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Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 8 @ 10:39 AM ET
We are drafting Bedard
- WaterBoy

Symba's draft list

Bedard
Fantilli
Carlsson
Smith
Michkov
Moore
Dvorsky
Leonard
Wood

Let's see where the lottery draft are.

Outside of Bedard, I think the Habs will draft for size and talent, hence why Benson slips on my list
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 8 @ 10:41 AM ET
other than 1 (Bedard) or 2 (your boy), does it matter all that much where mtl pick, 5 , 6 or 7?

How many times have we seen the best player coming right after another team made his pick?

unless there is a huge drop after the said top 5

- deadpoulet

top 2 are obvious game changers, after that...yeah there is a drop and things are not as obvious. the earlier the pick is, the more options HuGo have.
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

May 8 @ 10:47 AM ET
top 2 are obvious game changers, after that...yeah there is a drop and things are not as obvious. the earlier the pick is, the more options HuGo have.
- Symba007


sure, but they should be able to pick a good player around that spot, be it 5, 6, or 7.


Now the panthers pick is another story, but theres noting we can do about that. I guess we should be happy to get another pick in the first round, late or not.

En passant, est-ce que cest certain maintenant que le CH va repêcher en 2024 avec le premier choix de Calgary ou ça pourrait aller en 2025 aussi?
AGalchenyuk27
Location: He was responsible for the term “Gordie Howe hat trick”, where a player scored a goal, added an , NB
Joined: 02.05.2013

May 8 @ 10:48 AM ET
Symba's draft list

Bedard
Fantilli
Carlsson
Smith
Michkov
Moore
Dvorsky
Leonard
Wood

Let's see where the lottery draft are.

Outside of Bedard, I think the Habs will draft for size and talent, hence why Benson slips on my list

- Symba007



Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin!
Joined: 08.31.2014

May 8 @ 10:51 AM ET
Arizona
- deadpoulet


Then traded to Toronto for Matthews.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

May 8 @ 10:53 AM ET
sure, but they should be able to pick a good player around that spot, be it 5, 6, or 7.


Now the panthers pick is another story, but theres noting we can do about that. I guess we should be happy to get another pick in the first round, late or not.

En passant, est-ce que cest certain maintenant que le CH va repêcher en 2024 avec le premier choix de Calgary ou ça pourrait aller en 2025 aussi?

- deadpoulet


too soon to say. have to wait for the end of next season, maybe even the 2025 one.
Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin!
Joined: 08.31.2014

May 8 @ 10:54 AM ET

- AGalchenyuk27


Damn I loved that character... first on SOAP and then on Benson.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 8 @ 10:56 AM ET
sure, but they should be able to pick a good player around that spot, be it 5, 6, or 7.


Now the panthers pick is another story, but theres noting we can do about that. I guess we should be happy to get another pick in the first round, late or not.

En passant, est-ce que cest certain maintenant que le CH va repêcher en 2024 avec le premier choix de Calgary ou ça pourrait aller en 2025 aussi?

- deadpoulet


2024
If the Flames’ first-round selection falls between 20th and 32nd overall, Montreal has the option to take this instead of waiting for a later conditional pick. They must enact this option 48 hours before the start of the draft. (If this happens, things get much simpler in the following two years.)

2025
Okay, here’s where things get wacky.
The Flames get Florida’s 2025 first-round pick (from the Matthew Tkachuk trade) if (a) Florida’s 2024 first-rounder is not top 10 (and goes to Philadelphia in the Claude Giroux trade) AND (b) Florida’s 2025 first-round pick is not top 10 (and Florida keeps it). If so, Calgary’s 2025 fourth-round pick goes to Florida. (Editor’s note: Barring Florida becoming bad at hockey suddenly, this is probably the most likely scenario.]
If the Flames get Florida’s pick AND their own pick is top 10, then Montreal gets Florida’s pick. If Calgary’s pick isn’t top 10, then Montreal gets whichever of the two picks is earlier.
If the Flames don’t get Florida’s pick because it was traded to Philadelphia (e.g., Florida’s 2024 first-rounder was top 10), then Calgary’s 2025 first-rounder goes to Montreal (unless it’s first overall) and Montreal also gets Calgary’s 2025 fourth-rounder if Florida’s pick is earlier than Calgary’s. (If Calgary’s 2025 first-rounder is first overall, their 2025 third-rounder goes to Montreal but they keep the first overall pick.)
The most likely scenario is that neither of Calgary or Florida’s picks are top 10, so Montreal gets whichever 2025 first-rounder is earlier between the two the Flames would probably have at this point.

2026
If both of Florida’s 2024 and 2025 picks are top 10, then the Flames get Florida’s 2026 first-round pick and Calgary’s 2026 fourth-round pick goes to Florida.
If Calgary’s 2025 first-rounder was first overall, then their 2026 first-rounder goes to Montreal.
Here’s the rub, friends: under league rules, teams cannot trade away picks that they may need to move as part of a condition in another trade. So the Flames are somewhat handcuffed in their future swaps due to these transactions.


That said, you have to give to get, and the Flames likely feel that their reduced flexibility is worth the player(s) they received in return.
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

May 8 @ 10:58 AM ET
Then traded to Toronto for Matthews.
- Mashadar

they could get him for ''free'' as a UFA
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

May 8 @ 11:01 AM ET
2024
If the Flames’ first-round selection falls between 20th and 32nd overall, Montreal has the option to take this instead of waiting for a later conditional pick. They must enact this option 48 hours before the start of the draft. (If this happens, things get much simpler in the following two years.)

2025
Okay, here’s where things get wacky.
The Flames get Florida’s 2025 first-round pick (from the Matthew Tkachuk trade) if (a) Florida’s 2024 first-rounder is not top 10 (and goes to Philadelphia in the Claude Giroux trade) AND (b) Florida’s 2025 first-round pick is not top 10 (and Florida keeps it). If so, Calgary’s 2025 fourth-round pick goes to Florida. (Editor’s note: Barring Florida becoming bad at hockey suddenly, this is probably the most likely scenario.]
If the Flames get Florida’s pick AND their own pick is top 10, then Montreal gets Florida’s pick. If Calgary’s pick isn’t top 10, then Montreal gets whichever of the two picks is earlier.
If the Flames don’t get Florida’s pick because it was traded to Philadelphia (e.g., Florida’s 2024 first-rounder was top 10), then Calgary’s 2025 first-rounder goes to Montreal (unless it’s first overall) and Montreal also gets Calgary’s 2025 fourth-rounder if Florida’s pick is earlier than Calgary’s. (If Calgary’s 2025 first-rounder is first overall, their 2025 third-rounder goes to Montreal but they keep the first overall pick.)
The most likely scenario is that neither of Calgary or Florida’s picks are top 10, so Montreal gets whichever 2025 first-rounder is earlier between the two the Flames would probably have at this point.

2026
If both of Florida’s 2024 and 2025 picks are top 10, then the Flames get Florida’s 2026 first-round pick and Calgary’s 2026 fourth-round pick goes to Florida.
If Calgary’s 2025 first-rounder was first overall, then their 2026 first-rounder goes to Montreal.
Here’s the rub, friends: under league rules, teams cannot trade away picks that they may need to move as part of a condition in another trade. So the Flames are somewhat handcuffed in their future swaps due to these transactions.


That said, you have to give to get, and the Flames likely feel that their reduced flexibility is worth the player(s) they received in return.

- Symba007




Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 8 @ 11:02 AM ET
Pinto? Big center
- Symba007


I take Caufield over Pinto anyday.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 8 @ 11:03 AM ET
Symba's draft list

Bedard
Fantilli
Carlsson
Smith
Michkov
Moore
Dvorsky
Leonard
Wood

Let's see where the lottery draft are.

Outside of Bedard, I think the Habs will draft for size and talent, hence why Benson slips on my list

- Symba007


I'm gonna wait until posting my final list but I get the feeling Dvorsky might interest the Habs.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 8 @ 11:07 AM ET
I think you can make a case for Dach and Byram at least. Kakko maybe maybe not. I'd settle for let's say 8.
- Fredo


Dach has taken big steps but I'm not ready to say his value is over Caufield who was scoring at a 48 goal pace before getting injured.

Byram is good but I'm afraid his concussion history might have limited his development so far.
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: As-tu vu l’ostie de réalisateur de game de soccer de marde avec son ostie de caméra aérienne?
Joined: 03.16.2015

May 8 @ 11:10 AM ET
I'm gonna wait until posting my final list but I get the feeling Dvorsky might interest the Habs.
- Scabeh

Can't have Dvorak and Dvorsky sorry
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 8 @ 11:15 AM ET
Can't have Dvorak and Dvorsky sorry
- Fredo


What ever shall they do to solve this problem I wonder?
WaterBoy
Location: The opposite of what Pat says, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

May 8 @ 11:15 AM ET
What ever shall they do to solve this problem I wonder?
- Scabeh

Trade Dvo for TheWood
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: As-tu vu l’ostie de réalisateur de game de soccer de marde avec son ostie de caméra aérienne?
Joined: 03.16.2015

May 8 @ 11:17 AM ET
What ever shall they do to solve this problem I wonder?
- Scabeh

Easy solution would be to move the team to Houston

-G Bettman
WaterBoy
Location: The opposite of what Pat says, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

May 8 @ 1:25 PM ET
slowday
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: You are all perennial cynical sissies , ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

May 8 @ 1:26 PM ET
Easy solution would be to move the team to Houston

-G Bettman

- Fredo
anxiety to 8pm? or trying to get some work done before then
Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin!
Joined: 08.31.2014

May 8 @ 1:28 PM ET
anxiety to 8pm? or trying to get some work done before then
- Symba007


Anxiety?

More like one fo the few points of excitement to this season (sadly).

While I would love to move up, I have confidence that HuGo will make something good happen regardless.
Garfield512
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm a figment of your imagination.
Joined: 11.09.2006

May 8 @ 1:31 PM ET
anxiety to 8pm? or trying to get some work done before then
- Symba007

Bah, over the years I've learned not to worry about stuff I have no control over.

It will be what it will be.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 8 @ 1:34 PM ET
anxiety to 8pm? or trying to get some work done before then
- Symba007


I'm not stressed at all.

If we move up, amazing. If we don't, it's fine.
braidan
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: State of Corruption.
Joined: 09.27.2006

May 8 @ 1:38 PM ET
What will Symba do after the lottery? No more tankathon updates....
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 8 @ 1:43 PM ET
What will Symba do after the lottery? No more tankathon updates....
- braidan


He'll go back to his old antics of reverse jinxing the Habs.
mr.peanut
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Born Wearing Gold 2023-24: 6-0-0, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

May 8 @ 1:44 PM ET
What will Symba do after the lottery? No more tankathon updates....
- braidan

Hopefully it involves not posting here
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