[quote=TartanBill]Not crazy, but he is older, his 2022 stats don't compare well to either DeSmith or Korpisalo, nor do his career numbers stand out.
It kind of highlights the limited choices this year.

I hope they do not resign Archibald, dumo, heinen. Who would take desmith's contract? Or do you bury him in the minors? Waive him? Zucker is in line for a payday. I hope the pens dont give it to him. Is there any way to unload granlund? petry? I am hopeful the kulikov and bonino experiments are over since they never really started.

what about a goalie like Adin Hill? Or Korpisalo?

I hope they do not resign Archibald, dumo, heinen. Who would take desmith's contract? Or do you bury him in the minors? Waive him? Zucker is in line for a payday. I hope the pens dont give it to him. Is there any way to unload granlund? petry? I am hopeful the kulikov and bonino experiments are over since they never really started.
- i'mjustafan

If they buy out Granlund, his cap hit is only 833k for next year. 1.8 mil for the 3 years after that. That's a no brianer IMO. F Hextall.

what about a goalie like Adin Hill? Or Korpisalo?
- i'mjustafan

I think Adin Hill would be a good goalie to grab and shouldn’t cost more than Jarry. Also think a Raanta/Jarry combo could be decent

what about a goalie like Adin Hill? Or Korpisalo?
- i'mjustafan

https://www.capfriendly.c.../injury/players/adin-hill

Hill should fit in with the Pens.

https://www.capfriendly.com/injury/players/adin-hill

Hill should fit in with the Pens.
- Thunderbolt

hahaha wow. Yeah, him and Jarry would be quite the tandem. Goalie injury roulette....night in, night out.

As Ive stated before I'm down with Jarry again IF DeSmith is gone AND Jarry's new contract doesn't cost a penny more than this season.

I'm not so sure any GM in the league is going to give Jarry a big raise over last season + term.

You might be looking at something like five years for 8M per season.
- Ryan_Wilson

re: Guentzel

If you can somehow magically sign him for that, then by all means do it.

I imagine they are not ready to make the jump to nhl yet, but I thought Blomqvist & Lindberg were supposed to be high end goalie prospects. What’s the story w/ either of them?

I imagine they are not ready to make the jump to nhl yet, but I thought Blomqvist & Lindberg were supposed to be high end goalie prospects. What’s the story w/ either of them?
- wsldck

Haase does a nice pipeline series on DK's site.

Here's the goalies. None are ready.

Joel Blomqvist
Size: 6-2/183
Catches: Left
Drafted: 2020, second round
Age: 21
Team: Karpat (Liiga), Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (AHL)
Season totals: 21 games, 2.29 GAA, .907 SV% (regular season), 3 game, 3.69 GAA, .848 SV% (playoffs)

Blomqvist joined Wilkes-Barre after his Liiga season ended and signed his entry-level deal for next season. More on that here. He has been practicing with the team but has yet to play.

Taylor Gauthier
Size: 6-2/207
Catches: Right
Drafted: Free agent signing
Age: 21
Team: Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins (AHL), Wheeling Nailers (ECHL)
Season totals: 20 games, 2.71 GAA, .907 SV% (AHL), 16 games, 3.09 GAA, .896 SV%, 1 shutout (ECHL)

Gauthier started two games for Wilkes-Barre.

Filip Lindberg
Size: 6-1/194
Catches: Left
Drafted: Free agent signing
Age: 23
Team: Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins (AHL)
Season totals: 19 games, 3.13 GAA, .896 SV%

Lindberg has been sidelined with an upper-body injury since Feb. 11. He's considered day-to-day.

One more...

Sergei Murashov
Size: 6-0/167
Catches: Right
Drafted: 2022, fourth round
Age: 18
Team: Loko Yaroslavl (MHL), Lokomotiv (KHL)
Season totals: 42 games, 1.53 GAA, .948 SV%, 11 shutouts (MHL regular season), 1 game, 1.00 GAA, .947 SV% (KHL), 10 games, 2.07 GAA, .932 SV% (MHL playoffs)

Murashov's team was swept in the best-of-five conference finals in the Russian junior league. Murashov was in net for all three losses. He stopped 27 of 30 shots in Game 1, 25 of 28 shots in Game 2, and 20 of 22 shots in Game 3.

I hope Fenway have a good honest look at this team. It's tear down time. Complete. To the studs. Deal away anyone not named Crosby. Dumb deals given to your other aging two. No goalies. No defense. Not much second or third line presence. This is why front office just got shown the door. The devil's advocate to that would say "ya but look what Boston just did". Ok maybe, but they have way WAY more foundational pieces to build around--and get away with a re-tool rather than a rebuild.

Not a word from you all about Frank Serevelli talking out his ass about Kyle Dubas inline to be your next GM ? Of course Frank is just trying to stay relevant with his ramblings but there's some thought behind this one, as Fenway are big on anlytics and Kyle has quite the analytics team in Toronto. But what has the guy won? Nothing.

I hope Fenway have a good honest look at this team. It's tear down time. Complete. To the studs. Deal away anyone not named Crosby. Dumb deals given to your other aging two. No goalies. No defense. Not much second or third line presence. This is why front office just got shown the door. The devil's advocate to that would say "ya but look what Boston just did". Ok maybe, but they have way WAY more foundational pieces to build around--and get away with a re-tool rather than a rebuild.

Not a word from you all about Frank Serevelli talking out his ass about Kyle Dubas inline to be your next GM ? Of course Frank is just trying to stay relevant with his ramblings but there's some thought behind this one, as Fenway are big on anlytics and Kyle has quite the analytics team in Toronto. But what has the guy won? Nothing.
- Octavarium

Based on Malkin's play and production his fair market value was 9.2 mill for this past season....he was being paid 6.1 mill. Tanger missed 18 games but still had 12 goals all while still being able to log 25+ mins a night. His pay is below market value as well. So, your outsiders assessment of "dumb deals to the other aging two" is off. Where you're not wrong is the Boston comparison. Pens dont have enough quality depth pieces to fill in around those three and it will be really hard to do so with Petry at 6.25 and Grandlund at 5 mill with years left plus carter and his 3.25 mill next season. That's almost 15 million in bad cap usage. Of those 3, Petry is probably the most serviceable if he stays healthy he's just not 6.25 mill worthy. If he was around 3.5/4 mill it would be much more digestible.

There's 3 or 4 really bad contracts on the Pens that are most likely unmovable. If by some magic way they were moved, the Pens could fill in with some quality through free agency. I'm not holding my breath for such things, I dont think any of us are.

Also, lots of talk about Frank Serevelli and the Dubas comments, man(?)....that was last week and there's been a few blogs since.

PS: why do you, an Islanders fan, "hope Fenway have a good honest look at this team. It's tear down time. Complete. To the studs" ?

I think Adin Hill would be a good goalie to grab and shouldn’t cost more than Jarry. Also think a Raanta/Jarry combo could be decent
- drummer829

I want someone to give Arendelle a chance as a starter.

I hope Fenway have a good honest look at this team. It's tear down time. Complete. To the studs. Deal away anyone not named Crosby. Dumb deals given to your other aging two. No goalies. No defense. Not much second or third line presence. This is why front office just got shown the door. The devil's advocate to that would say "ya but look what Boston just did". Ok maybe, but they have way WAY more foundational pieces to build around--and get away with a re-tool rather than a rebuild.

Not a word from you all about Frank Serevelli talking out his ass about Kyle Dubas inline to be your next GM ? Of course Frank is just trying to stay relevant with his ramblings but there's some thought behind this one, as Fenway are big on anlytics and Kyle has quite the analytics team in Toronto. But what has the guy won? Nothing.
- Octavarium

Not much second or third line presence? lol Geno outscored your entire roster and had a better scoring rate than the injured Barzal. This post is awful haha.

Based on Malkin's play and production his fair market value was 9.2 mill for this past season....he was being paid 6.1 mill. Tanger missed 18 games but still had 12 goals all while still being able to log 25+ mins a night. His pay is below market value as well. So, your outsiders assessment of "dumb deals to the other aging two" is off. Where you're not wrong is the Boston comparison. Pens dont have enough quality depth pieces to fill in around those three and it will be really hard to do so with Petry at 6.25 and Grandlund at 5 mill with years left plus carter and his 3.25 mill next season. That's almost 15 million in bad cap usage. Of those 3, Petry is probably the most serviceable if he stays healthy he's just not 6.25 mill worthy. If he was around 3.5/4 mill it would be much more digestible.

There's 3 or 4 really bad contracts on the Pens that are most likely unmovable. If by some magic way they were moved, the Pens could fill in with some quality through free agency. I'm not holding my breath for such things, I dont think any of us are.

Also, lots of talk about Frank Serevelli and the Dubas comments, man(?)....that was last week and there's been a few blogs since.

PS: why do you, an Islanders fan, "hope Fenway have a good honest look at this team. It's tear down time. Complete. To the studs" ?
- MattStrat

Because he doesn't know how to give good honest looks himself.

Based on Malkin's play and production his fair market value was 9.2 mill for this past season....he was being paid 6.1 mill. Tanger missed 18 games but still had 12 goals all while still being able to log 25+ mins a night. His pay is below market value as well. So, your outsiders assessment of "dumb deals to the other aging two" is off. Where you're not wrong is the Boston comparison. Pens dont have enough quality depth pieces to fill in around those three and it will be really hard to do so with Petry at 6.25 and Grandlund at 5 mill with years left plus carter and his 3.25 mill next season. That's almost 15 million in bad cap usage. Of those 3, Petry is probably the most serviceable if he stays healthy he's just not 6.25 mill worthy. If he was around 3.5/4 mill it would be much more digestible.

There's 3 or 4 really bad contracts on the Pens that are most likely unmovable. If by some magic way they were moved, the Pens could fill in with some quality through free agency. I'm not holding my breath for such things, I dont think any of us are.

Also, lots of talk about Frank Serevelli and the Dubas comments, man(?)....that was last week and there's been a few blogs since.

PS: why do you, an Islanders fan, "hope Fenway have a good honest look at this team. It's tear down time. Complete. To the studs" ?
- MattStrat

Health issues aside, I thought that this was Letang's worst year yet. Horrible decisions with the puck, unwillingness to shoot on the PP, bad reads in general. Yes, he did record 12 goals, and did play just under 25 minutes per game, but I didn't think they were quality minutes.

Malkin and Crosby definitely earned their money, although Malkin needs to keep his PIM in check.

Also, Flyers suck.

I hope they do not resign Archibald, dumo, heinen. Who would take desmith's contract? Or do you bury him in the minors? Waive him? Zucker is in line for a payday. I hope the pens dont give it to him. Is there any way to unload granlund? petry? I am hopeful the kulikov and bonino experiments are over since they never really started.
- i'mjustafan

I would take CDS and possibly could be swayed to taking Petry with retention.

Because he doesn't know how to give good honest looks himself.
- j.boyd919

Maybe he just doesn't know how drywall works.

Health issues aside, I thought that this was Letang's worst year yet. Horrible decisions with the puck, unwillingness to shoot on the PP, bad reads in general. Yes, he did record 12 goals, and did play just under 25 minutes per game, but I didn't think they were quality minutes.

Malkin and Crosby definitely earned their money, although Malkin needs to keep his PIM in check.

Also, Flyers suck.
- jmatchett383

I agree with your assessment of Tanger for the most part. I did find most of that stuff much worse in 1st half of season though.

I love your team.
This isn't an Isles v Pens thing.
I didn't even bring up which team is still playing and which isn't.

This isn't the Isles year. Bad GM, Bad coach. Some dumb contracts given to dumb players ourselves.

Some big no moves given out to your mid level players is a concern as well.
Ricky Rakell...... realistically a 50 point guy...5 mil per for...well...way too long. By the time your re-tool or rebuild is done...he will be too.
Bryan Rust...another arguable overpay for a 50 point player on the wrong end of his career.
Zucker.....your GM might have considered throwing in the towel on the season to see if he'd accept a trade. He would have been a tradeable asset. But now, whoever is the new gm will almost certainly see it as a necessity to re-sign or else look weak letting him walk (which you should do_

Mikeael Granlund. Damn you love these 50 point guys...and giving them lots of money and term.
The good news about the bottom of your roster is that it's all pretty much off the books shortly.

Finally the big three of Crosby Malkin and Guentzel. Given your team's identity you certainly can't trade any of them. Seems preposterous to start a rebuild with Sid and Gino. But ya. that's what I'm suggesting.

You've all discussed the goaltending add nauseum. The defense is strangely constructed and patchwork-y.

The hardest part about any team facing what the Pens are facing is to be critically objective. Is this group a legit power house team that can make the play offs and make a run? Does it have the core and prospects to do so even in FIVE years?

I love your team.
This isn't an Isles v Pens thing.
I didn't even bring up which team is still playing and which isn't.

This isn't the Isles year. Bad GM, Bad coach. Some dumb contracts given to dumb players ourselves.

Some big no moves given out to your mid level players is a concern as well.
Ricky Rakell...... realistically a 50 point guy...5 mil per for...well...way too long. By the time your re-tool or rebuild is done...he will be too.
Bryan Rust...another arguable overpay for a 50 point player on the wrong end of his career.
Zucker.....your GM might have considered throwing in the towel on the season to see if he'd accept a trade. He would have been a tradeable asset. But now, whoever is the new gm will almost certainly see it as a necessity to re-sign or else look weak letting him walk (which you should do_

Mikeael Granlund. Damn you love these 50 point guys...and giving them lots of money and term.
The good news about the bottom of your roster is that it's all pretty much off the books shortly.

Finally the big three of Crosby Malkin and Guentzel. Given your team's identity you certainly can't trade any of them. Seems preposterous to start a rebuild with Sid and Gino. But ya. that's what I'm suggesting.

You've all discussed the goaltending add nauseum. The defense is strangely constructed and patchwork-y.

The hardest part about any team facing what the Pens are facing is to be critically objective. Is this group a legit power house team that can make the play offs and make a run? Does it have the core and prospects to do so even in FIVE years?
- Octavarium

My suggestion: read more, post less.

I love your team.
This isn't an Isles v Pens thing.
I didn't even bring up which team is still playing and which isn't.

This isn't the Isles year. Bad GM, Bad coach. Some dumb contracts given to dumb players ourselves.

Some big no moves given out to your mid level players is a concern as well.
Ricky Rakell...... realistically a 50 point guy...5 mil per for...well...way too long. By the time your re-tool or rebuild is done...he will be too.
Bryan Rust...another arguable overpay for a 50 point player on the wrong end of his career.
Zucker.....your GM might have considered throwing in the towel on the season to see if he'd accept a trade. He would have been a tradeable asset. But now, whoever is the new gm will almost certainly see it as a necessity to re-sign or else look weak letting him walk (which you should do_

Mikeael Granlund. Damn you love these 50 point guys...and giving them lots of money and term.
The good news about the bottom of your roster is that it's all pretty much off the books shortly.

Finally the big three of Crosby Malkin and Guentzel. Given your team's identity you certainly can't trade any of them. Seems preposterous to start a rebuild with Sid and Gino. But ya. that's what I'm suggesting.

You've all discussed the goaltending add nauseum. The defense is strangely constructed and patchwork-y.

The hardest part about any team facing what the Pens are facing is to be critically objective. Is this group a legit power house team that can make the play offs and make a run? Does it have the core and prospects to do so even in FIVE years?
- Octavarium

You must be new around here.

Fine.
Be a bunch of homers then.
It's all good.

Chicago did what your GM and ownership group couldn't.

Fine.
Be a bunch of homers then.
It's all good.

Chicago did what your GM and ownership group couldn't.
- Octavarium

Covered up a sexual assault?