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ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 24 @ 10:02 PM ET
Devils retake home ice.
- JimmyP


Some were planning the parade after game 2. Credit to the Devils coach for not being afraid to make changes with the goalie. Lane can barely manage to change up the lines.
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

Apr 24 @ 10:34 PM ET
Some were planning the parade after game 2. Credit to the Devils coach for not being afraid to make changes with the goalie. Lane can barely manage to change up the lines.
- ses111


Lane changed them up last game.

Despite not having home ice I think the Rangers have the advantage. It will be close and fun to watch.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 24 @ 10:40 PM ET
Lane changed them up last game.

Despite not having home ice I think the Rangers have the advantage. It will be close and fun to watch.

- JimmyP


I heard he changed them up but when? Just seems Islanders are always late in make corrections whether it's the roster or lines. I hate the idea of maybe losing to the Canes again.

I have to think the home team has to win one of these games and hopefully it's the Devils next game.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 6:42 AM ET
Some were planning the parade after game 2. Credit to the Devils coach for not being afraid to make changes with the goalie. Lane can barely manage to change up the lines.
- ses111

I don’t think Lambert changing the goalie would’ve made a difference in this series. Sorokin didn’t have his best game in game 2 but I think it has more to do with our inability to score more then anything else. Last game the team just gave up after a couple of questionable calls. Also, our PP. I don’t think anything else needs to be said there.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 6:48 AM ET
I heard he changed them up but when? Just seems Islanders are always late in make corrections whether it's the roster or lines. I hate the idea of maybe losing to the Canes again.

I have to think the home team has to win one of these games and hopefully it's the Devils next game.

- ses111

He changed up the lines in game. This has more to do with our top 6 not performing and a lack of effort throughout the lineup imo. Also have to give credit to the Canes. They were missing some of their top players before the series and have lost some more during the series and they are still shutting us down with that depleted lineup.
Nfdbulldawg
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 25 @ 7:17 AM ET
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 25 @ 7:31 AM ET
I don’t think Lambert changing the goalie would’ve made a difference in this series. Sorokin didn’t have his best game in game 2 but I think it has more to do with our inability to score more then anything else. Last game the team just gave up after a couple of questionable calls. Also, our PP. I don’t think anything else needs to be said there.
- Cptmjl






Replacing Sorokin is the last thing I would do. The top two lines are not getting it done so I would have changed them up sooner. Only so much Lane can do with the lack of talent but you still have to try anything during a short series.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 25 @ 7:34 AM ET
He changed up the lines in game. This has more to do with our top 6 not performing and a lack of effort throughout the lineup imo. Also have to give credit to the Canes. They were missing some of their top players before the series and have lost some more during the series and they are still shutting us down with that depleted lineup.
- Cptmjl


It's just what I feared. Islanders do not match up against elite teams like the Canes and Tampa. Until the Islanders realize this is a skill and speed league now, they will not be a real Cup threat. Islanders are too easy to defend with the lack of speed. Would be a huge mistake to bring Lou back at 80 years old thinking he will change his ways.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 7:43 AM ET


Replacing Sorokin is the last thing I would do. The top two lines are not getting it done so I would have changed them up sooner. Only so much Lane can do with the lack of talent but you still have to try anything doing a short series.

- ses111

Yeah I think it has more to do with this then anything else. Couple that with a vet playoff team playing like it’s their first shot at the playoffs and you get what we’re watching right now. You see a player like Martin taking that completely unnecessary penalty like he did last game and you know the lineup needs some changes. That was the nail in the coffin when the canes scored on that PP. I fully expect Bailey to be in the lineup tonight. I won’t agree with it but it wouldn’t surprise me if he started Varlamov.
crdemartino
New York Islanders
Location: Severna Park, MD
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 25 @ 8:08 AM ET
So who goes and who stays as far as coaches and administration? Or are we still under the delusion that this team has any chance at winning 3 in a row?
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 25 @ 8:12 AM ET
Yeah I think it has more to do with this then anything else. Couple that with a vet playoff team playing like it’s their first shot at the playoffs and you get what we’re watching right now. You see a player like Martin taking that completely unnecessary penalty like he did last game and you know the lineup needs some changes. That was the nail in the coffin when the canes scored on that PP. I fully expect Bailey to be in the lineup tonight. I won’t agree with it but it wouldn’t surprise me if he started Varlamov.
- Cptmjl


I'm not sure Lane is the long term answer, but he does not have enough talent and should not be the fall guy if the Canes win. We can keep kidding ourselves thinking this team has enough talent to win the Cup or we can face facts.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 8:20 AM ET
I'm not sure Lane is the long term answer, but he does not have enough talent and should not be the fall guy if the Canes win. We can keep kidding ourselves thinking this team has enough talent to win the Cup or we can face facts.
- ses111

I’m unsure about Lambert. Haven’t agreed with some of what he does but that means nothing of course. It more then likely doesn’t matter what he does today with the lineup and I don’t think he could’ve done anything different in this series to change the likely outcome.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 25 @ 8:24 AM ET
I’m unsure about Lambert. Haven’t agreed with some of what he does but that means nothing of course. It more then likely doesn’t matter what he does today with the lineup and I don’t think he could’ve done anything different in this series to change the likely outcome.
- Cptmjl


I thought Lane was more willing to make changes earlier in the season. I've missed more Islander games this year than anything though. I just think during a short series, you have to be quicker in making adjustments. Might not matter but at least you tried.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 8:24 AM ET
So who goes and who stays as far as coaches and administration? Or are we still under the delusion that this team has any chance at winning 3 in a row?
- crdemartino

I’m going to go with nobody gets fired as far as management and coaches besides maybe assistants. Some minor tweaks to the lineup in the off-season not because there shouldn’t be an overhaul but because we have nothing to trade. That’s my prediction. Who knows maybe Ledecky surprises like he did when he canned Snow but I doubt it. I’ll also say I would be lying if there weren’t a little part of me that wasn’t hoping for a miracle in this series. I know it’s done but I can’t stop being a fan.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Apr 25 @ 8:36 AM ET
I’m going to go with nobody gets fired as far as management and coaches besides maybe assistants. Some minor tweaks to the lineup in the off-season not because there shouldn’t be an overhaul but because we have nothing to trade. That’s my prediction. Who knows maybe Ledecky surprises like he did when he canned Snow but I doubt it. I’ll also say I would be lying if there weren’t a little part of me that wasn’t hoping for a miracle in this series. I know it’s done but I can’t stop being a fan.
- Cptmjl


We always want the team to win, but the Canes scare me. It was a few years ago, but still a lot of Islander players left from that series and they are even older now. Barzal missing all those games has not helped.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 9:45 AM ET
We always want the team to win, but the Canes scare me. It was a few years ago, but still a lot of Islander players left from that series and they are even older now. Barzal missing all those games has not helped.
- ses111

This is the least scary version of the Canes we’ve faced the last few years imo. Especially when factoring in the injuries they have right now. The fact that the Islanders have done nothing to capitalize on that is incredibly frustrating. They’ve kept it close for the most part but they lost that extra gear that’s necessary to win the playoffs which was real evident last game.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 25 @ 9:46 AM ET
This is the least scary version of the Canes we’ve faced the last few years imo. Especially when factoring in the injuries they have right now. The fact that the Islanders have done nothing to capitalize on that is incredibly frustrating. They’ve kept it close for the most part but they lost that extra gear that’s necessary to win the playoffs which was real evident last game.
- Cptmjl

If they had a halfway decent PP they'd probably be leading, or tied at the very least, in this series. The atrocious PP has completely sunk them.
Mancalledsting
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 25 @ 9:54 AM ET
This is the least scary version of the Canes we’ve faced the last few years imo. Especially when factoring in the injuries they have right now. The fact that the Islanders have done nothing to capitalize on that is incredibly frustrating. They’ve kept it close for the most part but they lost that extra gear that’s necessary to win the playoffs which was real evident last game.
- Cptmjl

What was said after the LAST time the Isles lost to the Canes in the playoffs was that they didn't have enough scoring. Fast forward to the present and it's the same problem. Plus now the PP is even WORSE. The all around lack of offense from the top 6 is sinking this team.
Mancalledsting
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 25 @ 9:55 AM ET
If they had a halfway decent PP they'd probably be leading, or tied at the very least, in this series. The atrocious PP has completely sunk them.
- eichiefs9

With a BAD pp instead of an atrocious one, the series would be tied. With an AVERAGE one, the Isles would probably be in the lead.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 10:14 AM ET
If they had a halfway decent PP they'd probably be leading, or tied at the very least, in this series. The atrocious PP has completely sunk them.
- eichiefs9

Yep. I think we’ve had 12 opportunities to the Canes 19 but if we score on two or three more of those PP’s we most likely win one or two more games…
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Apr 25 @ 10:15 AM ET
I’m unsure about Lambert. Haven’t agreed with some of what he does but that means nothing of course. It more then likely doesn’t matter what he does today with the lineup and I don’t think he could’ve done anything different in this series to change the likely outcome.
- Cptmjl


Yeah, I have a tough time blaming things on Lambert. I haven't agreed with everything he's done, but I've liked a few things also. I say all this as someone who was 1,000% against firing Trotz. I'm not sure players like Holmstrom, Aho, Fasching, Bolduc, etc. would have been given the opportunities they got if Trotz was still coaching. I'm not sure Bailey finally gets scratched for longer than a single game under Trotz. The D obviously had more of a green light this season compared to last, and that probably was the difference between making the playoffs and not.

Ultimately, I'm not sure what miracles Lambert was expected to perform. A lot of the deficiencies we all knew this team had are still present. I don't think Lambert can will more creativity into an offense that's just not very creative in its make-up. Both Trotz and Lambert recognized that this team has to play a very specific way to grind out wins, and there's always just a razor's-edge difference between success and failure with that method.

Ultimately, if the Isles don't make a comeback in this series and Lambert is the sacrificial lamb (sacrificial Lamb-ert?), then I think that's a mistake. If he goes, then the whole team should be re-imagined for a new coach. If they're just going to keep virtually all the same players and try again, then they should keep the coach who knows the team and knows how it has to play to win.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Apr 25 @ 10:25 AM ET
Yep. I think we’ve had 12 opportunities to the Canes 19 but if we score on two or three more of those PP’s we most likely win one or two more games…
- Cptmjl

We are 1/12 on the PP for a playoff-low 8.3%
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 10:27 AM ET
Yeah, I have a tough time blaming things on Lambert. I haven't agreed with everything he's done, but I've liked a few things also. I say all this as someone who was 1,000% against firing Trotz. I'm not sure players like Holmstrom, Aho, Fasching, Bolduc, etc. would have been given the opportunities they got if Trotz was still coaching. I'm not sure Bailey finally gets scratched for longer than a single game under Trotz. The D obviously had more of a green light this season compared to last, and that probably was the difference between making the playoffs and not.

Ultimately, I'm not sure what miracles Lambert was expected to perform. A lot of the deficiencies we all knew this team had are still present. I don't think Lambert can will more creativity into an offense that's just not very creative in its make-up. Both Trotz and Lambert recognized that this team has to play a very specific way to grind out wins, and there's always just a razor's-edge difference between success and failure with that method.

Ultimately, if the Isles don't make a comeback in this series and Lambert is the sacrificial lamb (sacrificial Lamb-ert?), then I think that's a mistake. If he goes, then the whole team should be re-imagined for a new coach. If they're just going to keep virtually all the same players and try again, then they should keep the coach who knows the team and knows how it has to play to win.

- UIF

This is exactly what the organization SHOULD NOT do. How many more times do we give this group a chance while they get older? With that said it wouldn’t shock me in the least if they do exactly this if Lameriello is our GM.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Apr 25 @ 10:30 AM ET
We are 1/12 on the PP for a playoff-low 8.3%
- eichiefs9

Absolutely brutal. Canes have a great PK but it has more to do with the complete lack of effort on our PP. That’s more on the players to me.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 25 @ 10:34 AM ET
Horvat sucks! Ladd 3.0 (Palms Ladd 2.0)

We are missing a top 6 winger!

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