "spins".

1st spin, all teams are included. Winning team gets 1st pick, unless its a team past 11, they can only move up 10 spots. Believe in this case, Anaheim awarded 1st pick.

2nd spin only the remaining teams less the teams who can only move up 10 spots, spot, winner of 2nd spin gets 2nd pick.

Remaining teams are placed in order of the finished order as it is right now.

It is different than when Hawks jumped to 3 I believe.

The simplest explanation I heard was;

There are two "spins".

1st spin, all teams are included. Winning team gets 1st pick, unless its a team past 11, they can only move up 10 spots. Believe in this case, Anaheim awarded 1st pick.

2nd spin only the remaining teams less the teams who can only move up 10 spots, spot, winner of 2nd spin gets 2nd pick.

Remaining teams are placed in order of the finished order as it is right now.
- vabeachbear

Got it,thanks for the explanation

How does the actual lottery work?

A set of 14 pingpong balls are placed in a lottery machine, which allows for 1,001 combinations. Each team in the lottery is assigned a set of random four-number combinations. The worse a team's record, the more combinations they are assigned; so the team with the worst record this past season, the Anaheim Ducks, gets 185, representing an 18.5% chance of winning the first lottery draw.

An accounting firm runs the process for the league, and it keeps tabs on which teams are lined up with each combination; there is also one combination that is deleted from the proceedings (to make it an even 1,000 instead of 1,001).

The first draw of pingpong balls determines the No. 1 pick, based on the assigned combinations. However, since a set of rule changes in 2021, a team can move up a maximum of 10 spots in the order; therefore, if a team in spot Nos. 12-16 wins the first draw, they move up accordingly, and the team lowest in the standings (in this year's case, the Ducks) slots in at No. 1.

There is then a second draw, to determine the next possible spot, using similar rules as the first. Similarly, a team in spot Nos. 13-16 can still move up only 10 slots, so they would move up accordingly and the next lowest available team in the standings would get pick No. 2.

Regardless of which teams win the draft lottery draws, picks in Rounds 2-7 are in reverse order of the final standings following the playoffs.

This is basically what VBB mentioned above.

How does the actual lottery work?

A set of 14 pingpong balls are placed in a lottery machine, which allows for 1,001 combinations. Each team in the lottery is assigned a set of random four-number combinations. The worse a team's record, the more combinations they are assigned; so the team with the worst record this past season, the Anaheim Ducks, gets 185, representing an 18.5% chance of winning the first lottery draw.

An accounting firm runs the process for the league, and it keeps tabs on whichteams are lined up with each combination; there is also one combination that is deleted from the proceedings (to make it an even 1,000 instead of 1,001).

The first draw of pingpong balls determines the No. 1 pick, based on the assigned combinations. However, since a set of rule changes in 2021, a team can move up a maximum of 10 spots in the order; therefore, if a team in spot Nos. 12-16 wins the first draw, they move up accordingly, and the team lowest in the standings (in this year's case, the Ducks) slots in at No. 1.

There is then a second draw, to determine the next possible spot, using similar rules as the first. Similarly, a team in spot Nos. 13-16 can still move up only 10 slots, so they would move up accordingly and the next lowest available team in the standings would get pick No. 2.

Regardless of which teams win the draft lottery draws, picks in Rounds 2-7 are in reverse order of the final standings following the playoffs.

This is basically what VBB mentioned above.
- Angotti

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The Canucks were fined $50,000 for holding on-ice sessions after the season was over. The timeframe was April 17-23 and there were 3 players involved.

How does the actual lottery work?

A set of 14 pingpong balls are placed in a lottery machine, which allows for 1,001 combinations. Each team in the lottery is assigned a set of random four-number combinations. The worse a team's record, the more combinations they are assigned; so the team with the worst record this past season, the Anaheim Ducks, gets 185, representing an 18.5% chance of winning the first lottery draw.

An accounting firm runs the process for the league, and it keeps tabs on which teams are lined up with each combination; there is also one combination that is deleted from the proceedings (to make it an even 1,000 instead of 1,001).

The first draw of pingpong balls determines the No. 1 pick, based on the assigned combinations. However, since a set of rule changes in 2021, a team can move up a maximum of 10 spots in the order; therefore, if a team in spot Nos. 12-16 wins the first draw, they move up accordingly, and the team lowest in the standings (in this year's case, the Ducks) slots in at No. 1.

There is then a second draw, to determine the next possible spot, using similar rules as the first. Similarly, a team in spot Nos. 13-16 can still move up only 10 slots, so they would move up accordingly and the next lowest available team in the standings would get pick No. 2.

Regardless of which teams win the draft lottery draws, picks in Rounds 2-7 are in reverse order of the final standings following the playoffs.

This is basically what VBB mentioned above.
- Angotti

I had this part wrong, I thought I heard that teams 13-16 weren't in the second draw.

I'm waiting until 7 pm Eastern, one hour before for my final 1 spin

FWIW, there were 3 ex-Blackhawks on the ice for Toronto for the Panther's OT winner:
McCabe
Lafferty
Kampf
- scottak

Gus was absent
Watching what happens in Pittsburgh. If Bowman really does land there, he could finally begin a significant rebuild by trading Letang and Guentzel if there contracts are bad then little return or no trade. Gus could fill the void for one year on a cheap contract…..Crosby may retire a Penguin and the diminishing return but still good Malkin might be difficult to trade