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Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 30 @ 10:03 AM ET
Saw the below on ESPN with possible GM candidates. If Chris is taking over, I can see Lou wanting to stay on for a year or two as President. Outside of that, no idea why Lou would want to stay on as this is a big job to get the Islanders being true contenders.


https://www.espn.com/nhl/...didates-nhl-coach-gm-jobs

- ses111

It’s going to be a long term plan if they are going for a full rebuild especially since we’ll be pushed out a year after giving up this years first. That’s unless he or someone else can find a way to get back into the first round which I have no idea how they’ll do that. Between Sorokin, Barzal, and now Horvat I will say chances are we aren’t going that route which to me will be just another huge misstep. You have to think that Horvat doesn’t commit long term unless he was promised we wouldn’t be heading into a rebuild after what he just left in Vancouver and good luck getting Sorokin to commit to a contract if that’s the plan.

The problem is we’re setup to continue adding middling players with the minimal salary space we will have and we won’t be adding any real good, cheap, young players because we don’t have the prospects or picks. This is EXACTLY what Lameriello did to the Devils on the way out and this is precisely why I was so against the Horvat trade.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 30 @ 10:13 AM ET
You are not trashing Lou at all Jimmy. There needs to be serious thought on a new GM. Let's be honest, Lou is not the future of the team.
- ses111

Who cares really? Is the guy absolved of any and all criticism? If that’s the case let me tell you anyone who has that mindset is probably going to to be changing their tune in the next couple of years. This team is set up to be at best a bubble team long term. Chances are we’re not picking in the first round in what’s being touted as the strongest draft since 2003. I would love to be surprised this off-season with some big changes and exciting additions to our lineup but when you really think about it there’s no realistic path to make that happen. Lameriello clearly painted himself into a corner and it’s self inflicted. He deserves criticism and he will rightfully get it in the near future.
Nfdbulldawg
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 30 @ 10:21 AM ET
You are not trashing Lou at all Jimmy. There needs to be serious thought on a new GM. Let's be honest, Lou is not the future of the team.
- ses111


The real question is who is out there? I do not think Chris Lam is the answer.

Eric Tulsky, Carolina Hurricanes assistant general manager
Rich Peverley, Dallas Stars Director of player personnel
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 30 @ 10:57 AM ET
The real question is who is out there? I do not think Chris Lam is the answer.

Eric Tulsky, Carolina Hurricanes assistant general manager
Rich Peverley, Dallas Stars Director of player personnel

- Nfdbulldawg


I sent the link from ESPN on possible GM picks. There is always someone available to hire. Might not be a lot of proven GM's. I would talk to Dean Lombardi. He had past success with the Sharks and Kings.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 30 @ 11:02 AM ET
It’s going to be a long term plan if they are going for a full rebuild especially since we’ll be pushed out a year after giving up this years first. That’s unless he or someone else can find a way to get back into the first round which I have no idea how they’ll do that. Between Sorokin, Barzal, and now Horvat I will say chances are we aren’t going that route which to me will be just another huge misstep. You have to think that Horvat doesn’t commit long term unless he was promised we wouldn’t be heading into a rebuild after what he just left in Vancouver and good luck getting Sorokin to commit to a contract if that’s the plan.

The problem is we’re setup to continue adding middling players with the minimal salary space we will have and we won’t be adding any real good, cheap, young players because we don’t have the prospects or picks. This is EXACTLY what Lameriello did to the Devils on the way out and this is precisely why I was so against the Horvat trade.

- Cptmjl


Islanders are not in a great spot for sure with the lack of high end prospects. If the Islanders could not get Meier before the Devils did, I would have held off making any big moves. Horvat seemed to be a panic move in many ways. Making the playoffs seemed like a must for Lou and the Islanders.

Lou did very much leave the Devils in the same way. Malkin and Ledecky need to seriouly think about things going forward.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 30 @ 11:06 AM ET
Who cares really? Is the guy absolved of any and all criticism? If that’s the case let me tell you anyone who has that mindset is probably going to to be changing their tune in the next couple of years. This team is set up to be at best a bubble team long term. Chances are we’re not picking in the first round in what’s being touted as the strongest draft since 2003. I would love to be surprised this off-season with some big changes and exciting additions to our lineup but when you really think about it there’s no realistic path to make that happen. Lameriello clearly painted himself into a corner and it’s self inflicted. He deserves criticism and he will rightfully get it in the near future.
- Cptmjl


Lou is running the whole show so he needs to take the heat when things do not work out. This is not a case with Lou lacking resources like previous Islander GM's. Lou called the shots. I doubt Malkin and Ledecky are picking the players and coaches. I cannot see many big moves available this offseason. This season may be about finding out about Wally, Holmstrom, and maybe Bolduc.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 30 @ 11:20 AM ET
Lou is running the whole show so he needs to take the heat when things do not work out. This is not a case with Lou lacking resources like previous Islander GM's. Lou called the shots. I doubt Malkin and Ledecky are picking the players and coaches. I cannot many big moves available this offseason. This season may be about finding out about Wally, Holmstrom, and maybe Bolduc.
- ses111

Like I said in my earlier post I doubt very much Horvat commits long term if Lameriello said there was a chance of a rebuild. You have to think that conversation came up before he signed his contract. We’re not the only people looking realistically at this team and understanding where they are at and where they are going. Whether that dictates what this team does or doesn’t do I don’t know. I believe Lameriello will be here this summer and he’s going to continue throwing as much sh!t at the wall as possible hoping for a different result. Maybe I’m wrong but if that is the case hopefully he can somehow find a way to make it work.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 30 @ 11:23 AM ET
Like I said in my earlier post I doubt very much Horvat commits long term if Lameriello said there was a chance of a rebuild. You have to think that conversation came up before he signed his contract. We’re not the only people looking realistically at this team and understanding where they are at and where they are going. Whether that dictates what this team does or doesn’t do I don’t know. I believe Lameriello will be here this summer and he’s going to continue throwing as much sh!t at the wall as possible hoping for a different result.
- Cptmjl


The big failure with this team has been the lack of acquiring players with speed and skill and the development of young players. Lou has not done a good job in keeping up with a changing league.
streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Apr 30 @ 11:45 AM ET
Saw the below on ESPN with possible GM candidates. If Chris is taking over, I can see Lou wanting to stay on for a year or two as President. Outside of that, no idea why Lou would want to stay on as this is a big job to get the Islanders being true contenders.


https://www.espn.com/nhl/...didates-nhl-coach-gm-jobs

- ses111

I see they lost women as coaxing candidates. Sorry but there’s no way I could identify with a women coach. Chauvinistic maybe, but just couldn’t see it.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 30 @ 11:49 AM ET
I see they lost women as coaxing candidates. Sorry but there’s no way I could identify with a women coach. Chauvinistic maybe, but just couldn’t see it.
- streaks

It’s ESPN of course they mentioned that. I’m surprised they didn’t suggest perhaps a transgender coach. Whatever I don’t want to break that glass ceiling.
streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Apr 30 @ 11:56 AM ET
It’s ESPN of course they mentioned that. I’m surprised they didn’t suggest perhaps a transgender coach. Whatever I don’t want to break that glass ceiling.
- Cptmjl

I’d prefer to see a younger Gm come into Lou’s spot, and not his son as he’s basically been calling some of the shots already. I don’t think they’re in that’s bad if a spot as some are alluding. We’re solid down the middle, goaltending and defense. Just need to add a legit goal scorer and bring back Fasching and Parise for depth positions. Wally will be back, he’s good for 20g’s. I’m not sure lane is best option to coach but he did get them into the playoffs missing Barzal and Pelwch for good chunks of the season
streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Apr 30 @ 11:57 AM ET
It’s ESPN of course they mentioned that. I’m surprised they didn’t suggest perhaps a transgender coach. Whatever I don’t want to break that glass ceiling.
- Cptmjl

Btw that’s pett funny. 😂😂
Nfdbulldawg
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 30 @ 12:03 PM ET
I sent the link from ESPN on possible GM picks. There is always someone available to hire. Might not be a lot of proven GM's. I would talk to Dean Lombardi. He had past success with the Sharks and Kings.
- ses111


I like these two guys based off where they were coming from, there strengths, and that they are young.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 30 @ 12:04 PM ET
I’d prefer to see a younger Gm come into Lou’s spot, and not his son as he’s basically been calling some of the shots already. I don’t think they’re in that’s bad if a spot as some are alluding. We’re solid down the middle, goaltending and defense. Just need to add a legit goal scorer and bring back Fasching and Parise for depth positions. Wally will be back, he’s good for 20g’s. I’m not sure lane is best option to coach but he did get them into the playoffs missing Barzal and Pelwch for good chunks of the season
- streaks

Yeah I hope he can somehow piece meal a competitive roster for next season. I don’t really see how that’s possible from where I’m sitting without looking at who is available UFA wise this up coming offseason. That’s even if we could sign them to begin with being that we historically have a hard time doing so. Also factoring in our limited cap space and assets I think it’s going to be real tough.

Have to figure they buy Bailey out at this point which will free up 2.5 million. Maybe they trade JG for a small return which would free up 5 million. That’s the only player I could see any other team actually wanting and like you said we have the center depth. Though if we did that we're committing to Barzal as a center again. I honestly don’t see a whole helluva lot being done for the reasons I mentioned. There’s just no way to make it happen. Maybe that changes but I’m not sure how.
Nfdbulldawg
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 30 @ 12:08 PM ET
I’d prefer to see a younger Gm come into Lou’s spot, and not his son as he’s basically been calling some of the shots already. I don’t think they’re in that’s bad if a spot as some are alluding. We’re solid down the middle, goaltending and defense. Just need to add a legit goal scorer and bring back Fasching and Parise for depth positions. Wally will be back, he’s good for 20g’s. I’m not sure lane is best option to coach but he did get them into the playoffs missing Barzal and Pelwch for good chunks of the season
- streaks


Agree with younger GM.
Agree with the spot of the team. Though we do need a top 6 D maybe two and a younger scorer.
Wally needs to stay healthy
Would give Lane another full season before I look to change. I think he was hampered by injuries.



ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 30 @ 12:09 PM ET
I like these two guys based off where they were coming from, there strengths, and that they are young.
- Nfdbulldawg


Maybe Mathieu Darche from Tampa as well. I think a new GM is the way to go at this point.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 30 @ 12:13 PM ET
Yeah I hope he can somehow piece meal a competitive roster for next season. I don’t really see how that’s possible from where I’m sitting without looking at who is available UFA wise this up coming offseason. That’s even if we could sign them to begin with being that we historically have a hard time doing so. Also factoring in our limited cap space and assets I think it’s going to be real tough.

Have to figure they buy Bailey out at this point which will free up 2.5 million. Maybe they trade JG for a small return which would free up 5 million. That’s the only player I could see any other team actually wanting and like you said we have the center depth. Though if we did that we're committing to Barzal as a center again. I honestly don’t see a whole helluva lot being done for the reasons I mentioned. There’s just no way to make it happen. Maybe that changes but I’m not sure how.

- Cptmjl


I would try to move JGP and maybe move Cal up to 3C. Play Otto or someone else as 4C. Bridge should have someone at this point to make a decent 4C. It's very hard to see the impact forward that can be acquired at this point to make a huge difference. I'd rather be able to trade Bailey if at all possible. This year the Islanders have to find out about more than a few young players.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 30 @ 12:16 PM ET
Agree with younger GM.
Agree with the spot of the team. Though we do need a top 6 D maybe two and a younger scorer.
Wally needs to stay healthy
Would give Lane another full season before I look to change. I think he was hampered by injuries.

- Nfdbulldawg



If a new GM is hired, I would let the GM make the call on Lane. I have no issue giving Lane a 2nd year. If Wally can stay healthy, he needs a long look this year. The days of quickly pulling young players from the lineup need to be over.
streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Apr 30 @ 12:16 PM ET
Yeah I hope he can somehow piece meal a competitive roster for next season. I don’t really see how that’s possible from where I’m sitting without looking at who is available UFA wise this up coming offseason. That’s even if we could sign them to begin with being that we historically have a hard time doing so. Also factoring in our limited cap space and assets I think it’s going to be real tough.

Have to figure they buy Bailey out at this point which will free up 2.5 million. Maybe they trade JG for a small return which would free up 5 million. That’s the only player I could see any other team actually wanting and like you said we have the center depth. Though if we did that we're committing to Barzal as a center again. I honestly don’t see a whole helluva lot being done for the reasons I mentioned. There’s just no way to make it happen. Maybe that changes but I’m not sure how.

- Cptmjl

They have durandau, Dufour and ishakov in the minors. One of them should be close, if not all pushing for spots soon. I don’t know, my head hurts right now plus I’ve had a few pops so I really don’t want to put too much thought into this, but I’m not as negative as you are on their chances for getting back into the playoffs next year.
Nfdbulldawg
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 30 @ 12:17 PM ET
Yeah I hope he can somehow piece meal a competitive roster for next season. I don’t really see how that’s possible from where I’m sitting without looking at who is available UFA wise this up coming offseason. That’s even if we could sign them to begin with being that we historically have a hard time doing so. Also factoring in our limited cap space and assets I think it’s going to be real tough.

Have to figure they buy Bailey out at this point which will free up 2.5 million. Maybe they trade JG for a small return which would free up 5 million. That’s the only player I could see any other team actually wanting and like you said we have the center depth. Though if we did that we're committing to Barzal as a center again. I honestly don’t see a whole helluva lot being done for the reasons I mentioned. There’s just no way to make it happen. Maybe that changes but I’m not sure how.

- Cptmjl


You have Otto Koivula,

Alexander Kerfoot-UFA
Andreas Athanasiou-UFA
Tyler Motte -UFA
J.T Compher -UFA


streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Apr 30 @ 12:20 PM ET
If a new GM is hired, I would let the GM make the call on Lane. I have no issue giving Lane a 2nd year. If Wally can stay healthy, he needs a long look this year. The days of quickly pulling young players from the lineup need to be over.
- ses111

Huh? Aren’t you the one that always says they never give the young guys a chance? If I’m mistaken I apologize.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 30 @ 12:21 PM ET
I would try to move JGP and maybe move Cal up to 3C. Play Otto or someone else as 4C. Bridge should have someone at this point to make a decent 4C. It's very hard to see the impact forward that can be acquired at this point to make a huge difference. I'd rather be able to trade Bailey if at all possible. This year the Islanders have to find out about more than a few young players.
- ses111

I assume you mean moving Casey up to 3C? If so I don’t agree with that. He’s not a third line center imo. Nobody is taking Bailey unless we include assets which we don’t have. Let’s face it, our young players are more then likely middling prospects. Wahlstrom has been a disappointment there’s no other way to look at that. Can he surprise? Sure, but that is about as far from a sure thing there is. Wotherspoon, Bolduc, Salo, I don’t really see as needle movers. Who knows maybe they do but again I don’t feel they’ll add a whole lot to the lineup next season.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 30 @ 12:22 PM ET
Agree with younger GM.
Agree with the spot of the team. Though we do need a top 6 D maybe two and a younger scorer.
Wally needs to stay healthy
Would give Lane another full season before I look to change. I think he was hampered by injuries.

- Nfdbulldawg


With Lou being 80 I would say finding a younger GM would be easy
I think Chris maybe the GM if Lou retires however if L and M want a fresh start then I don’t see Chris sticking around.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 30 @ 12:22 PM ET
Huh? Aren’t you the one that always says they never give the young guys a chance? If I’m mistaken I apologize.
- streaks



I do and I mean they cannot keep pulling young players from the lineup at the slightest mistake.
streaks
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.25.2018

Apr 30 @ 12:26 PM ET
I do and I mean they cannot keep pulling young players from the lineup at the slightest mistake.
- ses111

Oh! My bad. I translated that incorrectly! And I 100% agree with you. Although I do thing Lane has been far more forgiving than trotz was.
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