Many teams that rebuild don’t succeed so it goes with retools as well. Doesn’t mean anything wrong with either method.
- Quinn's Quest

There have only been 12 different Stanley cup winners over the past 23 years.

Yzerman realizing his team has nowhere near enough talent is going to continue to rebuild.

Benning should have stuck a little closer to his so called plan instead of getting caught up in the situations of other GM's and probably drafted a play maker instead of just goal scorers.

There have only been 12 different Stanley cup winners over the past 23 years.

Yzerman realizing his team has nowhere near enough talent is going to continue to rebuild.

Benning should have stuck a little closer to his so called plan instead of getting caught up in the situations of other GM's and probably drafted a play maker instead of just goal scorers.
- manvanfan

The fans just have to hope the new management group has "a plan" instead of just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks like Benning did. I guess you could say that's an actual plan, but not a very good one.

This new group drafted three defencemen and one goaltender out of their six allotted picks last draft, lets just hope they hang onto all their picks this draft and make better choices than previous "people".

The fans just have to hope the new management group has "a plan" instead of just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks like Benning did. I guess you could say that's an actual plan, but not a very good one.

This new group drafted three defencemen and one goaltender out of their six allotted picks last draft, lets just hope they hang onto all their picks this draft and make better choices than previous "people".
- LeftCoaster

Benning had a plan but when "things" came up, he took advantage of it. Not always for the betterment of the team.

Not really much different than when Yzerman remembered Pitt wanted Hronek years ago and Van had an extra 1st and a 2nd to still give away. Management very ok with the trade because he fit.

I'd hope that management still plans on using their development team. Even Abbotsford is a pretty young team compared to many others.

Benning had a plan but when "things" came up, he took advantage of it. Not always for the betterment of the team.

Not really much different than when Yzerman remembered Pitt wanted Hronek years ago and Van had an extra 1st and a 2nd to still give away. Management very ok with the trade because he fit.

I'd hope that management still plans on using their development team. Even Abbotsford is a pretty young team compared to many others.
- manvanfan

I’m excited for the draft, I’m hoping they can recoup a second round pick by trading some undesirables.

There have only been 12 different Stanley cup winners over the past 23 years.

Yzerman realizing his team has nowhere near enough talent is going to continue to rebuild.

Benning should have stuck a little closer to his so called plan instead of getting caught up in the situations of other GM's and probably drafted a play maker instead of just goal scorers.
- manvanfan

The cup has become an exclusive award for US teams.

There have only been 12 different Stanley cup winners over the past 23 years.

Yzerman realizing his team has nowhere near enough talent is going to continue to rebuild.

Benning should have stuck a little closer to his so called plan instead of getting caught up in the situations of other GM's and probably drafted a play maker instead of just goal scorers.
- manvanfan

That is pretty much it there that few succeed no matter the plan. To dump on one or the other is stupid.

Benning had a plan but when "things" came up, he took advantage of it. Not always for the betterment of the team.

Not really much different than when Yzerman remembered Pitt wanted Hronek years ago and Van had an extra 1st and a 2nd to still give away. Management very ok with the trade because he fit.

I'd hope that management still plans on using their development team. Even Abbotsford is a pretty young team compared to many others.
- manvanfan

Most of the development is for bottom role players. It’s sad there is only one top talent and he’s not considered a need for the team.

Yup, retooling is the way to go if people are happy with another decade of futility especially since this new regime is proving to be just as inept as the previous regime. Losers cheer for losers.

There’s been seventeen Cups handed out since the 2005 lockout, which implemented the salary cap, of those seventeen Cups handed out, eleven different teams have won it. But. The teams that have won the majority of them, Pittsburgh, Tampa & Chicago won eight of those, share one thing in common, first overall picks and excellent drafting. Colorado and Washington also share those things. I think the only team without a top three pick was Detroit in 2008, but they were a holdover with a lot of future Hall of Famers on that team.

2022 Colorado Avalanche (3rd)
2021 Tampa Bay Lightning (3rd)
2020 Tampa Bay Lightning (2nd)
2019 St. Louis Blues
2018 Washington Capitals
2017 Pittsburgh Penguins (5th)
2016 Pittsburgh Penguins (4th)
2015 Chicago Blackhawks (6th)
2014 Los Angeles Kings (2nd)
2013 Chicago Blackhawks (5th)
2012 Los Angeles Kings
2011 Boston Bruins (6th)
2010 Chicago Blackhawks (4th)
2009 Pittsburgh Penguins (3rd)
2008 Detroit Red Wings (11th)
2007 Anaheim Ducks
2006 Carolina Hurricanes

There’s been seventeen Cups handed out since the 2005 lockout, which implemented the salary cap, of those seventeen Cups handed out, eleven different teams have won it. But. The teams that have won the majority of them, Pittsburgh, Tampa & Chicago won eight of those, share one thing in common, first overall picks and excellent drafting. Colorado and Washington also share those things. I think the only team without a top three pick was Detroit in 2008, but they were a holdover with a lot of future Hall of Famers on that team.

2022 Colorado Avalanche (3rd)
2021 Tampa Bay Lightning (3rd)
2020 Tampa Bay Lightning (2nd)
2019 St. Louis Blues
2018 Washington Capitals
2017 Pittsburgh Penguins (5th)
2016 Pittsburgh Penguins (4th)
2015 Chicago Blackhawks (6th)
2014 Los Angeles Kings (2nd)
2013 Chicago Blackhawks (5th)
2012 Los Angeles Kings
2011 Boston Bruins (6th)
2010 Chicago Blackhawks (4th)
2009 Pittsburgh Penguins (3rd)
2008 Detroit Red Wings (11th)
2007 Anaheim Ducks
2006 Carolina Hurricanes
- LeftCoaster

LA is also trending in the right direction.

LA is also trending in the right direction.
- VanHockeyGuy

They have a real need for scoring. Similar to Carolina. Great Regular season but have a hard time scoring in the playoffs.

I’m excited for the draft, I’m hoping they can recoup a second round pick by trading some undesirables.
- LeftCoaster

I would like a 2nd round pick as well. I don't have a problem trading up into the 2nd from a 3rd and 4th round pick though.

Most of the development is for bottom role players. It’s sad there is only one top talent and he’s not considered a need for the team.
- Quinn's Quest

That's right. Doesn't mean that one won't come out of nowhere

Have to be able to draft the right type of players from time to time though.

They have a real need for scoring. Similar to Carolina. Great Regular season but have a hard time scoring in the playoffs.
- manvanfan

And they both have good D, either one would be a good trade partner. I haven't looked at the C's but I'm sure there's depth there as well.

LA is also trending in the right direction.
- VanHockeyGuy

The organizations that are willing to go through a rebuild are the ones who are finding success. That being said, the Canucks did go through an unintentional rebuild but their drafting outside of a few kids in the first round has been awful. They just don’t make enough picks and they don’t hit on enough kids past the first round.

Even if you go back to the Bruins win in 2011 and look at their roster, Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci and Marchand were all second round picks. Also, look at the depth Chicago, Tampa and Los Angeles built from depth drafting. If you don’t draft well you don’t win/

The organizations that are willing to go through a rebuild are the ones who are finding success. That being said, the Canucks did go through an unintentional rebuild but their drafting outside of a few kids in the first round has been awful. They just don’t make enough picks and they don’t hit on enough kids past the first round.

Even if you go back to the Bruins win in 2011 and look at their roster, Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci and Marchand were all second round picks. Also, look at the depth Chicago, Tampa and Los Angeles built from depth drafting. If you don’t draft well you don’t win/
- LeftCoaster

I beg to differ, you're not rebuilding when trading 1st round picks and handing out 2nds like door prizes.

And they both have good D, either one would be a good trade partner. I haven't looked at the C's but I'm sure there's depth there as well.
- VanHockeyGuy

Carolina system is pretty overrated I'd say. Los Angeles system is supposed to have a lot of top end talented scoring and it's failed to show up on the team.

Since 2014, Adrian Kempe is the only King draftee that has cracked 100 points. Even Van has 6 in that time to crack 100 points.

Pouty doesn't sound like he has long term plans with Vancouver.
Will probably see a NHLPA grievance filed against Vancouver for pooching Pearson's hand.
A first class organization .

I beg to differ, you're not rebuilding when trading 1st round picks and handing out 2nds like door prizes.
- Marwood

That’s why I say it was unintentional, it wasn’t done with a purpose, yes they got a few good top-end first round picks but they also didn’t stockpile picks. Benning had no idea what he was doing other than trying to be competitive, while spending to the cap, for ownership.

Other than Thatcher Demko you have to go all the way back to 2004 to find a player who made a significant impact to either the organization or the NHL, for a Canucks draft pick made past the first round. Edler and Hansen. How pathetic is that when it comes to drafting. That was 17 years ago.

The organizations that are willing to go through a rebuild are the ones who are finding success. That being said, the Canucks did go through an unintentional rebuild but their drafting outside of a few kids in the first round has been awful. They just don’t make enough picks and they don’t hit on enough kids past the first round.

Even if you go back to the Bruins win in 2011 and look at their roster, Bergeron, Lucic, Krejci and Marchand were all second round picks. Also, look at the depth Chicago, Tampa and Los Angeles built from depth drafting. If you don’t draft well you don’t win/
- LeftCoaster

Well that seems to be a problem!

Carolina system is pretty overrated I'd say. Los Angeles system is supposed to have a lot of top end talented scoring and it's failed to show up on the team.

Since 2014, Adrian Kempe is the only King draftee that has cracked 100 points. Even Van has 6 in that time to crack 100 points.
- manvanfan

The Kings don’t win with high point producers, they win with structured play, defense and goaltending. When they won in 2012 their top scorer was Kopitar with 76 points, the next highest guy was Williams with 59. The same in 2014 when they won, Kopitar with 70 points, Jeff Carter with 50.

That’s why I say it was unintentional, it wasn’t done with a purpose, yes they got a few good top-end first round picks but they also didn’t stockpile picks. Benning had no idea what he was doing other than trying to be competitive, while spending to the cap, for ownership.

Other than Thatcher Demko you have to go all the way back to 2004 to find a player who made a significant impact to either the organization or the NHL, for a Canucks draft pick made past the first round. Edler and Hansen. How pathetic is that when it comes to drafting. That was 17 years ago.
- LeftCoaster

Why I'm perplexed Ron Delorme is still with the organization.

Well that seems to be a problem!
- VanHockeyGuy

Absolutely, and the trend continues. See my post above yours.

The Kings don’t win with high point producers, they win with structured play, defense and goaltending. When they won in 2012 their top scorer was Kopitar with 76 points, the next highest guy was Williams with 59. The same in 2014 when they won, Kopitar with 70 points, Jeff Carter with 50.
- LeftCoaster

Man, Quick was amazing for them. Some of the best playoff Goaltending ever on that first run.

Well that seems to be a problem!
- VanHockeyGuy

This would have been the year to stockpile 2nd rounders. Many good D in there it's deep.