To add to this there are some prospects who are pretty much off limits, Take TOR for example. They were looking to add at this and last yrs TDL and it's reported everyone wanted Kniess and TOR flat out said no, even for O'Rielly, who IMO is the best TDL add this yr, although I rank Meir right up there.

And we now see just how good Knies is and refusing to add him in any trade was a good move. Knies was a USHL kid by the way who slipped to rd 2 cuz some wondered about his skating. I always liked the kid, and IIRC gave Wiz a heads up on the kid, but did not think he'd be this good this fast. Great small area game with his quick hands and a high IQ in the USHL but the kid has gone farther faster than most anyone believed.

Anyway, IMO a Korchinski would fall into the category of we ain't moving this guy for anyone, much like Knies. Probably this yrs first 1st rounder would fall into that category too.
- Mr Ricochet

Don't blame Toronto their best players are currently in their prime, 25, 25, 27, 29, Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly, they cant wait anymore

Avs, 23, 25, 26, 29

Hughes is only 21, i would of waited till about 24, then Hirscheier would be 27, goalie would be 25, that 1st round pick you'd draft this year would be 21 by then and have a chance to help, Mercer 21 would be 24, to me i think this Meier move is going to eventually make you pick and choose who you keep in 3 years.

This is about trading for Fiala? Faber just finished his third NCAA season before joining the Wild this spring. Plus the Wild also got the 19th pick in that trade. The other question is what could they have done by doing nothing here and signing a free agent scorer. Hard to remember what the pool of free agents was.

And what's the future for Kopitar? Next year is his final year on the contract. He's 35 now. Also, what do they plan to do with Gavrikov and Korpisalo? They gave up a lot there, too, though I understand shedding Quick's cap hit was necessary to make deals.

ust trying to make sense out of the Kings' road map.
- 333inthe3rd

Fair question, and a fun one, 333. As mentioned, IMO it's as much art as it is science when to transistion from rebuild to win mode. Gonna be a fun day when KD and the organIzation decides it's time to flip the switch from rebuild to win now.

Indeed, the road map/path of a rebuild is crucial.

Fair question, and a fun one, 333. As mentioned, IMO it's as much art as it is science when to transistion from rebuild to win mode. Gonna be a fun day when KD and the organIzation decides it's time to flip the switch from rebuild to win now.

Indeed, the road map/path of a rebuild is crucial.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm really curious to see what happens in Ottawa with Cat.

And see if Snoop Dog or/ and Ryan Reynolds are the new owners

Schmid was a 5th Round pick & #3 all year
Amazing
- Colbyboy

Niemi and Binnington prove any unproven goalie can get hot.

I am not going to say it doesn't happen but the about it:

Detroit loves Carlsson and they are at slot #9.
The Blackhawks are basically trading out of a prime place to take anyone.

On my current board I have big skilled Dalibor Dvorsky sitting there. At their later pick #17 I have them taking big Callum Ritchie.

So you are trading a big fluid kid who so far has played wing but projects as a centre, for two centres. You solved you big centre problem(IF they turn out) and you now can use the rest of the picks for other positions.
Of course both these centres have facilitated up and down the boards due coproduction or intensity issues. Ritchie has been accused of never going in past the circle, lol!

To me neither Carlsson or Michkov, ONLY b/c of his current status signed and political issues, are worth as much as these two.

But, I do not see the Wings trading both #7 and #17 mostly because of what is on the board this year at 7 & 17.

Arizona want to give us #6 and #12? In a heartbeat!

At six you get an impact player and at 12 you have your puck of the litter up any name in #12-20
- wiz1901

Thought Dvorsky looked very good in U18s

If the Hawks do not get one of the lottery picks (Bedard or Fantilli), and enough teams fall in love with Carlsson or Michkov, perhaps there is a trade-down scenario? Just spit balling, Arizona or Detroit?
- LetsGoHawks

Detroit took a Russian last year as I recall?

I'm really curious to see what happens in Ottawa with Cat.

And see if Snoop Dog or/ and Ryan Reynolds are the new owners
- BetweenTheDots

I could see Cat going to Detroit for the later of their 1st round picks (18th overall) and the latest of their 2nd round picks (11th pick in the 2nd round). OR the later of their 1st round picks this year and next. They also have plenty of cap room.

Don't blame Toronto their best players are currently in their prime, 25, 25, 27, 29, Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly, they cant wait anymore

Avs, 23, 25, 26, 29

Hughes is only 21, i would of waited till about 24, then Hirscheier would be 27, goalie would be 25, that 1st round pick you'd draft this year would be 21 by then and have a chance to help, Mercer 21 would be 24, to me i think this Meier move is going to eventually make you pick and choose who you keep in 3 years.
- BetweenTheDots

In the meantime New Jersey is still playing and matches up well with Carolina. They did not trade their top 3 prospects, L. Hughes, Nemic, and, Holtz. I am sure if Fitzgerald thought the massive improvement in points this year was a mirage, he wouldn’t have traded for Meier. They have $35 mil. In cap space next year, and have Heishier and Hughes locked up long term. I just don’t see why you would wait to make that trade.

I could see Cat going to Detroit for the later of their 1st round picks (18th overall) and the latest of their 2nd round picks (11th pick in the 2nd round). OR the later of their 1st round picks this year and next. They also have plenty of cap room.
- -Doh-

I don’t think Stevie Y. Is going to pay how much ADB is going to ask for.

Blackhawks top 100 draft picks:

2020 - 4
2021 - 3 (+ Del Mastro at 104)
2022 - 8
2023 - 9
2024 - 6
2025 - 5

That's 36 players and does not count later choices that might pan out (Luypen, Safonov, Stjernborg, etc.). Generally they take 2 or maybe 3 years to get to the AHL level. By 2025 that is 25 players or more - more than a full roster.

Seems like there will be no more room at that point, and you have to start trading young guys - either for established players or more future draft picks. Can't have too many 1st contracts in the NHL or you won't reach the cap floor.

This is why I'm thinking the rebuild can happen faster than normal, but it will still require a lot of smart choices by the org.

Don't blame Toronto their best players are currently in their prime, 25, 25, 27, 29, Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Rielly, they cant wait anymore

Avs, 23, 25, 26, 29

Hughes is only 21, i would of waited till about 24, then Hirscheier would be 27, goalie would be 25, that 1st round pick you'd draft this year would be 21 by then and have a chance to help, Mercer 21 would be 24, to me i think this Meier move is going to eventually make you pick and choose who you keep in 3 years.
- BetweenTheDots

Why does it matter what the age of certain players is? If they are performing, they are performing. They have Hughes, Bratt, Hischier, Mercer, Tatar, Wood, Palat all playing quite well. The majority of their team is prime aged or older (for hockey players).

If I am following your logic, you would wait until certain players reach an arbitrary age before being aggressive and adding players to put the entire team over the top.

Aside from a slightly older overall blue line, CAR has a team that is basically the same age as NJ and you were ridiculing BINGO about CAR not ponying up for the exact same player (Meier).

Oooof

So much for the hottest and best goalies in the playoffs.

5 goals already in 1st period.

I'm sure they'll settle in though

EDIT: Make that 6 goals................

Oooof

So much for the hottest and best goalies in the playoffs.

5 goals already in 1st period.

I'm sure they'll settle in though
- vabeachbear

Oettinger is having a VERY bad 1st period.

Why does it matter what the age of certain players is? If they are performing, they are performing. They have Hughes, Bratt, Hischier, Mercer, Tatar, Wood, Palat all playing quite well. The majority of their team is prime aged or older (for hockey players).

If I am following your logic, you would wait until certain players reach an arbitrary age before being aggressive and adding players to put the entire team over the top.

Aside from a slightly older overall blue line, CAR has a team that is basically the same age as NJ and you were ridiculing BINGO about CAR not ponying up for the exact same player (Meier).
- Chunk

I thought Carolina has a really good blue line to win a SC, just needed secondary scoring, a player away

It doesn't matter Seattle is going to win it all

I do think age is important like Florida's team almost all of them are in their prime, and giving up futures so Barkov and Co can go chase a cup makes total sense

I thought Carolina has a really good blue line to win a SC, just needed secondary scoring, a player away

It doesn't matter Seattle is going to win it all

I do think age is important like Florida's team almost all of them are in their prime, and giving up futures so Barkov and Co can go chase a cup makes total sense
- BetweenTheDots

NJ was a point behind CAR in the regular season. Gave up slightly more goals and scored more. They had a better overall goal differential.

So aside from your feeling that CAR had a better backend, there is no reason to differentiate the teams from going after the same player, other than the arbitrary idea that specific players on the team are younger.

NJ was a point behind CAR in the regular season. Gave up slightly more goals and scored more. They had a better overall goal differential.

So aside from your feeling that CAR had a better backend, there is no reason to differentiate the teams from going after the same player, other than the arbitrary idea that specific players on the team are younger.
- Chunk

By his logic, Ottawa should of never given up a first for ADB (one year younger than Meier). Funny because everyone on this BOD thinks KD got fleeced on the deal.

NJ was a point behind CAR in the regular season. Gave up slightly more goals and scored more. They had a better overall goal differential.

So aside from your feeling that CAR had a better backend, there is no reason to differentiate the teams from going after the same player, other than the arbitrary idea that specific players on the team are younger.
- Chunk

I would of waited to make a move like this. Now they will have 7 players next year making about $50 million dollars, gave up 1 maybe 2 first round picks to pay a player more money who's older than my best player. I would of kept my draft picks and tried to continue to build the team within for the next couple of years.

If i was Carolina a team which has playoff experience my best forward is 25, 23 and 28 years old, have a very good blue line in their prime yes then i would of traded my futures to get Meier.

It's fine if it doesn't make sense to you but that's what i would of done.

By his logic, Ottawa should of never given up a first for ADB (one year younger than Meier). Funny because everyone on this BOD thinks KD got fleeced on the deal.
- LAHawk

They really shouldn't of traded for Cat

They really shouldn't of traded for Cat
- BetweenTheDots

And Montreal shouldn’t of traded for Dach?

And Montreal shouldn’t of traded for Dach?
- LAHawk

Habs are a mess so it doesn't really matter

Why does it matter what the age of certain players is? If they are performing, they are performing. They have Hughes, Bratt, Hischier, Mercer, Tatar, Wood, Palat all playing quite well. The majority of their team is prime aged or older (for hockey players).

If I am following your logic, you would wait until certain players reach an arbitrary age before being aggressive and adding players to put the entire team over the top.

Aside from a slightly older overall blue line, CAR has a team that is basically the same age as NJ and you were ridiculing BINGO about CAR not ponying up for the exact same player (Meier).
- Chunk

Change certain players to my best players.

Change arbitrary to certain

Change certain players to my best players.

Change arbitrary to certain
- BetweenTheDots

Kane and Toews were two of the best three forwards on the Hawks in 2010. Pretty sure they were both 21 maybe 22.

What reasoning do you have for this stance? It has nothing to do with me agreeing with your take. It’s the contradiction.

Joe Pavelski with 4 goals… that’s not bad…

Joe Pavelski with 4 goals… that’s not bad…
- Chief4Feathers

Welcome back Joe.

Domi 3 assists

Kane and Toews were two of the best three forwards on the Hawks in 2010. Pretty sure they were both 21 maybe 22.

What reasoning do you have for this stance? It has nothing to do with me agreeing with your take. It’s the contradiction.
- Chunk

The Blackhawks didn't give up any 1st round draft picks though, defense entering their prime, signed Hossa in FA. Kane and Toews were the youngest players on the team still on ELCs, so you had a bunch of 23 to 27 yo players, all that talent, we were stacked

When we traded all those players away, Kane and Toews were 24 years old when we had that incredible 3 year run.

I just think when you have a young team you have the advantage of signing and paying guys on ELCs why rush to the Cap

So what's the contradiction?

Maybe it just got lost in translation