Schmid was a 5th Round pick & #3 all year
Amazing

That play alone didn't make the difference. Devils were the better team overall and still win without that humiliating play by Fox.
- jfkst1

Well isn't that what playoff hockey is, capitalize on opponents mistakes? After that i forget how many odd man rushes the Devils had, it was quite a few and fwiw, it was the game winning goal.

Because the Rangers went all in this year with the Tarasanko/ Kane trade, especially the cap gyrations they had to do to fit in Kane. Kings trade for Krposalo/Gabrikov, I expect one or both to be signed and be on the team next year, that fill a long term need.

And the management of the Rangers who sent the rebuild letter (Davidson and Gorton) were fired, and Drury based on the moves he made at the TDL has taken them in another direction.

I don't expect you to know about the Kings, but they are right where they expected to be at this point in their rebuild. And unfortunately for them, as the team management has said, Edmonton is not going anywhere, so to take the next step of course they will need to beat them. How long did it take Toronto to get past the first round?
- LAHawk

Something i guess we will disagree on, i think you cheat your rebuild when you get close to the playoffs and then trade 1st round picks, i think NJ, Ottawa, LA, NJ didn't really help themselves as much as made their teams older by doing this. It's great LA got a player who puts up a point per game but they traded an 18 year old for a 26 year old. If one of these deals translates to a Cup then i am completely wrong, but until then i would of stayed the course

Because Florida Panthers had 92 points, right now they are at #17 and the Isles at #18 (93pts),Winnipeg at #19 and at #20 Tampa (98pts).

The winners in the second round are teams that made it to the conference finals....and since Florida is the only one of those teams playing,

FLORIDA can become either
the conference final loser and have to pick 29/30, or go on and win and get a pick 31 or 32.

That would re-arrange the order

17 Isles (93pts)
18 Winnipeg (95pts)
19 Tampa (98pts)
20 Seattle & Minny in flux because Seattle still playing could be another conference losers or winner
21
22 LA
rangers

Colorado <---these are the division winners
Vegas. <---these are the division winners unsure
Carolina. <---these are the division winners unsure on conference finals
Boston. <---these are the division winners


Playoff teams that did not win their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks
- wiz1901[/I] <--this is how it raises FLA slot
Playoff teams that won their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks

Thanks. I misunderstood. I thought it was done by rounds and not the conference final.

Something i guess we will disagree on, i think you cheat your rebuild when you get close to the playoffs and then trade 1st round picks, i think NJ, Ottawa, LA, NJ didn't really help themselves as much as made their teams older by doing this. It's great LA got a player who puts up a point per game but they traded an 18 year old for a 26 year old. If one of these deals translates to a Cup then i am completely wrong, but until then i would of stayed the course
- BetweenTheDots

The 18yo is a right handed defenseman of which the Kings already have 5 on the big club, Clarke coming in next year, and Gans is one of their top prospects playing in the A. i think Blake thought of that when he made that trade.

The 18yo is a right handed defenseman of which the Kings already have 5 on the big club, Clarke coming in next year, and Gans is one of their top prospects playing in the A. i think Blake thought of that when he made that trade.
- LAHawk

Or you could be the Sabres who had enough assets to make a move at the TDL to give the young team a lift in their fight for a playoff spot but decided to hoard their assets.
They could have easily made a move without really hurting the prospect pool or future prospect pool.

I think it depend on who you move assets to acquire. Using a 1st rd pick for a 26 year old is smart to me. WTF do I know, tho

The 18yo is a right handed defenseman of which the Kings already have 5 on the big club, Clarke coming in next year, and Gans is one of their top prospects playing in the A. i think Blake thought of that when he made that trade.
- LAHawk

I saw Clarke a couple of times live this year. Good skater and a real smart player but he’s not ready for the NHL just yet. He is physical but he’s not dominant physically, he’s a pretty skinny kid.

Or you could be the Sabres who had enough assets to make a move at the TDL to give the young team a lift in their fight for a playoff spot but decided to hoard their assets.
They could have easily made a move without really hurting the prospect pool or future prospect pool.

I think it depend on who you move assets to acquire. Using a 1st rd pick for a 26 year old is smart to me. WTF do I know, tho
- Elbows15

Sure but is this what you do now because you are a playoff team? Do you keep trading your 1st round picks to gain the advantage vs other teams?

I think the Sabres were the wiser team.

The 18yo is a right handed defenseman of which the Kings already have 5 on the big club, Clarke coming in next year, and Gans is one of their top prospects playing in the A. i think Blake thought of that when he made that trade.
- LAHawk

This is about trading for Fiala? Faber just finished his third NCAA season before joining the Wild this spring. Plus the Wild also got the 19th pick in that trade. The other question is what could they have done by doing nothing here and signing a free agent scorer. Hard to remember what the pool of free agents was.

And what's the future for Kopitar? Next year is his final year on the contract. He's 35 now. Also, what do they plan to do with Gavrikov and Korpisalo? They gave up a lot there, too, though I understand shedding Quick's cap hit was necessary to make deals.

Just trying to make sense out of the Kings' road map.

This is about trading for Fiala? Faber just finished his third NCAA season before joining the Wild this spring. Plus the Wild also got the 19th pick in that trade. The other question is what could they have done by doing nothing here and signing a free agent scorer. Hard to remember what the pool of free agents was.

And what's the future for Kopitar? Next year is his final year on the contract. He's 35 now. Also, what do they plan to do with Gavrikov and Korpisalo? They gave up a lot there, too, though I understand shedding Quick's cap hit was necessary to make deals.

Just trying to make sense out of the Kings' road map.
- 333inthe3rd

Blake is actually looking to extend Kopitar, and Kopitar said he wants to be a King for life.

Blake also said he wants to sign both Gabrikov (who Doughty is lobbying hard to keep), and Korpisolo. Blake also said he knows that some of his UFA's and RFA's will have to go, but in his words:

Blake acknowledged the reality of the situation, which is that the cap will likely prevent the Kings from keeping everyone they’d like to keep and doing everything they’d like to do.

“I’d love to be able to bring that exact team that we had yesterday, full health, and run right through a whole season, but I know it’s not possible because of the cap situation and ultimately the amount of UFA’s and signings,” he admitted.

“We got to look at all these different options,” he said. “We have three UFA’s today, I can’t answer that right now. The salary cap will play a big part in what we do there.”

Sure but is this what you do now because you are a playoff team? Do you keep trading your 1st round picks to gain the advantage vs other teams?

I think the Sabres were the wiser team.
- BetweenTheDots

They could have made a move a kept their 1st round pick for someone who is young enough to be a part of their team for a few years.


If I have a team that is relatively young and I have a chance to get a player between 25-28 for a 18 year old or a 1st RD pick, I am making that move for a proven NHL player every time unless we are talking some unreal talent.

Look at the Rangers and all their 1st round picks who haven't amounted to squat. Laf, Kappo and Kravstov were all top 10 picks and they are kinda suck.

Sure but is this what you do now because you are a playoff team? Do you keep trading your 1st round picks to gain the advantage vs other teams?

I think the Sabres were the wiser team.
- BetweenTheDots

So at what point do you think it is proper to start trading for established talent? The Kings still have a quite highly regarded prospect pool. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for KD to move some of the D prospects or picks for forwards that are closer to the NHL or even established (a la TT). If they made a trade like that for a rental, that is one thing, but they got guys that they expect to be on the team for a number of years.

You can't just hope to bring up a team almost entirely made of young drafted players. You have to have some guys there that have been established for a while. The Oilers tried to do that and it took them 10 years - and a few GM's - to get even close.

If the Hawks do not get one of the lottery picks (Bedard or Fantilli), and enough teams fall in love with Carlsson or Michkov, perhaps there is a trade-down scenario? Just spit balling, Arizona or Detroit?

Welcome back to the jungle.

RIP Gordon Lightfoot.
- powerenforcer

Wondered why Boomer was playing Gordon songs on XMSirius NHL today

If the Hawks do not get one of the lottery picks (Bedard or Fantilli), and enough teams fall in love with Carlsson or Michkov, perhaps there is a trade-down scenario? Just spit balling, Arizona or Detroit?
- LetsGoHawks

I am not going to say it doesn't happen but the about it:

Detroit loves Carlsson and they are at slot #9.
The Blackhawks are basically trading out of a prime place to take anyone.

On my current board I have big skilled Dalibor Dvorsky sitting there. At their later pick #17 I have them taking big Callum Ritchie.

So you are trading a big fluid kid who so far has played wing but projects as a centre, for two centres. You solved you big centre problem(IF they turn out) and you now can use the rest of the picks for other positions.
Of course both these centres have facilitated up and down the boards due coproduction or intensity issues. Ritchie has been accused of never going in past the circle, lol!

To me neither Carlsson or Michkov, ONLY b/c of his current status signed and political issues, are worth as much as these two.

But, I do not see the Wings trading both #7 and #17 mostly because of what is on the board this year at 7 & 17.

Arizona want to give us #6 and #12? In a heartbeat!

At six you get an impact player and at 12 you have your puck of the litter up any name in #12-20

Now I have one for you:


The hawks lose the lottery and offer all top 4 picks for Bedard.

Yes / No


The hawks lose the 2nd lottery and offer all top 4 picks for Fantilli.

Yes / No

Blake is actually looking to extend Kopitar, and Kopitar said he wants to be a King for life.

Blake also said he wants to sign both Gabrikov (who Doughty is lobbying hard to keep), and Korpisolo. Blake also said he knows that some of his UFA's and RFA's will have to go, but in his words:

Blake acknowledged the reality of the situation, which is that the cap will likely prevent the Kings from keeping everyone they’d like to keep and doing everything they’d like to do.

“I’d love to be able to bring that exact team that we had yesterday, full health, and run right through a whole season, but I know it’s not possible because of the cap situation and ultimately the amount of UFA’s and signings,” he admitted.

“We got to look at all these different options,” he said. “We have three UFA’s today, I can’t answer that right now. The salary cap will play a big part in what we do there.”
- LAHawk

Wow, that is quite a logjam over this summer and next. It's too much to figure out from the comfort of my armchair. I have to subtract the salaries of the players not starting on the LA roster next year, and add in the salaries of those who get extended. Gavrikov should command at least what he was making on his last contract. Then Vilardi has to get something. And Korpisalo. I'm sure there are a few others. They will be busy this summer. It has to be both exciting and terrifying for a GM to navigate this one.

I am not going to say it doesn't happen but the about it:

Detroit loves Carlsson and they are at slot #9.
The Blackhawks are basically trading out of a prime place to take anyone.

On my current board I have big skilled Dalibor Dvorsky sitting there. At their later pick #17 I have them taking big Callum Ritchie.

So you are trading a big fluid kid who so far has played wing but projects as a centre, for two centres. You solved you big centre problem(IF they turn out) and you now can use the rest of the picks for other positions.
Of course both these centres have facilitated up and down the boards due coproduction or intensity issues. Ritchie has been accused of never going in past the circle, lol!

To me neither Carlsson or Michkov, ONLY b/c of his current status signed and political issues, are worth as much as these two.

But, I do not see the Wings trading both #7 and #17 mostly because of what is on the board this year at 7 & 17.

Arizona want to give us #6 and #12? In a heartbeat!

At six you get an impact player and at 12 you have your puck of the litter up any name in #12-20
- wiz1901

#6 and #12 for #4 and #20? DONE!

#9 and #17 for #4 and #20? PASS!

Now I have one for you:


The hawks lose the lottery and offer all top 4 picks for Bedard.

Yes / No


The hawks lose the 2nd lottery and offer all top 4 picks for Fantilli.

Yes / No
- wiz1901

If the draft is as strong as you say then I say no.

So at what point do you think it is proper to start trading for established talent? The Kings still have a quite highly regarded prospect pool. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for KD to move some of the D prospects or picks for forwards that are closer to the NHL or even established (a la TT). If they made a trade like that for a rental, that is one thing, but they got guys that they expect to be on the team for a number of years.

You can't just hope to bring up a team almost entirely made of young drafted players. You have to have some guys there that have been established for a while. The Oilers tried to do that and it took them 10 years - and a few GM's - to get even close.
- Chunk

If it was one of the last pieces sure, but for example, NJ trades for Meier, they are giving up a 1st this year and maybe next year, so you've traded 17 and 18 year old for 26 year old, then on top of it you have to sign him? $9 mil per next 8 years? Tavares deal looks better and better at least they didn't have to give up any draft picks.

And now you've created another gap in your system of drafting and developing players and you're on the fringe, Devils shocked me but thanks to a great pick of a 5th round goalie bailed their asses out. And who's to say would they have ever drafted him if they didn't have all those picks in the 1st few rounds for the last few years

Schmid was a 5th Round pick & #3 all year
Amazing
- Colbyboy

He could be catching lightning in a bottle or he can be the real deal. I would like to see a little more of him (like a year or two)

Now I have one for you:


The hawks lose the lottery and offer all top 4 picks for Bedard.

Yes / No


The hawks lose the 2nd lottery and offer all top 4 picks for Fantilli.

Yes / No
- wiz1901

1) Whoever wins the lottery will not trade Bedard. Pretty much no matter the offer.
2) I would not move give all 4 top picks to move up to draft Fantili.

I know it sounds crazy, but if we get pick 4 or 5 I would draft Michkov and then later in the first round Gulyayev. They are two very good players with some high risk and questionable availability dates. But we would be back in the bottom 3 next year. So the chance of getting Celebrini and Olsson along with Michkov and Gulyayev is high risk and high reward. Fun to consider.

So at what point do you think it is proper to start trading for established talent? The Kings still have a quite highly regarded prospect pool. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility for KD to move some of the D prospects or picks for forwards that are closer to the NHL or even established (a la TT). If they made a trade like that for a rental, that is one thing, but they got guys that they expect to be on the team for a number of years.

You can't just hope to bring up a team almost entirely made of young drafted players. You have to have some guys there that have been established for a while. The Oilers tried to do that and it took them 10 years - and a few GM's - to get even close.
- Chunk

Hopefully every rebuild gets to this point, when do you go from rebuild to time to win. And that is the 64,000 dollar question!! IMO it's as much art as it is science.

Draft picks, prospects and players are assets, each one needs to be used to make the organIzation better whether you keep them or move them for hopefully a better asset. . IMO a key is properly valuing your prospects/players and when the time comes utilize that asset. Over valuing your prospects/players only hinders progress.

But hopefully the time comes when it's decided we are in win now mode a Fiala, at 26 and is a pt per game player, is available for a prospect and a draft pick and the Fiala is signed long term. After all a Fiala is a known commodity and only a handful of prospects are, same for draft picks.

Something to watch as the rebuild goes by yr by yr. When is the decision made to win now and is the timing right. .......... Good post, Chunk.

Inserting Kevin Fiala to the top line with Anze Kopitar instantly would elevate the ceiling of the Kings, who wished they had someone like Fiala when they went up against the high-powered offense of the Edmonton Oilers in the first round of the 2022 Stanley Cup Playoffs. Despite the lack of firepower, the Kings managed to stretch that series to seven games. Just imagine if they had a stick like Fiala helping them combat Connor McDavid and company…

https://nhl.nbcsports.com...n-him-to-7-year-contract/

I guess they have to get more guys like Fiala, but it sounds like they are going to have trouble keeping their rentals

Maybe they'll take the league minimum because they want to win instead of making money

So at what point do you think it is proper to start trading for established talent?

- Chunk

To add to this there are some prospects who are pretty much off limits, Take TOR for example. They were looking to add at this and last yrs TDL and it's reported everyone wanted Kniess and TOR flat out said no, even for O'Rielly, who IMO is the best TDL add this yr, although I rank Meir right up there.

And we now see just how good Knies is and refusing to add him in any trade was a good move. Knies was a USHL kid by the way who slipped to rd 2 cuz some wondered about his skating. I always liked the kid, and IIRC gave Wiz a heads up on the kid, but did not think he'd be this good this fast. Great small area game with his quick hands and a high IQ in the USHL but the kid has gone farther faster than most anyone believed.

Anyway, IMO a Korchinski would fall into the category of we ain't moving this guy for anyone, much like Knies. Probably this yrs first 1st rounder would fall into that category too.